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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 6/12/2005 9:39:10 AM   
RiotGirl


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I have known GM on AOL for literally years and have spoken to him and several of his ladies


Are you telling me this is GM and his ?? Good God, though i've never known him personally (atleast i dont think) i've spoken to him off and on over the years. Did he have a website? Cos i went to a website where there was a story of a lady who was meeting "doggie" and others as well as the Dom

EDITED add - wow this whole story really touched me. It never dawned on me how much trust our Dom/mes, tops Master and Mistresses give us. LOLOLOL i'm gonna go write my own "disclamier" So nothing could EVER go wrong like this!

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 9/8/2005 1:51:44 PM   
meesekite


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Hello...
I just found this list...and have been reading it with GREAT interest.
I know Glenn Marcus personally, and have been a friend of his for years. I can say with 100% certainty that informed consent has always been one of his highest priorities in his BDSM relations; I know that because I have been involved with Mr Marcus in a BDSM relationship since 2003.

I am not involved (thus far) in his legal issues. I maintain that he acted with full consent, and has been a loyal friend as well.

Anyone who wishes to contact me may do [email protected]
Sincerely,
meesekite

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 9/8/2005 8:53:14 PM   
FLButtSlut


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The legal aspects become so broad in a case like this it is mindboggling. But the profile of "doggie" said it all in one sentence..."Once I stopped consenting, he needed to let me go... he did not, unfortunately." Anything that occurred after she removed consent was, obviously, not consensual.

Slave contracts are a nice ritualistic symbol, nothing more. The statement I have seen in so many that "this contract is legal and binding" to me is laughable, because I work in the legal community and know something about it. It also is frightening to me because there are many people who would NOT know that the statement is false and an unscrupulous "master" could make them believe that the contract will stand up in Court. Incidentally, the inclusion of that statement alone could cause more damage than it is worth. The Court could easily view that statement as a type of fraud perpetrated on the slave (or the master, if the situation called for that), and cause even MORE trouble.

I believe the statements here that GM was always very "up front" about his expectations, but the bottom line is that once someone says "I don't want to do that", "Stop", "I want to leave", you are taking a big risk if you don't listen. Certainly at times those statements can be part of "play" but only a Master/slave couple who really knows each other can honestly understand the difference. It does sound as though GM may not have always taken that kind of time with his slaves. Regardless, removal of consent is removal of consent and anything following that becomes a felony in the US (honestly have no idea what they may call it in other countries).

As for the "rescue" group that offered help, they may or may not be called to testify for the defendant, although I'm sure that they will be questioned by both sides if the attorneys are on the ball.

The pictures are yet another legal issue. Did the subjects of the photographs sign releases to have their pictures posted? Was the release for specific pictures or any pictures of any period of time. While "owning" someone may be a nice concept, and even satisfying and fufilling to many here, it is really a concept because it is not legal (and sorry AnnaB, it never will be again) to own someone. It only works while there is consent. Therefore, an "owner" cannot post the pictures legally without a signed release. From one story I read that he put up more explicit photos after she left. Depending on the release signed (although I doubt there was one), those photos could have been placed illegally.

It just goes on and on, apparently for 8 pages of charges. The 8 pages could amount to 8 separate charges, or 80 depending on how they are written. GM has a long road ahead of him for sure.

I am very pro-active about prosecuting those who hold their slave/sub against their will, however, I don't think that it is fair to charge someone for abuse that occured DURING the time of consent. Although technically in the eyes of the law, it is still abuse, you did consent. Of course, there is also the issue of whether or not someone who will consent to slavery has the capacity to do so. Before anyone starts bashing me for that, I am talking from a legal standpoint, obviously, because I consent to things many would think is nuts too. The point is that if I were HER attorney, I would certainly be looking at "diminished capacity" or "mental incompetance" in a civil suit. Doesn't do a thing for projecting a positive image of bdsm to the rest of the world, but it would help to sway a jury in a civil suit, for sure.

Bottom line is that participating in this life has very real risks, and if one is not careful, there are very serious consequences. Whether it is a "scorned woman" getting back at a master who p*ssed her off, or someone getting killed by a pyscho or just someone who doesn't know what they are doing. No one should just jump into something because it meets their fantasy of the moment without giving a lot of thought and communication with the person they plan to jump with (or is that on?)

This is something people should take sides on, but something everyone should learn from. Guilty or innocent, the same thing could happen to anyone here if things suddenly go wrong.

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 9/13/2005 3:05:36 AM   
sweetpettjenny


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This person is from Aol. Ive talked many times to him. He actually wanted me to submit to him. He is a known sadist , and never lied to me as to what he liked or what he enjoyed doing , unfortunately his sub/slave got a tad spiteful it looks like. From what i know of him , he was always upfront about what he likes and does.
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Here you go, this is the type of publicity that our lifestyle usually gets. After four years a couple of woman decided to "safe-word" to the police. Doubt the true story will ever come out.

From the story...
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Glenn Marcus, 52, is facing life in prison if convicted of the heinous acts he allegedly inflicted upon a woman when she tried to escape his sick world.

His lawyer Millie Whalen argued there is nothing illegal about a "voluntary sadomasochistic relationship," and questioned why it took four years for the woman, who has not been identified, to step forward.

The alleged crimes occurred between 1997 and 2001 when at least two women agreed to enter into a "dominance and submission relationship" with Marcus in which he played the role of "master" and the women his "slaves," according to the affidavit.


Entire Article: http://nydailynews.com/front/story/309203p-264454c.html


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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 9/14/2005 3:36:02 AM   
collarmee


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From the story...
quote:

Glenn Marcus, 52, is facing life in prison if convicted of the heinous acts he allegedly inflicted ...

His lawyer Millie Whalen argued there is nothing illegal about a "voluntary sadomasochistic relationship..."



Whatever about US law, English law is that consent is not a defence. This was established in 1994 by a judgment of the House of Lords which split 3:2 over the matter. The matter was then taken to the European Court of Human Rights which upheld the British decision. It should be noted that European Human Rights legislation generally gives Europeans more personal freedoms than those accorded in the US. See http://www.worldlii.org/eu/cases/ECHR/1997/4.html

collarmee

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 9/14/2005 4:29:33 AM   
JohnWarren


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quote:

ORIGINAL: collarmee

Whatever about US law, English law is that consent is not a defence. This was established in 1994 by a judgment of the House of Lords which split 3:2 over the matter. The matter was then taken to the European Court of Human Rights which upheld the British decision. It should be noted that European Human Rights legislation generally gives Europeans more personal freedoms than those accorded in the US. See http://www.worldlii.org/eu/cases/ECHR/1997/4.html


This topic in US law is left to the individual states. For example, NY does have a consent exemption (it also allows "nonsexual" professional domination. On the other hand, Massachusetts specifically rules out a consent defense. Some of this law is from legislative action but more often it is based on appelate court decisions.

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 10/30/2005 9:53:42 PM   
meesekite


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If anyone has information regarding Glenn Marcus relevant to his legal situation please call his attorneys Maurice Sercarz or Julia Gatto at the law firm of Sercarz and Riopelle at 1-212-586-4900



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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 11/2/2005 10:27:07 PM   
curvyslavegirl


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I remember GM from my aol days and also was close with SlaveTamara who has now moved on from him.
He was one of those people that I thought always pushed lines that he shouldn't push and never went to him for that reason. With Tam I had concerns over ALOT of things he was doing to her and I honestly think that it mentally fucked with her in a major way but when she did decide to leave him he didn't stop her.
I personally would never go with a man who would lock me in a cage and starve me for a week then force feed and weight me, but thats just me.

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 11/3/2005 2:37:53 PM   
lonewolf05


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i find this weird that it is ALWAYS seeming to be JUST the female subs....

has anyone EVER heard of a court case with a male sub?

i haven't YET.

thanks
wolf

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 11/3/2005 8:57:43 PM   
curvyslavegirl


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Female subs tend to be much more media friendly.
Its the "poor girl factor"
Yes its a wrong assumption, but its the one that makes mainstream society tune in and watch.
I would bet that male sub cases exist but don't get sensationalized as much.

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 11/13/2005 5:52:24 PM   
HeavenlyCeleste


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Cases like these spring up all over the place any more. How very sad it all is. These are screaming examples of why contracts are so terribly important! Remember to always protect yourself no matter what position you hold!

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RE: "Voluntary Sadomasochistic Relationship," - 11/14/2005 3:33:53 AM   
slavejali


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What is He being actually charged with to face life imprisonment?

This story has shocked me and scared me, yet i have witnessed in my own life how people so close to you can just turn around and do the most horrible things(and im talking about the slave turning on her Master). It's a sad world we live in.

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