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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 4:04:07 AM   
Maahsatti


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Greetings Najakcharmer,

The potential of my views and opinions I post on this board in response to threads, to annoy anyone, is not my concern. I do not say this to be nasty or ugly, but simply because it is how I feel.
I will say however, it is not my intentions to annoy some, but to only add my perspectives and participations. If that ends up hurting feelings or annoying some people potentially,there is not much I can do about it, save, posting my opinions in as kind and respectful mannor as possible, but I will clearly state, that I will not nor have I ever sugar coated anything I believe for the sake of avoiding wave making.
I have read many of your posts, in many of the threads in this board and while I do not share a good portion of your own views, I respect you for them, none the less and know for a certainty, you are entitled to them and to voice them.

I wish you well,
Maahsatti

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 7:53:27 AM   
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Kuldan,

Received your email and sources. Thanke. I'll look them up a little later since I'm sure the same will cause sever cebrebral cortex fry.

I located which appears to be a half way decent source that just may coinside to your previous contentions. More on this later.

Rapture

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Tal Rapture,

just sent you a personal message with the source information.

Kuldan

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 10:02:14 AM   
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Tal and greetings
 
In my travels I have met women who have stated they have a desire to become a slave to a man.   Most of those who have expressed this to me are women in various vanilla jobs that are at the supervisior level.  I am not say all women do, just that I have met a some who have stated to me they have a desire to be a slave to man.
 
Be Well

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 10:35:45 AM   
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MrDiscipline44 -  Wow someone counts what I have said.  Not trying to convince anyone - just not gonna kneel to a man 30 years my junior.  Nope.  Nope.  Nope.

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 12:41:25 PM   
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Greetings bliss1,
 
i have knelt to a man 20 years my junior - when the power and the dominance are there, age is rarely a factor...for me anyway~

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 12:50:43 PM   
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To answer the initial question, I can say with all certainty........no, not all.

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 12:55:38 PM   
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Well hell no they don't want to be, there's feminists everywhere, and at a guess I'd think that with all the dommes and the butch dykes around the answer's obvious lol

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 12:58:10 PM   
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Tal,

Of course, I have a permanant slave and I'm a one slave kinda Master, but in the past, I have dominated women 16 years older and 16 years younger than I (and more than once in both directions).

The symmetry is coincidental. The point is that when a girl is on her knees, she isn't thinking about age.

Tim

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 1:12:32 PM   
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it's always wonderful to be grouped with the "all" in these types of questions again...that was me being sarcastic.

to simply answer your question - no ...i'm not one of those "all" who wants to be a slave.


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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 1:16:28 PM   
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No more than everyone should be Chistians like the Bible says---
 
Oh hell no...

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 1:18:37 PM   
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The point is that when a girl is on her knees, she isn't thinking about age.
Tim


Greetings Musicmystery,
 
For me, this is indeed true :-)  There are also individuals that have an aura of agelessness in certain situations...it is wonderful to be open to all that is possible :-)

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 1:31:23 PM   
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patina:

Do you write books or idiot strips based on the Gor Novel? You have no clue, but it is people like you who make a forturne while the rest of us work in retail.
To me, all Gor is, a book.  Maybe the Star Wars Convention and the Gor Convention can unite this weekend in California.  
The answer to your question is an obvious no, and your writings insult the entire female populations.



Regards, MissSCD

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 1:42:58 PM   
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MissSCD,

You knowwww....it's answers like yours that show the idiot.   The original question was asked sincerely.  Regardless of how one feels about it, about Gor, or hell, about anything......deserves a better answer than idiot.

As far as insulting the entire female population goes.  I think you just did a fine job of that.

Oh yeah.....enjoy your weekend.

~smilezz~

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 2:36:44 PM   
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greetings smilezz

well said!!

well wishes
sh`ana{T}

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 3:40:42 PM   
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Greetings Patina,

We were discussing this issue to a lessor degree around the fire and it seemed a fairly common thought that most, not all, but yes most women have a submissive desire, a need, an ache. However the slavery condition isn't well met by even these online "slaves" all that well in a great many cases. It is the choice factor and one of the sluts was talking about this earlier in the thread. Need, the need to belong to a man. The need to have a man control you, the need to be his device of pleasure, labor, lust and smile.

Slavery is an absolute condition, it is met with no room for conditions, the slave is owned, submission as a slave is complete and the slaves choices end at the point of surrender. She is his to taste, to use, to labor for, to beat, to do anything and everything that he desires. (note for the non-Gorean subscribers, his can be seen as gender neutral.) The romantic notion of slavery and intense sexual use may in fact be exciting, but not all to accurate. Most actually get close to going to a masterly type and poof, reality slaps them senseless and they run for the hills.

Many and perhaps most women need a strong man, not always in a slaves capactity, but none the less need a man. Some need an alpha woman, but others yet understand that they are meant to be a slave, it is something they are, hard wired much the same as the lesbian or gay man. It is not a choice internally and that is why until they fill this void they are in a sense, lost. If it is you, you will know. Others won't do to societal conditioning and they're are yet to even be exposed to their feelings on this. But so long as it is taboo, discouraged and shunned, many will walk the path of loneliness.

Do you think the politically powerful females would stand by and allow a world where women were allowed to acknowledge slavery openly on the street daily and not rise holy hell. Some would find it disgusting, others would fear men would get carried away with it, and yet others would be terrified of the feelings this inspired in their bellies.

Even within their minds, many men would submit some control willingly to another, consider the warriors, they have leaders that can send them to death, and they willingly follow orders. Consider the leader of said castes, or the Ubars or the Administrators reign over people. What is the sense of condition of submission and slavery. So many variables control the answer to submission, surrender and slavery.

Ponder these things and again ask yourself. "Do all women want to be slaves?" And no, Goreans at least those I speak with, do not think, nor do they believe the books in all cases think or say that ALL women want to be slaves.

Though, I do think all women would fancy a sweet bovine smooch!!!!!

The End,

Bull

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 4:15:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maahsatti
The potential of my views and opinions I post on this board in response to threads, to annoy anyone, is not my concern. I do not say this to be nasty or ugly, but simply because it is how I feel.


I respect that greatly.  I prefer that people speak bluntly as they feel and believe, and I respect people more for doing that even when they do not share my own opinions or beliefs.

If I see statements made that are factually inaccurate, as opposed to being an opinion that is different from mine, I may weigh in with a correction however.  I wish you well also!

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 9:41:32 PM   
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What do you expect this is online where most and do take advantage of the medium for they will never do as they here but offline.

Continue with your questions patina, so as long as, they are in fact sincere....

Rapture

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ORIGINAL: smilezz
MissSCD,
You knowwww....it's answers like yours that show the idiot.   The original question was asked sincerely.  Regardless of how one feels about it, about Gor, or hell, about anything......deserves a better answer than idiot.
As far as insulting the entire female population goes.  I think you just did a fine job of that.
Oh yeah.....enjoy your weekend.
~smilezz~

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 10:04:38 PM   
Rapture


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ORIGINAL: xBullx
Greetings Patina,


corrects the "P" to a "p".

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We were discussing this issue to a lessor degree around the fire and it seemed a fairly common thought that most, not all, but yes most women have a submissive desire, a need, an ache. However the slavery condition isn't well met by even these online "slaves" all that well in a great many cases. It is the choice factor and one of the sluts was talking about this earlier in the thread. Need, the need to belong to a man. The need to have a man control you, the need to be his device of pleasure, labor, lust and smile.


Of what someone is by way of nature, no matter what type of conditioning, or teaching, or fallacies they may believe in, is still them-what nature wishes them to be. This is not a choice. I do believe I have mentioned in the past and surely on these forums such a need...which defies by the way the contentions of unowned slaves being free. That need is still there, no matter what, no matter if she is owned or not owned, yet the only question is that need being met or should I say Mastered.

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Slavery is an absolute condition, it is met with no room for conditions, the slave is owned, submission as a slave is complete and the slaves choices end at the point of surrender. She is his to taste, to use, to labor for, to beat, to do anything and everything that he desires. (note for the non-Gorean subscribers, his can be seen as gender neutral.) The romantic notion of slavery and intense sexual use may in fact be exciting, but not all to accurate. Most actually get close to going to a masterly type and poof, reality slaps them senseless and they run for the hills.


The domination or control aspects have little or if anything to do with sex. I will agree.

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Many and perhaps most women need a strong man, not always in a slaves capactity, but none the less need a man. Some need an alpha woman, but others yet understand that they are meant to be a slave, it is something they are, hard wired much the same as the lesbian or gay man.


Yet, being subservient is being subservient, as one put it and to paraphrase its the community or the Man that allows such capacity, and thus not really free at all.

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It is not a choice internally and that is why until they fill this void they are in a sense, lost. If it is you, you will know. Others won't do to societal conditioning and they're are yet to even be exposed to their feelings on this. But so long as it is taboo, discouraged and shunned, many will walk the path of loneliness.


If a choice as you said above, now not a choice, but I agree it isnt a choice and as such not free. For the same would walk in the face of what the females true nature is to be, what always and continues to be intended.

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Do you think the politically powerful females would stand by and allow a world where women were allowed to acknowledge slavery openly on the street daily and not rise holy hell. Some would find it disgusting, others would fear men would get carried away with it, and yet others would be terrified of the feelings this inspired in their bellies.


Perhaps this is why most of the world is run by Men?

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Even within their minds, many men would submit some control willingly to another, consider the warriors, they have leaders that can send them to death, and they willingly follow orders. Consider the leader of said castes, or the Ubars or the Administrators reign over people. What is the sense of condition of submission and slavery. So many variables control the answer to submission, surrender and slavery.


Actually, the Solider does not follow blindly, and if so he is more guilty. Also, the Solider swore to uphold whomever was in charge or who was elected (in the modern view of things), but even that has its limitations.

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Ponder these things and again ask yourself. "Do all women want to be slaves?" And no, Goreans at least those I speak with, do not think, nor do they believe the books in all cases think or say that ALL women want to be slaves.
Though, I do think all women would fancy a sweet bovine smooch!!!!!
The End,
Bull


Perhaps already are, but are just in wait... You I believe even elluded to this above....

Rapture

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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 10:04:41 PM   
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Hey, I happen to be going to the LA Star Wars Con...mmmm Star War/Gor Con..interesting idea.  By the way you would be surprised at how many women dress in the Princess Liea Slave girl outfit.  Now let me finish packing my double edge light saber..
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patina:

Do you write books or idiot strips based on the Gor Novel? You have no clue, but it is people like you who make a forturne while the rest of us work in retail.
To me, all Gor is, a book.  Maybe the Star Wars Convention and the Gor Convention can unite this weekend in California.  
The answer to your question is an obvious no, and your writings insult the entire female populations.



Regards, MissSCD


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RE: Do all women want to be slaves as the Gor says? - 5/25/2007 10:06:20 PM   
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"Hey, I happen to be going to the LA Star Wars Con...mmmm Star War/Gor Con..interesting idea.  By the way you would be surprised at how many women dress in the Princess Liea Slave girl outfit.  Now let me finish packing my double edge light saber.. "

Get some pics and post them ;)

Rapture

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