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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/24/2007 11:23:33 PM   
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Rich ---

The flaw to your analogy, I think, is that a car can only have one driver, while our system of government has three branches. A more apt analogy might be two brothers (President and Congress) who run a business--with a wise old aunt (Judiciary) as a silent partner who weighs in on major issues. If one brother is running the business into the ground, the other would be within his rights--and responsibilities, even--to confront him and try to get things back on track.

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      This is good, DC, but our system only has one chief executive.  That's why it's called the "executive branch."  One pair of hands on the wheel.  I'm sticking with a 'driver' basis, but I'll give you the 'brother' and 'aunt.'

       He's actually a brother-in-law.  And submissive (switch, actually, but forced into his current role).  He makes a lot of noise, but the wife ain't gonna let him do shit.  The aunt was already forced to tell the sore loser to shut up and get on the passenger seat and is busy trying to control the brats.

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/24/2007 11:29:03 PM   
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Rich ---

The flaw to your analogy, I think, is that a car can only have one driver, while our system of government has three branches. A more apt analogy might be two brothers (President and Congress) who run a business--with a wise old aunt (Judiciary) as a silent partner who weighs in on major issues. If one brother is running the business into the ground, the other would be within his rights--and responsibilities, even--to confront him and try to get things back on track.

Cheers,

DC



      This is good, DC, but our system only has one chief executive.  That's why it's called the "executive branch."  One pair of hands on the wheel.  I'm sticking with a 'driver' basis, but I'll give you the 'brother' and 'aunt.'

       He's actually a brother-in-law.  And submissive (switch, actually, but forced into his current role).  He makes a lot of noise, but the wife ain't gonna let him do shit.  The aunt was already forced to tell the sore loser to shut up and get on the passenger seat and is busy trying to control the brats.


That still seems to imply that the driver is the only one who should be making decisions, which isn't how our system is supposed to work. Your car analogy sounds more like a monarchy, a form of government we emphatically decided against some years ago.

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/24/2007 11:58:53 PM   
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     This is good, DC, but our system only has one chief executive.  That's why it's called the "executive branch."


It's pretty clear--maybe you should have paid more attention in civics class:

ex·ec·u·tive:

1. A person or group having administrative or managerial authority in an organization.
2. The chief officer of a government, state, or political division.
3. The branch of government charged with putting into effect a country's laws and the administering of its functions.

leg·is·la·tive

1. Of or relating to the enactment of laws.
2. Resulting from or decided by legislation.
3. Having the power to create laws; intended to legislate.

Or, if you prefer, a great Liberal radical once said:

"In republican government, the legislative authority necessarily predominates."  -- James Madison
Federalist #51, Feb 6 1788, The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa51.htm


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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 12:09:02 AM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/14/scotus.pledge/


You'll find a reference to what a "hecklers veto" is worth about haf-way down. Or, if your internet is working faster than mine, search the phrase on the Supreme Court site ( www.supremecourtus.gov I think).

At this point, even if the Dems could come up with a prosecutable case, they've cried "wolf" too many times to pull it off without one complete MOTHERFUCKER of a smoking gun.

The brakes and steering on this ride are already a bit squirrelly, do you think an impeachment at 75 mph is such a hot idea?


It's got NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRATS.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the replacement of the Politically Unreliable UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS.

They are the ones who bring it to a Grand Jury.

But hey, good thing they got rid of the "Few Good Men" like Capt. David Iglesias, and made sure they were replaces, without Senate confirmation by Loyal Bushies, eh?

***EVERYONE*** not demanding for a Grand Jury to hear these charges is simple a soft-on-crime-bleeding-heart-liberal, regardless of what they claim to be politically.



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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 12:11:28 AM   
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This is good, DC, but our system only has one chief executive. That's why it's called the "executive branch." One pair of hands on the wheel. I'm sticking with a 'driver' basis, but I'll give you the 'brother' and 'aunt.'


Bush is only authorized to enforce the Laws Congress passes.

Therefore, he may be driving, but he doesn't have any Free Will to decide what he wants to do. The Executive's correct act is ALWAYS written down clearly in the Law he's to enforce.

Therefore, giving the Driver the order to stop is perfectly reasonable.

I think the problem is with the basic analogy. It falls apart under the most casual scrutiny.




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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 1:54:07 AM   
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Well, you would have to send a letter to the journalist who wrote the article and their editor to change that. 


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Concerning the post title....you cant put the words Marines and failed in the same sentence...it F*CKS with the space time continuem or some SH*T...


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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 1:58:16 AM   
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Not to worry, Rich.  I get tired of the partisanship bikering too.
Our Governator was on The Tonight Show last night and he had
several great goals to discuss.  I admire the man for his vision
and pulling the California economy out of the toilet.
 
As for the article, I am just absolutely appalled at the situation
and have heard stories about this problem from friends who have
been there or who have family members there.


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    (Please don't take this as an attack on the OP, or to any of the posters above, I'm just venting on partisanship and its negative impact in general.)


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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 2:02:56 AM   
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Your post is very well stated, Faramir.  And whether or not the
person(s) appears "White" has nothing to do with the insulting
nature of the term.  "Kraut" or "Nips" or other words of that type
are demeaning and dehumanizing, their use says far more
about the speaker than their intended target.


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But "Brits" isn't part of a racial Othering rhetoric.  Words like "Jap," "Kike" or "Nigger" are part and parcel of a race based rhetoric that marginalizes and oppresses other human beings based on racial and ethnic orgin, so the use of "Brit" isn't comparable. 

I don't give a rat's ass that Roosevelt used the word "Japs,"--he also used the word "Nigger," and I find that word pretty objectionable. 

People who use words like "Jap" are either very, very stupid (they don't have a basic adult understanding of history, race and language), or they are racist turds.

Getting to Know the Racial Views of Our Past Presidents: What about FDR?  The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, No. 38 (Winter, 2002-2003)



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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 6:55:10 AM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/14/scotus.pledge/


    You'll find a reference to what a "hecklers veto" is worth about haf-way down.  Or, if your internet is working faster than mine, search the phrase on the Supreme Court site ( www.supremecourtus.gov I think).

     At this point, even if the Dems could come up with a prosecutable case, they've cried "wolf" too many times to pull it off without one complete MOTHERFUCKER of a smoking gun.

    The brakes and steering on this ride are already a bit squirrelly, do you think an impeachment at 75 mph is such a hot idea?

You're using the Newdow ruling? Let me clue you in to something, that was a 5-3 ruling in his favor that the court weaseled out of. The "heckler's veto" quote was from the 3 judge minority in the case.

Now as to the Democratic party crying wolf, what precisely are you talking about? Congressional Democrats have never attempted a coup by impeachment. The two times it was attempted in the US it was the Republican's who tried it.

As to a smoking gun. How about a breach of POTUS's oath and constitutional responsibilities commited in full view of most of Congress and millions of US citizens? What about directly authorizing hundreds if not thousands of violations of US citizens civil rights? The fact is impeachment isn't happening because the Democratic party leadership in Congress knows that not enough Republican senators would vote based on the facts of the case but instead would vote strictly in a partisan manner. So the Democrats are not engaging in a pointless exercise that would further poison the political climate. Pretty noble of them actually.

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 7:03:44 AM   
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As to a smoking gun.


Overt Acts

A. On December 9, 2001, CHENEY announced on NBC's Meet the Press that "it was pretty well confirmed" that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had met the head of Iraqi intelligence in Prague in April 2001, which statement was, as CHENEY well knew, made without reasonable basis and with reckless disregard for the truth, because it was based on a single witness's uncorroborated allegation that had not been fully investigated by U.S. intelligence agencies.

B. On July 15, 2002, POWELL stated on Ted Koppel's Nightline: "What we have consistently said is that the President has no plan on his desk to invade Iraq at the moment, nor has one been presented to him, nor have his advisors come together to put a plan to him," which statement was deliberately false and misleading in that it deceitfully implied the President was not planning an invasion of Iraq when, as POWELL well knew, the President was close to finalizing detailed military plans for such an invasion that he had ordered months previously.

C. On August 26, 2002, CHENEY made numerous false and fraudulent statements including: "Simply stated there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us," when, as CHENEY well knew, this statement was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that the IC's then prevailing assessment was that Iraq had neither nuclear weapons nor a reconstituted nuclear weapons program.

D. On September 7, 2002, appearing publicly with Blair, BUSH claimed a recent IAEA report stated that Iraq was "six months away from developing a [nuclear] weapon" and "I don't know what more evidence we need," which statements were made without basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) the IAEA had not even been present in Iraq since 1998; and (2) the report the IAEA did write in 1998 had concluded there was no indication that Iraq had the physical capacity to produce weapons-usable nuclear material or that it had attempted to obtain such material.

E. On September 8, 2002, on Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, RICE asserted that Saddam Hussein was acquiring aluminum tubes that were "only suited" for nuclear centrifuge use, which statement was deliberately false and fraudulent, and made with reckless indifference to the truth in that it omitted to state the following material facts: (1) the U.S. intelligence community was deeply divided about the likely use of the tubes; (2) there were at least fifteen intelligence reports written since April 2001 that cast doubt on the tubes' possible nuclear-related use; and (3) the U.S. Department of Energy nuclear weapons experts had concluded, after analyzing the tubes's specifications and the circumstances of the Iraqis' attempts to procure them, that the aluminum tubes were not well suited for nuclear centrifuge use and were more likely intended for artillery rocket production.

F. On September 8, 2002, RUMSFELD stated on Face the Nation: "Imagine a September 11th, with weapons of mass destruction. It's not three thousand, it's tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children," which statement was deliberately fraudulent and misleading in that it implied without reasonable basis and in direct contradiction to then prevailing intelligence that Saddam Hussein had no operational relationship with al Qaeda and was unlikely to provide weapons to terrorists.

G. On September 19, 2002, RUMSFELD told the Senate Armed Services Committee that "no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people than the regime of Saddam Hussein," which statement was, as Rumsfeld well knew, made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) Hussein had not acted aggressively toward the United States since his alleged attempt to assassinate President George H. W. Bush in 1993; (2) Iraq's military forces and equipment were severely debilitated because of UN sanctions imposed after the 1991 Gulf War; (3) the IC's opinion was that Iraq's sponsorship of terrorists was limited to ones whose hostility was directed toward Israel; and (4) Iran, not Iraq, was the most active state sponsor of terrorism.

H. On October 1, 2002, the defendants caused the IC's updated classified National Intelligence Estimate to be delivered to Congress just hours before the beginning of debate on the Authorization to Use Military Force. At the same time, the defendants caused an unclassified "White Paper" to be published which was false and misleading in many respects in that it failed to include qualifying language and dissents that substantially weakened their argument that Iraq posed a serious threat to the United States.

I. On October 7, 2002, in Cincinnati, Ohio, BUSH made numerous deliberately misleading statements to the nation, including stating that in comparison to Iran and North Korea, Iraq posed a uniquely serious threat, which statement BUSH well knew was false and fraudulent in that it omitted to state the material fact that a State Department representative had been informed just three days previously that North Korea had actually already produced nuclear weapons. The defendants continued to conceal this information until after Congress passed the Authorization to Use Military Force against Iraq.

J. Between September 1, 2002, and November 2, 2002, BUSH traveled the country making in excess of thirty congressional-campaign speeches in which he falsely and fraudulently asserted that Iraq was a "serious threat" which required immediate action, when as he well knew, this assertion was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth.

K. In his January 28, 2003 State of the Union address, BUSH announced that the "British have recently learned that Iraq was seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa" which statement was fraudulent and misleading and made with reckless disregard for the truth, in that it falsely implied that the information was true, when the CIA had advised the administration more than once that the allegation was unsupported by available intelligence.

L. In a February 5, 2003, speech to the UN, POWELL falsely implied, without reasonable basis and with reckless disregard for the truth, that, among other things: (1) those who maintained that Iraq was purchasing aluminum tubes for rockets were allied with Saddam Hussein, even though POWELL well knew that both Department of Energy nuclear weapons experts and State Department intelligence analysts had concluded that the tubes were not suited for nuclear centrifuge use; and (2) Iraq had an ongoing cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, when he well knew that no intelligence agency had reached that conclusion.

M. On March 18, 2003, BUSH sent a letter to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate which asserted that further reliance on diplomatic and peaceful means alone would not either: (1) adequately protect United States national security against the "continuing threat posed by Iraq" or (2) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant UN Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, which statement was made without reasonable basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that, as BUSH well knew, the U.S. intelligence community had never reported that Iraq posed an urgent threat to the United States and there was no evidence whatsoever to prove that Iraq had either the means or intent to attack the U.S. directly or indirectly. The statement was also false because, as BUSH well knew, the UN weapons inspectors had not found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and wanted to continue the inspection process because it was working well.

N. In the same March 18, 2003 letter, BUSH also represented that taking action pursuant to the Resolution was "consistent with continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001," which statement was entirely false and without reasonable basis in that, as BUSH well knew, Iraq had no involvement with al Qaeda or the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371.



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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 7:21:07 AM   
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You're using the Newdow ruling?



        That was where I ran across the phrase in question, Ken.  It has a nice ring to it, particularly when I find myself discussing these subjects with obsessive sorts.  I offered a source to more references as well, in the second link.

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 9:30:16 AM   
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Rich ---

Thought of an experiment you might want to try with your analogy: Take it back (or forward?) in time to the Clinton Administration. With Bill at the wheel, is the Republican Congress merely a "heckler" interfering with the safe travel of the automobile? Or do the merits of checks and balances suddenly come clear? To be a good model, after all, your analogy should work with a driver from either party.

Something to bear in mind: Our idea of the President as the sole, or even main, actor in American governance is relatively modern, I think. The framers, it's worth noting, treated the legislature first in the Constitution. So I think you need a model/analogy that recognizes Congress's rightful role.

This is fun!

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 9:45:36 AM   
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You're using the Newdow ruling?



       That was where I ran across the phrase in question, Ken.  It has a nice ring to it, particularly when I find myself discussing these subjects with obsessive sorts.  I offered a source to more references as well, in the second link.

Actually the SCOTUS website search returns no hits for the phrase. Using both hecklers and heckler's and searching for either spelling in even the same document as veto.

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 10:26:54 AM   
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I read the article and another about how the returning wounded are still not getting the proper medical care.  This is especially in the mental health area, remember some units are now on their 5 tour of duty in Iraq others have had their tour of duty extended as well.
 
The problem is not only with the Marines but with all branches of the service.  There was a book published in the early 80s called "Defeat, Inside the Military".  The book covered many problems in the Military.  One for example is how the Pentagon operates.  Few, if any Field Commanders, those with long experience in commanding units are promoted to positions in the Pentagon.  The Pentagon has become an "Old Boys" club in which those in the Pentagon retire to take positions in the Companies that supply the Military.   There was a movie, a comedy about a JAG officer investigating a Pentagon General releationship with the Company that was building the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, well it was all true, the General was faking reports and retired to work for the company which is based in San Jose California.  60 Minutes did an article on this as well.

In the Article the main reason for not supplying the units was it was not in the budget.  It sad to think that money is more important then life.  I served in the Army myself for 15 years and I think it has gone from bad to worse. 

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 11:47:43 AM   
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   The brakes and steering on this ride are already a bit squirrelly, do you think an impeachment at 75 mph is such a hot idea?



This statement makes it sound like you want to just cancel the upcoming elections.

This whole war has been an idiotic and unending boondoggle from start to lack-of-a-finish.  I have posted before that I bet AnencephalyBoy is kicking himself for not getting Congress to get rid of term limits while he had the chance.

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Edited to add "Or kicking himself for not making a new Constitutional amendment preventing a president from being removed from office during a war." 

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 6:05:47 PM   
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Rich ---

Thought of an experiment you might want to try with your analogy: Take it back (or forward?) in time to the Clinton Administration. With Bill at the wheel, is the Republican Congress merely a "heckler" interfering with the safe travel of the automobile? Or do the merits of checks and balances suddenly come clear? To be a good model, after all, your analogy should work with a driver from either party.

Something to bear in mind: Our idea of the President as the sole, or even main, actor in American governance is relatively modern, I think. The framers, it's worth noting, treated the legislature first in the Constitution. So I think you need a model/analogy that recognizes Congress's rightful role.

This is fun!

Cheers,

DC





      That's the problem with most analogies, DC.  Try and stretch them to hold more than intended, they blow at every seam.  For describing the attitude we have seen from some towards the Bush Administration, I think it fits very well.  Getting it to encompass all the subtleties of our system just isn't going to work. 

      You laid the trap of getting me to try very well, and I walked right into it.  Point; You.  Now I'm going to be stuck trying to defend this thing.  Fair warning, I also have a dinner out on the calendar this evening and a memo to hold a couple hours for the chance of friskiness and frivolity.



       Here goes.  Trying to put the legislature first, as a brother, in this ultimately doomed analogy, fails to account for the divided nature of that legislature.  Even without doing a Senate/House split, there are an absolute minimum of two sides which means the brother has to have a wife he doesn't agree with much.  To really do it right for the analogy, both would have to suffer from a multiple personality disorder (and, I suppose, the aunt would have to be bi-polar).


       As for the Clinton thing, I thought it was a cheap and crappy thing to do, that would have precisely the consequences we are living with now.  I voted for "Wild Bill" twice.

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 6:16:06 PM   
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You're using the Newdow ruling?



      That was where I ran across the phrase in question, Ken.  It has a nice ring to it, particularly when I find myself discussing these subjects with obsessive sorts.  I offered a source to more references as well, in the second link.

Actually the SCOTUS website search returns no hits for the phrase. Using both hecklers and heckler's and searching for either spelling in even the same document as veto.



        Really???  That surprises me.  I was in there quite a bit for a paper that dealt with the prayer issue a few years ago and found several references.  Just because I prefer a different style of discussion doesn't mean I want to post bad facts when I move in that direction.  I'll take a look at it again (though probably not until I get back to my high-speed connection in the office, on Tuesday) and let you know if I have better luck.  I seem to recall having to download some PDF's, but I was all over the place on that one.  The phrase "heckler's veto" wasn't a new one.

        Until I can figure it out, please accept my apology.

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 6:27:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

  The brakes and steering on this ride are already a bit squirrelly, do you think an impeachment at 75 mph is such a hot idea?



This statement makes it sound like you want to just cancel the upcoming elections.




       I have no idea how you could take such an interpretation from what I said, Sinergy.  I await them eagerly and am already involved with a particular candidate.  I can only speculate that you are projecting your own paranoia and fear onto my post.

      To grind this analogy further into the pavement, how does suggesting that trying to drag the driver from his seat while travelling, in ANY way equates to skipping a scheduled and MANDATED driver change down the road? 

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 6:38:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

As to a smoking gun. How about a breach of POTUS's oath and constitutional responsibilities commited in full view of most of Congress and millions of US citizens? What about directly authorizing hundreds if not thousands of violations of US citizens civil rights? The fact is impeachment isn't happening because the Democratic party leadership in Congress knows that not enough Republican senators would vote based on the facts of the case but instead would vote strictly in a partisan manner. So the Democrats are not engaging in a pointless exercise that would further poison the political climate. Pretty noble of them actually.



Exactly.

What amuses me is the people on the other side of the aisle tend to see their actions as proof that they are a bunch of useless, incompetent and/or criminal yahoos.

Perhaps they are trying to take the spotlight off the useless, incompetent, and /or criminal yahoos they have had running the show for the past few years.

Sinergy

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RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" - 5/25/2007 7:01:05 PM   
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That's the problem with most analogies, DC.  Try and stretch them to hold more than intended, they blow at every seam.


Agreed! I still haven't come up with an analogy that I truly like. 

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For describing the attitude we have seen from some towards the Bush Administration, I think it fits very well.


True. Of course, that's probably true for any administration. Even Washington got some really crappy press, which apparently irked him quite a bit.

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the aunt would have to be bi-polar


Too true! ROFLMAO.

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Fair warning, I also have a dinner out on the calendar this evening and a memo to hold a couple hours for the chance of friskiness and frivolity.


Good for you! Hope you have a grand time.

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