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Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/13/2005 9:24:03 AM   
subversiveone


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Does Anyone have a questionnaire that is designed to use during negotiations? Something outside of the standard hard limit sexual questions? Something formal that a Master might find suitably 'probing' and deliberate? ~wicked evil grin~
The reason i ask is that my 'gray areas' are those outside of a sexual scene. It's so hard to say what you like/dislike about the day to day when you haven't lived it in years. This is all just an attempt to begin our communications. i realize that no one can outline every scenario and that just takes away the 'fun' of a newfound relationship ;) im looking for graduated questions about punishment, areas of control, methods of training that one might prefer over another please.
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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/13/2005 10:01:07 AM   
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I really don't like questionnaires.

[questionnaire rant]
There are a variety of survey forms circulating on the web and in the community. One of them has 128 rules that a submissive is supposed to review and decide which might apply to her, the extent to which they might apply, and whether they need to be modified. Other surveys ask detailed questions about preferences, likes, dislikes and limits.

The advantage to these forms is that they can be quite comprehensive, covering a variety of choices of which novice submissives or Dominants might not even be aware. Since anything that fosters discussion and communication is generally viewed as "good", many people believe these "instruments" to be of value. The drawbacks, however, outweigh the advantages.

First, the instruments represent a shotgun approach to Dominance. Rather than exploring information and honing in on each other's needs and wants, the instruments force discussions into the broadest possible areas. How is a new submissive to feel when she is confronted with a list of 128 rules she might obey, many of which she is probably unfamiliar with? No matter how good her intentions, it would be difficult not to feel overwhelmed and inadequate.

Next, let's say she DOES sign up for some of the rules, completing the document in good faith. She signs up for some rules because they look easy, some rules because they sound erotic or stimulating for her, and some others because she thinks they'll please him. Is the Dominant, now in possession of this list of agreed upon rules, now obligated to enforce them all? What if the rules she picked to please him don't particularly float his boat? Is he stuck enforcing a bunch of rules to satisfy her best guesses of what she thought would please him?

Certainly, one could say that the purpose of the instrument is to foster communication, and the example I've just generated would certainly create a lot of discussion. But wouldn't it have been easier in the first place for the people involved to simply meet and discuss expectations and preferences? Moreover, if the submissive is to go over a list of "rules", and decide which she is to obey and which she can dismiss - who is really in control? It's nothing more than forcing the submissive to top from the bottom.

We also object to these instruments because they are unfair. They place by far the greatest burden of disclosure on the submissive: she has to reveal the most intimate details of her every fantasy, her every desire while the Dominant has nothing to do but judge her responses. Certainly, we hope that all relationships will provide a healthy place for disclosure and acceptance - but the way to get there isn't to request complete disclosure through an impersonal form generated by someone else for someone else.

The instruments short-circuit an important part of the trust building process: negotiation. Going through items of mutual interest in a conversation allows each person to bring up and respond to salient points. Each person then has the ability to understand the priorities of the other, and observe reactions, and measure consistency of responses around sensitive topics. Having someone fill out a form opens the door to miscommunication: one person might think an issue is addressed because it was contained in the form; another might not have fully or carefully considered the response in the form because some of the other 127 items on the list were of greater importance to them.

Finally, we object to the forms because of the way we have seen them used in practice. Too often, a submissive is given one of these forms to fill out, and in her (usually novice's) eagerness to explore, she puts long hours into her response. The Dominant can then take the information, use it to manipulate the submissive, use the submissive herself, and then discard her.

No one circulating or posting these surveys/questionnaires suggests that they be taken in a vacuum. Appropriately, they all suggest that the survey is to be used in concert with other forms of communication. My view, however, is that these forms impede communications by muddling and mis-prioritizing the issues.
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Formally yours,
Rex

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/13/2005 10:46:56 AM   
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Rex, excellent rant! i totally see where You are coming from.
please allow me to clarify my thoughts as well...

Quote: How is a new submissive to feel when she is confronted with a list of 128 rules she might obey, many of which she is probably unfamiliar with?
been in the lifestyle for many years off and on and the only unfamiliarity i come across is how i would really and truly react if put in that position as im not a mind reader and as You said, can't operate in a vacuum....not above researching it if it's some new contraption but im focusing more on my desires for day to day control right now. And im not looking for concrete "what would you do if faced w/xyz" more like "how interested are you in xyz and/or what are your opinions"


Quote: Is the Dominant, now in possession of this list of agreed upon rules, now obligated to enforce them all? What if the rules she picked to please him don't particularly float his boat? Is he stuck enforcing a bunch of rules to satisfy her best guesses of what she thought would please him?
oh no! not at all Sir... not a contract, nothing like that.. just a questionnaire as an introduction, an ice breaker if You will


Quote: But wouldn't it have been easier in the first place for the people involved to simply meet and discuss expectations and preferences? Moreover, if the submissive is to go over a list of "rules", and decide which she is to obey and which she can dismiss - who is really in control?
again, not rules at all... as far as the ease of such a conversation...well-imagine that You are a submissive who is wanting to combine both her desires and His, show her submissiveness as well as self control, give raw honest answers without being judged unfairly, too harshly, or abruptly and come across as a respectful upfront human being! just as hard as Your side of the coin with all of the same misconceptions! anything i can do to alleviate some of this miscommunication, uncomfortability and pretense stemming from preconceived notions im eager to do ;)

Quote: Finally, we object to the forms because of the way we have seen them used in practice. Too often, a submissive is given one of these forms to fill out, and in her (usually novice's) eagerness to explore, she puts long hours into her response. The Dominant can then take the information, use it to manipulate the submissive, use the submissive herself, and then discard her.
hmmmm.... the Dom can also take that same information from conversation, use it to manipulate, discard, abuse, etc etc right? if they are to have that info and they have that intention, a piece of paper is only making it a little more 'neat' and tidy- not necc. facilitating something that wouldn't have happened otherwise. IMO

so, all that being said, it's fun! it's light! it's deep! it's simple! it's complex! it's whatever You want it to be and for whatever end You use it for... all im looking for are some creative thoughtful questions to help me and my new friend craft our own version for our own purposes... and then i'll hide the bodies later ;)

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/14/2005 12:52:42 AM   
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Gentlemen - you both have good points. I myself have been a Master for over 20 years and I don't use a printed form Questionaire either. I find it far too intimidating for the sub/slave to fill out and takes far too much time away from what is important - i.e. learning about each others needs and desires. I do ask plenty of questions and give plenty of data about My expectations for the perceived relationship, discuss limits - soft and hard - and if the lady is new and has no idea of her limits, I set some low level reasonable ones to help her find her niche.
Both of your answers/questions were well thought out and reflect I think a better level of understanding than I have seen in - regretably - all too many of the younger dom's out there these days, and also - too many newbie subs are taken in by these sweetalkers - many of whom I hear from subs about later on. Many are described as assholes, jerks, abusive men seeking to beat up women and then fuck them and leave them. I have found Myself in a losing battle too many times trying to correct these notions, and wonder if you both are also trying to help the younger Dom's you encounter to learn the "old ways' of the Lifestyle which contributed and continue to contribute to it's Mystique. On this site, I am known as Tower, but in the Lifestyle I am well known by another name. I only recently joined this site so that I could seek a submissive miss without all the fanfare and hangers-on that tend to sometimes cluster around me when I show up at Lifestyle events.

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/14/2005 6:37:25 AM   
Kiaban


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Here is my questionnaire:
1. can you fog a mirror
2.are you available

Ok just kidding on that, I used to use them but found its simply better to just chat and get to know someone you find out alot more about the reason they feel a certain way than just "rating" an activity.

Kiaban

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/14/2005 8:28:50 AM   
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Let me first say that I am new to the discussion boards as well as the community, so I'm trying to gain as much knowledge through the insight of others that have been in the community for a longer period of time.

I've seen this questionnaire list that was described, and as Rex pointed out, it is quite comprehensive. I too was looking for some type of questionnaire that might help guide me through some of the different activities, likes/dislikes that may be open to discussion. The list seemed endless, and as a novice, it seemed quite overwhelming. There is the old saying...be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

I really appreciate the input (rant) that Rex gives about questionnaires, and your opinion was very thoroughly conveyed. I suppose I just needed to say that your willingness to put your two cents in about this topic has been very beneficial for me. I hope this reply is on topic and appropriate. I'm brand new to the site and boards. Thanks

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/14/2005 8:44:51 AM   
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you should search the net, but more importantly, search yourself honestly and develop your questions... take your time to develop your own questions.

After all, all of those generic questionaires were questions that started somewhere.

X

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/14/2005 9:30:24 AM   
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quote:

...im not looking for concrete "what would you do if faced w/xyz" more like "how interested are you in xyz and/or what are your opinions"

...a questionnaire as an introduction, an ice breaker if You will

...anything i can do to alleviate some of this miscommunication, uncomfortability and pretense stemming from preconceived notions im eager to do

...so, all that being said, it's fun! it's light! it's deep! it's simple! it's complex! it's whatever You want it to be and for whatever end You use it for... all im looking for are some creative thoughtful questions to help me and my new friend craft our own version for our own purposes... and then i'll hide the bodies later ;)

The essence of what you're saying is that the survey is just to spark conversation, and that you're a grown-up and can take care of yourself.

Even if surveys can provide "fodder," other sources work better. There are countless D/s & BDSM web sites with plenty of ideas to refer to. Moreover, these sites often contain detailed information on a topic, helping to make susequent conversations more realistic, focused, and productive. Subscribing to discussion lists can also work, or attending live events. You'll find more genuine material by attending http://www.thunderinthemountains.com/ than you will in a month online.

quote:

...the Dom can also take that same information from conversation, use it to manipulate, discard, abuse, etc etc right? if they are to have that info and they have that intention, a piece of paper is only making it a little more 'neat' and tidy- not necc. facilitating something that wouldn't have happened otherwise.


Based on what I'm reading, the "user" Dom scenario doesn't apply to your situation. However, I was on a rant and therefore not required to limit my remarks to your question. :) That being said, however, surveys do make it easier for lazy Doms to take advantage of novice submissives, and that remains one reason I continue to generally oppose them as a tool for creating a relationship with a solid foundation.

Rantfully yours,
Rex

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/14/2005 12:12:56 PM   
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Minxy and I didn't use the questionnaire approach. I asked her right off about two critical things: Was she willing to relocate (with assistance) to my place? Check. Was she willing to be in a totally monogamous relationship with no possibility of multiple partners? Check. But on that one, I made it clear to her that I pretty much never say 'never', so the possibility was not completely out of the question. With that out of the way, we proceeded to get to know each other and, in the course of our interaction we have learned in great detail of each others kinks, fetishes, and fantasies. It's very cool...we share our fantasies with each other, then figure out ways to somehow make them come true...talk about fun! We also talked about the things we are expressly not interested in, such as extreme sadism, fisting, golden showers, etc. I thought she would be a perfect match for me and our time together has confirmed that.

So, for us the process of setting limits and boundaries has been a natural, smoothly integrated part of how we relate to each other.

Bob

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/15/2005 7:11:12 PM   
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Yes I have a questionnaire

1. Do you like chocolate?

2. What is your favorite flower? Out of the two is it Roses are Dasies that you perfer?

3. Do you include meat in your diet or are you a vegitarian/vegan?

4. What is your favorite color?

5. Who is your favorite Whinne the Pooh character?

This questionair explains to me just about everything I need to know about a person and how we would get a long as friends and if a relationship is possible. It has also linked me with my lucious pet.

NEXT!

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/15/2005 9:31:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Yes I have a questionnaire

1. Do you like chocolate?

2. What is your favorite flower? Out of the two is it Roses are Dasies that you perfer?

3. Do you include meat in your diet or are you a vegitarian/vegan?

4. What is your favorite color?

5. Who is your favorite Whinne the Pooh character?

This questionair explains to me just about everything I need to know about a person and how we would get a long as friends and if a relationship is possible. It has also linked me with my lucious pet.

NEXT!


I like that one!

When Master and I met online we filled out a simple questionnaire mainly to do with sexual experience and likes/dislikes from a MSN BDSM site, which helped us to get to know what was expected by Him and desired to be experienced by me. I was totally new to BDSM and not very experienced sexually into the bargain! Questionnaires are all well and good as a starting point for negotiations but when they start getting too complicated (128 questions, good lord!) I think it can get way too confusing especially for a newbie

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/16/2005 7:45:56 PM   
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I have a questionnaire that's quite extensive and has very few "rate this fetish" questions. Most are essay. I've been told it takes 3-6 hours to complete. It's a word document that you can find here:

http://mistressfirebdsm.com/Questionnaire.doc

Fire

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/17/2005 1:16:17 AM   
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Why don't you make your own questionaire?

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/17/2005 1:19:10 AM   
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sorry MF70, I am useless for *replying* to the wrong person.

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RE: Do You have a Questionnaire? - 5/22/2005 9:23:22 PM   
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Sit down and make your OWN up..

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