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ORIGINAL: xBullx Greetings Patina, corrects the "P" to a "p". I have no need for you to correct my grammar. The lower case "p" versus capital "P" is an onlineism.In fact the BDSM folks coined it. I can tell by a females actions what it is she aspires to be. I could care less if people use it. and in fact if a slave is owned and told to use it fine enough. I however will type as it moves me too. If you wish to be told how to address the girls, then by all means follow suit or do as you're told. quote:
We were discussing this issue to a lessor degree around the fire and it seemed a fairly common thought that most, not all, but yes most women have a submissive desire, a need, an ache. However the slavery condition isn't well met by even these online "slaves" all that well in a great many cases. It is the choice factor and one of the sluts was talking about this earlier in the thread. Need, the need to belong to a man. The need to have a man control you, the need to be his device of pleasure, labor, lust and smile. Rapture: Of what someone is by way of nature, no matter what type of conditioning, or teaching, or fallacies they may believe in, is still them-what nature wishes them to be. This is not a choice. I do believe I have mentioned in the past and surely on these forums such a need...which defies by the way the contentions of unowned slaves being free. That need is still there, no matter what, no matter if she is owned or not owned, yet the only question is that need being met or should I say Mastered. I have no idea what you just said here. My above statement was in regards to the females that while online feeling some sense of being a slave, therefore they declare themsleves to be slave. This was not decided by men, but by female herself. Now, they may in fact have an internal need to be a slave, they may ache to be such, but men decide the state of affairs in Gorean circles. I do believe that is also something you say. I'm surprised that as much as you shout Gor is a man's world you allow the females to decide that which they are in relationship to you. If a female has been claimed or collared by you or anyman, I respect the point a man has made her property and see her as such. But he decided, she didn't. Hell, I am even open to the idea of a free woman making a girl, or a guy for that matter, her slave; but a free person decides and maintains this condition. And no, it can't be spun that a free can make themsleves a slave, I'm not playing childish word games with my lifestyle. If a females is not owned by a man, she has not been seen by a man as slave, not worthy of the price of admission. You can use all the Websters like definitions you want, but the fact remains, it seems you are allowing a female to determine her relationship towards you, for you. I am not. My point was a general view of how females can behave "online" and not in the flesh, it is easy to play slave here where you can turn off the computer and be a typical girl again (hense the choice statement), you are more than well aware of this girls playing slave senario. You are however, welcome to your view, and we have went over this before. quote:
Slavery is an absolute condition, it is met with no room for conditions, the slave is owned, submission as a slave is complete and the slaves choices end at the point of surrender. She is his to taste, to use, to labor for, to beat, to do anything and everything that he desires. (note for the non-Gorean subscribers, his can be seen as gender neutral.) The romantic notion of slavery and intense sexual use may in fact be exciting, but not all to accurate. Most actually get close to going to a masterly type and poof, reality slaps them senseless and they run for the hills. Rapture: The domination or control aspects have little or if anything to do with sex. I will agree. -Nods- quote:
Many and perhaps most women need a strong man, not always in a slaves capactity, but none the less need a man. Some need an alpha woman, but others yet understand that they are meant to be a slave, it is something they are, hard wired much the same as the lesbian or gay man. Rapture: Yet, being subservient is being subservient, as one put it and to paraphrase its the community or the Man that allows such capacity, and thus not really free at all. Your statement here just leaves to broad stroke of the brush. A free companion can be subservient to a man and not be his slave, nor the slave to free. Someone may be a paid housekeeper, thus subservient, yet not a slave. I don't like the to broad of slash of the brush here, in that sense you yourself could be seen by someone as a slave. Neither of us believe that to be the case. quote:
It is not a choice internally and that is why until they fill this void they are in a sense, lost. If it is you, you will know. Others won't do to societal conditioning and they're are yet to even be exposed to their feelings on this. But so long as it is taboo, discouraged and shunned, many will walk the path of loneliness. Rapture: If a choice as you said above, now not a choice, but I agree it isnt a choice and as such not free. For the same would walk in the face of what the females true nature is to be, what always and continues to be intended. Now you aren't allowed to twist my words. I have never said that in the case of some females the slavery conditional is internally wired and they feel the condition and must become that to be at peace, in a manner of speaking. It still comes back to what MEN label them to be. And this is not always as strog of a drive and I have no proof that it is even always the drive for a woman to be slave. I'm still trying to decide if it's a fifty/fifty thing or what. Do you have proof beyond your opinion that ALL women are slaves. I'd be very content with the idea if we could take this to Congress and say, the laws are wrong dammit. I actually happen to be rather fond of slave flesh. Again, I am only deciding for myself as man who is allowed to be slave, not having them tell me. You can do as you wish. quote:
Do you think the politically powerful females would stand by and allow a world where women were allowed to acknowledge slavery openly on the street daily and not rise holy hell. Some would find it disgusting, others would fear men would get carried away with it, and yet others would be terrified of the feelings this inspired in their bellies. Rapture: Perhaps this is why most of the world is run by Men? Perhaps.... quote:
Even within their minds, many men would submit some control willingly to another, consider the warriors, they have leaders that can send them to death, and they willingly follow orders. Consider the leader of said castes, or the Ubars or the Administrators reign over people. What is the sense of condition of submission and slavery. So many variables control the answer to submission, surrender and slavery. Rapture: Actually, the Solider does not follow blindly, and if so he is more guilty. Also, the Solider swore to uphold whomever was in charge or who was elected (in the modern view of things), but even that has its limitations. Now let's not get into semantics. A slave also has a mind and could choose to not follow blindly and in fact in our consentual slavery world, she is no more following blindly then the soldier. Hense why I am working on, in my mind this slavery title. I'm not claiming to have all the answers here. You can't use the soldier has choices idea all that successfully though, I do believe they are drafted at times across the globe. I also believe that men have over the ages actually been abducted into warrior or sailor service. If memory serves me correct, men were stolen off the streets to serve the Royal Navy when Napoleon was massed on the French shores wanting to invade Britian. Check the history of the HMS Victory. A beautiful vessel with a jaded past. quote:
Ponder these things and again ask yourself. "Do all women want to be slaves?" And no, Goreans at least those I speak with, do not think, nor do they believe the books in all cases think or say that ALL women want to be slaves. Though, I do think all women would fancy a sweet bovine smooch!!!!! The End, Bull Rapture: Perhaps already are, but are just in wait... You I believe even elluded to this above.... Rapture No, again your attempting to see my words in your theory. Or maybe you meant they are awaiting my kiss. That I agree is very likely. Live well, Bull Edited because I don't always understand how to make this quote crap work............ [Mod Note: user's name removed]
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Live well, Bull I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute... "A Republic, If You Can Keep It." Caution: My humor is a bit skewed.
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