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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/19/2007 9:45:16 PM   
Real0ne


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This coming from the man who single handedly created the problems we have with radical Islamic fascism.


What about the other 1300 years?

Osama Bin Ladin attacked the World Trade Center towers on 9/11/2001.

WHO TRAINED HIM IN TERRORIST TACTICS?





people do not understand the rules....  once in the cia always in the cia, exactly like working for the mafia.

No problems catching hussein, but that sneaky bastard OBL always just seems to sneak under the radar damn it!  DUH!   LOLOL

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/19/2007 9:48:03 PM   
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Sanity stop with the slams.  Give some rationale as to why you found him to be that rather than just personal opinion  i think he has done a great job as an elder statesman.

Please - i am saying to all give someone facts as to why to disagree rather than just a personal slam.  i can only respect a person who gives an opinion with facts rather than continually trying to attack another as i tried to stand up for you.

minnetar


Call your wimpy little ex-President off of his low-life attacks on our current sitting President, President Bush, and then I might think about it. Sound fair enough? Until then, that doddering old fool is fair game.


Sanity,
Bush has tried to abuse every law.  He has made wiretaps legal.  Infringements on personal rights.  Bush has basically said he is above the law.  i don't believe any other president has tried to invoke those rights.  Look at the latest mess with Gonzales try to strong arm others.  Those are facts.  If you want to deride another, don't speak in generalities but specifics.  As i said i tried to defend you.  If we want to attack another group, it isn't personal it is based on certain beliefs and we can expound on them

minnetar



none of that matters when you are loyal to party lines LOL


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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/19/2007 9:51:05 PM   
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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/19/2007 10:26:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, Carter was a boob.

Admiral Rickover choosing Carter to be one of the first command officers on nuclear subs? Must have been some sort of mistake.

Running and expanding a peanut farm in the deep south in the 50's and 60's? Must have been luck all the way.

His inaugural speech as Governor of Georgia in 1971 declaring that the time of segregation was at an end, the first elected official in the South to say such a thing in public. Must have been a somebody else.

Sadat and Begin? They were obviously eager for peace, Carter likely slowed the process down.

The Iranians using the hostages to undermine Carter's reelection and holding the hostages until moments after he left office? It couldn't have been to prevent any more progress on Mid East peace. It must have been fear of Reagan who of course forced all the mid east factions to the negotiating table where he forced them into a lasting peace that holds to this day.

Yep, Carter was a boob all right. This country needs more boobs like that and needs a couple to step up and run for POTUS next year.

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 12:44:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: minnetar
Sanity stop with the slams. Give some rationale as to why you found him to be that rather than just personal opinion i think he has done a great job as an elder statesman.

Please - i am saying to all give someone facts as to why to disagree rather than just a personal slam. i can only respect a person who gives an opinion with facts rather than continually trying to attack another as i tried to stand up for you.

minnetar


Call your wimpy little ex-President off of his low-life attacks on our current sitting President, President Bush, and then I might think about it. Sound fair enough? Until then, that doddering old fool is fair game.



Is Carter DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the deaths of HALF A MILLION PEOPLE, like Bush is?

Nope.

End of story.

And CARTER never tried to do an end run around the ACTING Attorney General by sending some GOONS to the HOSPITAL ROOM of the SICK EX-ATTORNEY-GENERAL to try to get HIM to sign off on their schemes to subvert the Laws and Constitution either!


I can just see the scene:

BUSH: Andy, Alberto. I want youze to roll on over to that hospital where Ashcroft is sick, and put pressure on him to overturn the decision of the Acting AG. I don't care how sick he is, OR THAT HE ISN'T THE AG RIGHT NOW. We need these plans signed off on, so you go make him an offer he can't refuse...



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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 2:21:13 AM   
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This is absolute nonsense. The problems with Islam or Iran if that is what you are referring to goes back to the overthrow of the democratic government by the US and the British in 1953.



That certainly explains the Moorish conquest of Spain and the various Crusades.

Sinergy


Well let's face it, christians haven't been slow in conquering and killing other peoples either so what's the difference? Where the Islamists allowed a multicultural state of affairs the Chrisitians didn't and managed to kill off a few Jews with the muslims. The real problem was Abramic religions, now the problem is economic imperialism and the US was happy to take over where the British left off. Carter can't be blamed for a state of affairs that he inherited but only for his term in office.

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 3:52:43 AM   
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has to build houses for the homeless now to recover some sort of a legacy - any legacy at all.
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Ya gotta wonder how Bush is gonna read in the history books, as well.
He is gonna have to do alot of toilet slavery to have any legacy himself.

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 5:28:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me, it isn't helpful to have a former President taking shots at a current administration.
 
It's not a question of if the administration is worthy of the shots ... but more a question of those actions being helpful to the problem.

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 5:32:51 AM   
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Carter is by far the best ex-President the world has ever seen.  I have maintained for years that his main problem as President is that he was too nice for the job.  Deacon of a sunday school.  Brokered peace settlements between the Isrealis and the Palestineans.  Professor of politics at (the name escapes me) a college in Georgia.

I may be biased, he was a close friend of Hunter S. Thompson.

Sinergy


Best ex-president? What did he do? Absolutely nothing. Gas prices were $6 a gallon and interest rates were double digits. Not to mention he allowed Iran to hold 55 American diplomats hostage...again he did nothing.

The best ex-prez? Ummmm....   No.... Not even close

The best ex-president in my opinion is a tie between FDR and Lincoln.

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 5:45:39 AM   
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Carter is by far the best ex-President the world has ever seen.  I have maintained for years that his main problem as President is that he was too nice for the job.  Deacon of a sunday school.  Brokered peace settlements between the Isrealis and the Palestineans.  Professor of politics at (the name escapes me) a college in Georgia.

I may be biased, he was a close friend of Hunter S. Thompson.

Sinergy


Best ex-president? What did he do? Absolutely nothing. Gas prices were $6 a gallon and interest rates were double digits. Not to mention he allowed Iran to hold 55 American diplomats hostage...again he did nothing.

The best ex-prez? Ummmm....   No.... Not even close

The best ex-president in my opinion is a tie between FDR and Lincoln.


I will give you a 2 for elocution, but will have to remove several points for comprehension.

he said best ex-president , not best president.

But, this shit about 20 percent interest rates (I remember 21) and Reagan hauling them down to 16........whoopdefuckindo.  At 21% I could go in any bank and get any loan on my signature.  At Reagans 16 they would sniff up your very asshole to see how they could take your house, and you had to have a FUCKIN" JOB. (not something that was plentiful)  and I never saw 6 dollar gas, but I am staring at 3.5 or better now.

Next.

Ron


 

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 6:51:25 AM   
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To me, it isn't helpful to have a former President taking shots at a current administration.

It's not a question of if the administration is worthy of the shots ... but more a question of those actions being helpful to the problem.


The problem is the Current Administration is a bunch of Incompetents and Criminals.

It would only take a SINGLE US ATTORNEY who isn't a "Loyal Bushie" to have them all perpwalked by Federal Marshals.

Good thing they cleared out the Department of Justice of anyone not Politically Reliable, eh?



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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 6:52:30 AM   
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Best ex-president? What did he do? Absolutely nothing. Gas prices were $6 a gallon and interest rates were double digits. Not to mention he allowed Iran to hold 55 American diplomats hostage...again he did nothing.



As opposed to A'li North and his buddies conspiring to provide material assistance to the terrorists holding the Americans Hostage?

LINCOLN??? THE GUY WHO DESTROYED THE REPUBLIC?

Nice choice!!! LOL!



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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 6:59:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad it wasn't $6 a gallon here, I used to drive big blocks. Even what the prices were I was paying around $80 a week foir gasoline.

It sometimes amazes me, all the different angles, the slant on life, whatever. I had no love for Carter, I don't think a President should be Jimmy, should be James or at least Jim. Hiding the Shah of Iran from justice was a very bad mistake on his part.

One which I doubt he admits to in his new book "Palestine : Peace, Not Apartheid". The book has been hailed by the AFP as at least a good read. I guess even they forget. But then the ADL has condemned the book and stopped just short of calling Carter anti-Semitic. So it can't be all bad. Thing is, when someone comes out saying things like that, realize they are close to death. I remember others who have given up on the code of silence, but not when they were politically active. They have nothing to lose now.

But they all kowtowed to the big bucks when they had something to lose. They are all part of the plan.

Who can say that every President hasn't been replaced by a double, like in the Manchuian Candidate ? And moreover, who can say the real candidate wasn't part of the whole thing and no such action was necessary ?

I have seen nothing impressive in any President in my lifetime, except for JFK's brains flying across the street in Texas, and I was three at the time.

T

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 7:22:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		President Carter is the patron saint and founding father of radical Islam. Without him it is doubtful there would be radical Islam. He managed to legitimize a fringe movement within a religion and make it the most powerful faction within that religion.

While doing so, he crated the impotent image of the USA in the mind and view of the world. His solution to the high fuel cost was to wear a sweater. His solution to high unemployment, inflation, and a double digit interest rates was...come to think of it he had no solution. He was depressing to listen to. He inspired depression. His effort to rescue the hostages taken from an USA sovereign property, the embassy, wasn't planned for the desert location of its origin. He was a poor leader, poor planner, poor administrator.

Now he lacks the respect for the office he once held. Forget the individual, the office of the Presidency of the US deserves respect. It was the one bastion of our government that political finger pointing by former office holders was excluded. Retired Presidents Bush and Clinton worked with each other for the tsunami victims and victims of Katrina.

Now President Carter insures that it will be incumbent to critique the current administration. How nice, especially coming from the poster child of incompetence and impotency. For people who lived through his administration, or tried to make a living during it; his latest rant is building upon a lasting legacy.

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 7:53:19 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		But he has a right to express his opinion. Now he has pissed the Jews off, or, put more aptly the people running Israel. I wish the Jews were running Israel, it would be alot less fucked up.

I agree that Carter was no great leader. But I am leaning toward the opinion that the less they do the better, and as such, Carter was better than some. At least he wasn't getting blow jobs in the office, that we know of.

T

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 10:34:36 AM   
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I can'teven begin on the where do we go with this.

Regardless of the asswipe you read on paper---the hostages were released, through negotiation at Reagans inaugural------by the efforts of Carter, not because of Rottencrotches utility.

and then, we seen arms trade offs, never mind we fucked them immediately,by backing IraQ in the  80s wars with Iran ---thats where the rumsfeld/saddam handshake picture comes from--------

I am with Sinergy on this issue, too fuckin nice to be prez...........

all you all can run stupid shit up the pipe, but look
Ike, warned against the military industrial complex and was right, and golfed (too old to get his dick sucked, knew he didnt matter )
Kennedy got his dick sucked, knew it didnt matter
Lyndon Johnson and the Great americans
Nixon a criminal
Jimmy Carter didnt matter
Geo Bush a criminal that added to his personal fortune?
Ronald Reagan a fuckin retard
Bill Clinton got his dick sucked
George Washington Bush?  another fucking retard


ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE 4 YEARS AGO?


LMCAO,
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Presidents of companies are like presidents of the united states, they should rah rah rah and get their dick sucked and know that they are clueless, and remain so by effort...............




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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 11:01:39 AM   
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About the only "good" thing you could say about the Carter Presidency was that it was "benign."

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 11:04:16 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		some tumors are as well, perhaps you will comment on the bush years.

Benign is bad compared to the current one in which way?

See what I am saying?

A president NEEDS his dick sucked, not aught else, absolute power and all that---

Ron


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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 11:06:56 AM   
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i suppose it's not only is one person better off than 4 or 8 years ago, but what about this country and the rest of the world; are they better off than 4 or 8 years ago? that of course includes the people, the environment in which we live (concretely and idealistically as well as rationally and under what sort of laws/beliefs).

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RE: President Jimmy Carter: Bush's impact "worst i... - 5/20/2007 11:12:49 AM   
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