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AAkasha -> Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 10:08:35 AM)


One of the most common questions I get from male subs is "how can I tell if a woman I know is into femdom (or, would be apt to give it a try)?"

I don't think there is any clear way to identify any person as dominant, submissive, lightly kinky, or wildly kinky if you meet them in a completely vanilla enviroment. Perhaps a friend of a friend, a business associate, or a friend you met at a vanilla social gathering. Someone's outward personality is NOT a reflection of how they are in bed, or if they are kinked. Some poor subs have fallen for women they viewed as strong, assertive, bitchy, controlling -- and then years later, realized that's all they were - it had nothing to do with kink at all. In fact, these control freak types liked to control everything but what goes on the bedroom -- huge letdown for subs.

To find out if someone you know socially is kinky, I suggest flirtation as the easiest way. And it can range from harmless and barely noticable (unless the person is really "in the know" about kink -- otherwise it goes over their head) to somewhat over the top.

How do you do this? If you are a kink-minded person, you see double-entendre potential in a lot of places. As a femdom, I've done a variety of things to "fish out" whether a guy might be open to kink or submission. If he jokingly says he screwed something up, I might say, "Hmm, I'll let it pass this time, but next time I might have to punish you." A kink-minded sub would probably reply in turn, "oh, I might like that actually." Then you are off to the races.

If I wear something fetishy to complement an otherwise normal outfit (knee high black patent leather boots are good) and a man notices and compliments me on them, I am clued in that he might be sub or fetishy. I could thank him, and laughingly say, "My closet is full of black shiny things!" The trick is to be subtle enough that it can be ignored or blown off, but don't harp on it to the point that you are pretty much advertising, "Yes, I'm kinky as hell" -- just in case this person is someone who will not respond well to it or there is a larger group of people present.

Sub men shouldn't use meek, quiet shyness or downcast eyes/overly bashful demeanor in hopes to "clue in" any potential femdoms. Because for the most part, it will get you unnoticed completely, or the woman might assume you have low self esteem. Sometimes, that "stoic, mysterious, charismatic" type is VERY alluring -- so don't get those two confused.

There are a lot of opportunities to drop subtle hints when you are flirting with someone, and they help you get a sense of the person's openness, or if they are very educated about it. You can save yourself a lot of heartache later if you find out through casual flirting that the person thinks "that kinky bondage stuff" is "for freaks."

Does anyone else have any good examples of way to send off the "dom" or "sub" vibe, or clue people in on your kinkiness without advertising it or putting yourself in a compromising position?

Akasha




match2u -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 1:26:15 PM)




honestly i have no clue at all to answer that question - smile -

just as a woman and my experience so far, beside the fact is there kinkiness or not?

i did found out in observing men while dancing at least i was able to tell if He is a great lover - smile -

and mostly i was right.....[sm=lol.gif]

hug

petra






Faramir -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 1:29:27 PM)

I agree with the double-entendre idea. Bratty girls will often "provoke" a guy when flirting, and if she reacts to "Do that again and I will take you over my knee and spank you," well, you got something there.




AAkasha -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 2:06:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Faramir

I agree with the double-entendre idea. Bratty girls will often "provoke" a guy when flirting, and if she reacts to "Do that again and I will take you over my knee and spank you," well, you got something there.


I forgot to add the risk with this though is a lot of vanilla guys think "oh cool, kinky == easy!" and think it's a great way to get sex. As soon as things progress in the flirting I always make sure he knows just because I might have some very exotic fetishes doesn't mean I am jumping into bed.

Akasha




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 5:08:14 PM)

quote:

Does anyone else have any good examples of way to send off the "dom" or "sub" vibe, or clue people in on your kinkiness without advertising it or putting yourself in a compromising position?


I get told very often that I am dominant. This outside of a BDSM context of course. I think I give the vibe off easily.

But when flirting with a man or woman of undermined kink, when I want to make sure I get my message across, I will let a few hints drop.

If they comment on my shoes (which happens a lot), I will mention that I have somewhat of a shoe fetish. And if they ask why, I'll explain that permit me to express a very powerful feeling.

If they get a little cocky, I might say something like “be careful, I bite”. As Akasha said in their post, this will make some people’s eyes light up.

I will often say things in the conversation like “good boy, you deserve a treat” followed by a little wink and see if it makes them raise a brow or blush. Again, the tricky part is determining whether they are shy or they enjoy submission.

Usually, in the end, it doesn’t matter so much what I say or what I hint at. I have somewhat of a sixth sense about these things and I’m pretty good at determining which ones want to be at my feet, which ones would love to turn the tables and which ones do it only with the lights off, missionary style!

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 5:10:23 PM)

quote:

I forgot to add the risk with this though is a lot of vanilla guys think "oh cool, kinky == easy!" and think it's a great way to get sex. As soon as things progress in the flirting I always make sure he knows just because I might have some very exotic fetishes doesn't mean I am jumping into bed.


Very good point. This issue was discussed in the thread A Domme's Sexuality in case it is of any interest to anyone.

- LA




Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 7:34:45 PM)

Often, when a man with an unknown kink-factor comments on my cheekiness, (which happens suprisingly often LOL) I will throw out my catch phrase;
"So what are you gonna do, spank me?" usually his reaction tells me whether to explore this further.

Cin




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 7:47:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Someone's outward personality is NOT a reflection of how they are in bed, or if they are kinked. Some poor subs have fallen for women they viewed as strong, assertive, bitchy, controlling -- and then years later, realized that's all they were - it had nothing to do with kink at all. In fact, these control freak types liked to control everything but what goes on the bedroom -- huge letdown for subs.
Akasha

Wow, you've got this exactly right, or at least it's what most married men tell me they have when they try to cheat with me...

I feel people out by being playfull/making jokes related to different types of sex and control within a relationship. My experience with subs thus far is that I get men who want full/majority control outside of bedroom and willing to play bottom inside the bedroom... M




Manawyddan -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/17/2005 9:30:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: match2u


i did found out in observing men while dancing at least i was able to tell if He is a great lover - smile -


I hope that's not too dependable a test, otherwise I'm doomed ...




FangsNfeet -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/25/2005 5:33:10 PM)

Yes I think flirting can help. I've noticed that more ppl are saying "Spank You" instead of "thank you"
If getting caught or called on something a submisive can say "I guess you'll just have to spank me" and see where it may lead.
This months edition of Mens Health put out an article on flirting and how it relives tension in the work place.

In any case, my best advice is that flirting is flirting. Many call it "Just Flirting" and never expect it to lead anywhere. But it never hurts to try.




MsIncognito -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/25/2005 6:41:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Someone's outward personality is NOT a reflection of how they are in bed, or if they are kinked. Some poor subs have fallen for women they viewed as strong, assertive, bitchy, controlling -- and then years later, realized that's all they were - it had nothing to do with kink at all. In fact, these control freak types liked to control everything but what goes on the bedroom -- huge letdown for subs.



Likewise, being a woman who is competent and in control in day to day life doesn't make one more prone to being sexually dominant either. I tend to get submissive men who are attracted to me because of those traits but at the end of the day I have no desire to take control. I get more than my fair share of opportunities to be in control outside of my relationship. In a relationship I know which side of the slash I belong on.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/25/2005 7:12:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
As a femdom, I've done a variety of things to "fish out" whether a guy might be open to kink or submission. If he jokingly says he screwed something up, I might say, "Hmm, I'll let it pass this time, but next time I might have to punish you." A kink-minded sub would probably reply in turn, "oh, I might like that actually." Then you are off to the races.
Akasha

Akasha,
I find that most any man is open to playing with a kinky woman...
I wonder if you've ever run into the problems of these men essentially sitting back, doing nothing to impress you/show you respect as a lady, and simply assume you'll do all the work and be an Easy lay??
A lot of men equate kinky or sexually adverturous with promiscuous/easy... M




sanita -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/25/2005 7:26:02 PM)

there was a guy i used to work with... very brash type. ex military, very very cocky but in a funny way.

he would use "spank you" instead of "thank you" every once in a while.

one time, as he was crouching by the copier, i helped him figure out where the jam was. as i went back to my desk, he (still crouching) said "spank you!" to which i replied "Not without buying me dinner first."

he fell on his butt.

and he looked at me funny for the next few weeks. *lol*

i find that i can tell how much people may know, based on watching them when i react to their behavior... when someone comments on some kinky behaviour, like joking about getting out the cuffs and being all "kinky," and i mention that leather or velcro restraints may be more comfortable... well, the 'nillas kind of have this look they get (it is hard to explain)... while the non-'nillas look at me as a fellow freak.






gretchen -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/25/2005 7:52:59 PM)

This thread has made me remember how Stephan (better known as Voltare) and I clicked.

We met on my brother's birthday party here in Chile, where BDSM is unknown. He was sitted next to me, looking bored. I was probably the only chick who knew how to speak english, so I decided to talked to him for a while. We found a lot of things in common beetwen us. We talked a lot, then we started flirting (vanilla style of course). It didn't take much flirting time for him to make a dominant move. He just had to say "kiss me" in an ordering tone and look for me to do so with out hesitation. It was all what I ever wanted. Waiting all night long for a man to do any kind of flirt to finally end up kissing after I asked him "So, are you gonna kiss me or what?", is a turn off for me.

So, in my experience, if a person wants to show this side while flirting, you'll tell. If is not that obvious, then maybe this person is not into anything, but might will.




Mia1978 -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/25/2005 11:09:52 PM)

I think it is tricky to find what you want in a partner without sounding slutty or turning into the Office Freak. Here's a few subtle 'pick-up' ideas that could work in the right situation, for whatever they are worth.

A Dom looking for a Sub could say:
"I'll watch, you do it for me"
"Don't make me come over there"

A Sub looking for a Dom could say:
"Will I get in trouble if I don't?"
"What would you have me say?"

If someone flirts back you can always take it to the next level. If you scared them off with the first round, at least you hopefully won't be gossipped about. :)

Although I am still very new at all this, you could always try some "inside" language and see if they can pick-up on what you are talking about. For instance, I LOVE photography so I mention to people "I snagged a great one with my D70". Most serious photographers know what I'm talking about. If I get a "huh?" then I just shrug it off with, "oh nothing, it's just a picture" and change the subject. Can always try that with bdsm terms and see if someone catches on. If they don't, hopefully you said it fast enough that they won't be able to repeat it to your boss - lol! I think most vanillas think a Sub is a sandwhich and a Switch is a stick. Can always do word-play and see who instantly catches on and who is confused.

One last idea. Ok, so you could always also put out a becon and have some little bdsm toy on your desk or in your car. You could always wear kinky earings or have a little tatoo. There's a lot of subtle things that a lot of people wouldn't notice unless they were into it, and others that can be pawned off as "Isn't that funny, my friend gave that to me for my birthday! haha".

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AAkasha -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/27/2005 11:26:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
As a femdom, I've done a variety of things to "fish out" whether a guy might be open to kink or submission. If he jokingly says he screwed something up, I might say, "Hmm, I'll let it pass this time, but next time I might have to punish you." A kink-minded sub would probably reply in turn, "oh, I might like that actually." Then you are off to the races.
Akasha

Akasha,
I find that most any man is open to playing with a kinky woman...
I wonder if you've ever run into the problems of these men essentially sitting back, doing nothing to impress you/show you respect as a lady, and simply assume you'll do all the work and be an Easy lay??
A lot of men equate kinky or sexually adverturous with promiscuous/easy... M


I don't think I have come across men who were "lazy" at all or just wanted to sit back and do nothing -- but yes, absolutely, I have run across men that think just because I am dominant and kinky means I am going to jump right into the sack with him.

I would tell them right up front that while I was fetishy and into a variety of kinks, it did not mean that I was going to have sexual intercourse wtih him -- plain and simple. There really is no other way to avoid any miscommunication.

Akasha




brightspot -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/27/2005 2:28:17 PM)

I have had a very hard time with this AAkasha.
Although I am very submissive in my personal relationships,
when I am out in the out-side world I am a very assertive woman,
and can easily be mistaken as a Dominant woman by some.

What has helped me and I am not saying this is for everyone, but
I got a tattoo of a Triskilian on my rightwrist. There are those people
who comment on what a beautiful tattoo and where did you get it etc.
Then there are those that maybe make the same comment but with a
wink or a nudge, which a lot of times open things up for some kink conversation.

I will also do things like wear a chain bracelet with a lock connection, or with my
Domina's permission wear a collar out....Now the collar is becoming mainstream vanilla popular, so that doesn't work as well unless it is a more extreme collar.

Boy can I relate to your statement something to the effect; Some poor subs have fallen for women they viewed as strong, assertive, controlling, and then found out that it had nothing to do with Kink.
I always fell for those kind of women in vanilla relationships and I'd say 70% were not that way in their personal relationships or especially sexually. It is huge let-down, which in fact lead me to start exploring the lifestyle and learning more about my kink needs[:)].


*Brightspot




slatyb -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/27/2005 8:38:25 PM)

I agree with Akasha. If you have any skill with the language it should be easy enough to drop a hint and get a reaction. If you meet someone in the vanilla world and there is some initial chemistry, it shouldn't be that hard to find out if they will be interested in playing.

I don't date unadventurous diners. I figure that if someone is afraid to try exotic food they probably won't be interested in kinky sex either.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/27/2005 8:44:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slatyb
I don't date unadventurous diners. I figure that if someone is afraid to try exotic food they probably won't be interested in kinky sex either.

You know I agree with you; I don't like anyone who is excessively particular about most things in life, but apparently that theory of not eating exotic foods (being akin to lack of adventurous spirit sexually) doesn't hold water, because many kinky subs on these boards have confessed to being anal about their food while plenty kinky otherwise.. M




GentleLady -> RE: Dom/sub flirting to fish out the kinky (5/29/2005 10:34:19 PM)

quote:

I don't date unadventurous diners. I figure that if someone is afraid to try exotic food they probably won't be interested in kinky sex either.


I would have to disagree with you about this. Mine is a strictly meat and potatoes guy....to the point where the only vergetables he eats are peas (not tinned) and NOW sweet carrots. Yet he is up for any kink I mention and eager and willing to try anything. I have a personal goal of trying every food possible other then insects.

Gentle Lady




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