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All-Fours Restraint - 5/25/2007 1:22:09 AM   
DigitalNoise


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Does anyone know of a simple way of using every day common (well, to a BDSM household :D) items to create an All-Fours Restraint?

Bascially, I'm needing a way of keeping my sub on all fours (doggy style if you will) for an extended period without allowing her to move much.

A local dungeon that I've visited has a "bench" that can serve this purpose, but of course I'm not doing this at the dungeon, nor can I afford one of those benches or construct one myself (I live in an apt).

I've thought of trying to use pillows or something similar to support the stomach area and the normal wrist/ankle restraints, but I don't see how that would work medium-long term.

Does anyone have any ideas?


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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/25/2007 4:40:43 AM   
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For this trick, you will need 2 wrist restraints, 2 ankle restraints, 3 snap hooks, and a home-made spreader bar made out of a thick dowel rod with three loops (one towards the ends, one in the middle).

I usually do all of this on a bed, which is a padded surface, because the position might 'seem' at first difficult.

First, I'm assuming that the restraints are all 'on' the subject.  (Sheesh, does EVERYTHING need to be spelled out?)  The ankle restraints go to the two outer loops on the spreader bar with the snap hooks.  Figure out 4 feet or so between the two loops.  This should still be comfortable-ish for this position.

Next take the remaining snap hook and clip BOTH wrist restraints with one end.  Take the two arms and bring them down 'under' the body towards the ankle area.  The other side of the snap hook should be able to clip to the 'middle' loop on the spreader bar.

At this point, your subject should approximate an 'L' shape tipped over.  Their face will be somewhat 'buried' in the bed (always a good thing - add a blindfold and/or gag to taste), the back down to the middle or lower end is fairly flat on the bed (on the arms actually) and the genital area (including the ass) is raised up fairly high due to the position.  Anything you want access to should be RIGHT THERE, and some bonus areas should be spread more than normal.

What else could one EVER ask for?  Use away!!!

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/25/2007 7:06:01 AM   
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At this point, your subject should approximate an 'L' shape tipped over.  Their face will be somewhat 'buried' in the bed (always a good thing ...)


Unless your sub has a bad neck.  Then this is the position from hell.

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/25/2007 8:02:37 AM   
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Three possibilities that come to mind:
 

~  Find an ottoman or a low, sturdy table of suitable dimensions (you may have to adjust the height), so that the torso rests on it, and the wrists and knees can be attached to the four legs.  One consideration is that the person not rest so heavily on their belly or chest for so long that it causes breathing problems or nauseau.
 
~  Take a sturdy board and either attach hardware or cut holes in it, to be used as tie points.  Have the subject get on all fours, on top of it.  The board need be no bigger than to disallow the person from either reaching past the board to touch the floor, once they are attached to it, or (this part is important) from being able to tip the board over and roll with it, if they lean in any direction.  Their own weight will keep the board in place.  Use any form of attachment - cuffs with locks and chains, rope, whatever, - to attach their limbs.
 
~  Buy a collapsible wire animal cage big enough to contain them on all-fours, but not big enough for them to stand or lie down.  Put a board or thick pad under them, if the bottom of the cage is wire, too, to protect their knees and hands.  Once they are in the cage, on all fours, attach the wrists and ankles, to limit motion.  Then, if further restriction is desired, you can insert any sort of dowling into the wire grid, in one side and out the opposing side, such that it limits their movement.  In this case, the dowling would keep the knees bent, keep the torso up.

 
...Each of these set ups requires little storage space.  You may have to hide the cage, when it's folded down, and the board with tie points, if you don't want to explain them, but they could go in the back of a closet or under a bed, etc.
 
Presumably, you or someone will be at hand, during the entire time someone is bound this restrictively, for safety's sake, in case unexpected problems arise.

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/25/2007 8:05:33 AM   
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quote:

being able to tip the board over and roll with it, if they lean in any direction


*giggles*

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/25/2007 10:55:40 AM   
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A typical "folding bridge chair" should work. simply place head through the back, then tie knees to each front leg, and next tie the arms to the back legs. Simple? This should work well, chairs like this are available for about 10 bucks at target

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/26/2007 1:46:59 AM   
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my mistress has a farily simple rig she uses for me quite often.  its made from  iron pipe with threaded ends, like you can find at Lowes or Home Depo.  the simplest form would consist of a 48" piece, a T and 2 12" pieces and wrist and ankel restraints.  you attach the pipes to form a giant T shape, with the long piece forming the center and the short pieces forming the sides.  the ankel restraints are attached to one end of each short piece to keep the feet spread, and the wrist restrainsts are attached to the end of the long piece.  thus restrained i am forced to stay on my knees and elbows until released.  my mistress rig is bolted to the floor so i can not tip it over and lay on my side.
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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/26/2007 12:14:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DigitalNoise

Does anyone know of a simple way of using every day common (well, to a BDSM household :D) items to create an All-Fours Restraint?

Bascially, I'm needing a way of keeping my sub on all fours (doggy style if you will) for an extended period without allowing her to move much.

A local dungeon that I've visited has a "bench" that can serve this purpose, but of course I'm not doing this at the dungeon, nor can I afford one of those benches or construct one myself (I live in an apt).

I've thought of trying to use pillows or something similar to support the stomach area and the normal wrist/ankle restraints, but I don't see how that would work medium-long term.

Does anyone have any ideas?



Depending on how you want to support her, you can use up to 4 dowel rods with eyebolts in the ends to use as attachment points and keep her spread at the amount you want her arms and legs to be separated (just cut them to the width and length you want to make a rectangle of the dimensions you want).  Use cuffs to attach her arms and feet to the ends of two of the spreader bars (in parallel), then use the other two bars to set the distance between the arms and feet that you want her to maintain.  You can attach the eyebolts on the ends of the dowel rods (1" to 1-1/4" dia would be my recommendation for the dowel rods) with padlocks so that she can't take them apart.  I'd use climber's style snap clips for convenience or whatever you prefer for her feet; for her hands too if she can't reach them.
 
The only issue then becomes how you plan to support her body, unless you want her to do it herself using her arms and knees.  I'm sure you can figure that part out yourself using whatever you happen to have in your apartment or see at Walmart, Target, etc.
 
As an alternative to this, if you really want a "bench style", why not make a folding one?  Use a piece of plywood, attach legs with hinges that fold underneath it for storage, make crossbars that lock in place to steady it, then cover it with padding of some kind.  Again, use eyebolts at the feet and you should be all set!  Like the dog cage mentioned above, it should fold away in a closet or underneath the bed.  Just make certain it's solid when set-up, which is probably mostly a function of how securely you design the crosspieces and attach them to the legs when it's set-up for her.
 
Home Depot, Lowes, and most lumber yards will cut much of this to size for you, so just figure out what dimensions you need and then screw it together using hardware you can purchase from them.
 
Good luck!
 
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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/26/2007 4:51:35 PM   
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My Dom put a spreader bar plus two wrist restraints with a snap hook. From there he likes to loop a piece of rope around the snap hook and around the middle part of the spreader bar.

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/27/2007 8:55:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mstrjx

For this trick, you will need 2 wrist restraints, 2 ankle restraints, 3 snap hooks, and a home-made spreader bar made out of a thick dowel rod with three loops (one towards the ends, one in the middle).

I usually do all of this on a bed, which is a padded surface, because the position might 'seem' at first difficult.

First, I'm assuming that the restraints are all 'on' the subject.  (Sheesh, does EVERYTHING need to be spelled out?)  The ankle restraints go to the two outer loops on the spreader bar with the snap hooks.  Figure out 4 feet or so between the two loops.  This should still be comfortable-ish for this position.

Next take the remaining snap hook and clip BOTH wrist restraints with one end.  Take the two arms and bring them down 'under' the body towards the ankle area.  The other side of the snap hook should be able to clip to the 'middle' loop on the spreader bar.

At this point, your subject should approximate an 'L' shape tipped over.  Their face will be somewhat 'buried' in the bed (always a good thing - add a blindfold and/or gag to taste), the back down to the middle or lower end is fairly flat on the bed (on the arms actually) and the genital area (including the ass) is raised up fairly high due to the position.  Anything you want access to should be RIGHT THERE, and some bonus areas should be spread more than normal.

What else could one EVER ask for?  Use away!!!

Jeff


Using a second spreader bar for the wrists, and tying or clipping it at the desired length to the spreader bar on the ankles would allow an all-fours position instead of the face-on-the-floor tripod position.

I also have seen a really simple bondage item that might be what you're looking for. It's not much more than an "X" with cuffs for the wrists and ankles at the ends. I don't recall what material the X was made of, but it's very simple, effective, and takes up virtually no space. If I can remember where I saw it, I'll post it here.

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 5/27/2007 9:20:47 AM   
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That sounds more like a hogtie.  Or maybe you mean an x-bar?  Don't see how either one would put someone on all fours, though.

I think the simplest way to force someone to remain on all fours is to attach the ankles to a spreader bar, then put a collar around the neck and run a rope, taut, from the collar back down to the spreader bar.  That makes it impossible for the person to stretch out and relax.  (It also forces the ass up in the air--and if you want to be a little cruel, you can run the rope once or twice around the body, through the ass crack, before knotting it around the spreader bar.)  If you're worried that your sub will tug at the rope or try to flip over, you'll have to secure the wrists, too.

You can also be clever with four-cuff spreader bars (like this or this).  If you're willing to part with $149 (or try to build it yourself), you can use this lovely contraption.  It's like what collaredpup was talking about.  This fancier one is, in my opinion, needlessly complicated.

Oh, and if your sub is male, you can use a nasty thing called a humbler.

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

I also have seen a really simple bondage item that might be what you're looking for. It's not much more than an "X" with cuffs for the wrists and ankles at the ends. I don't recall what material the X was made of, but it's very simple, effective, and takes up virtually no space. If I can remember where I saw it, I'll post it here.

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 6/3/2007 9:34:30 AM   
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We use wedge pillow for this.  it is a triangular shaped pillow designed to keep the legs elevated during sleep.  Not too expensive,  vanilla and works well

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 6/4/2007 10:07:31 AM   
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Hee hee hee! I guess the little contraption he built for me a couple weeks ago isn't all that unusual!!

He built two spreader bars--much the way others have described here...dowels and eye hooks and attached my wrist/ankle cuffs to them. The only difference in the way ours is is that it has third dowel which vertically attaches between the two spreader bars to hold them in place. Works well because any girl who is even slightly limber can manueuver herself around quite well wearing a spreader bar (think of the opening scene of "The Secretary") but that third bar in the middle decreases mobility and practicality IMMENSELY!! It also eliminates the ability to stand fully upright making even just getting around the house to do something as simple as fetching a cocktail for your Dom a demonstration in patience, creativity, and determination.

If you don't believe me try making your way down a spiral staircase trussed up in this contraption! It was a good thing he wasn't dying of thirst! Took me no less than 45 minutes to make it down the stairs and back up. Coming back up the stairs was less difficult because the incline of the staircase helped me with leverage...BUT I was carrying a cocktail so it was pretty a draw!! LOL!!!

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 6/29/2007 9:31:31 AM   
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Maybe you'd like this:

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Here's the link to the website:
http://www.fetish.0catch.com/stockades.htm

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 6/29/2007 9:37:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

That sounds more like a hogtie.  Or maybe you mean an x-bar?  Don't see how either one would put someone on all fours, though.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

I also have seen a really simple bondage item that might be what you're looking for. It's not much more than an "X" with cuffs for the wrists and ankles at the ends. I don't recall what material the X was made of, but it's very simple, effective, and takes up virtually no space. If I can remember where I saw it, I'll post it here.



I don't see why that's difficult to picture. Fastening a hog-tie or x-bar in the front will force you to stay bent over.

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 6/29/2007 8:57:34 PM   
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Easiest way to confine her as described would be to buy a 6 foot folding ladder. Have her staddle the ladder resting on knees and elbows. Using rope as your medium lash her arms and legs to the frame of the ladder making sure to use the point above her elbow and above the knee. Avoid compressing the nerves at the lateral border of the upper lower leg (peroneal nerve) and at the grove between the bones of the lower arm (ulnar nerve). With the leg lashed at the point above her knee and mid-calf you create a fixed point where the leg cannot bend further. With lashing of mid-forearm and the area just above the elbow the arm cannot bend, creating a tension between the upper and lower limbs connectd by the torso. The ladder being ridgid will only allow the torso to flex which can be reduced by binding thighs and biceps to rungs of the ladder aft of the buttocks and fore of the arms. If so inclined you can also add additional stablizing ties behind the arms for the biceps and in front of the thighs to suspend movement forward and back. Pillows, small stools, or a wooden box can be added between the torso and the ladder to support the body instead of just arm and leg support.

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 9/6/2007 8:16:13 AM   
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~  Buy a collapsible wire animal cage big enough to contain them on all-fours, but not big enough for them to stand or lie down.  Put a board or thick pad under them, if the bottom of the cage is wire, too, to protect their knees and hands.  Once they are in the cage, on all fours, attach the wrists and ankles, to limit motion.  Then, if further restriction is desired, you can insert any sort of dowling into the wire grid, in one side and out the opposing side, such that it limits their movement.  In this case, the dowling would keep the knees bent, keep the torso up.


THAT is clever!

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 9/6/2007 8:37:05 AM   
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A small ottoman footstool and bindings.

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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 9/6/2007 10:45:09 AM   
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Ooh, I *love* that idea.  I think I'll steal it and add a rope or four to finish it off by tying my sub to the bed, while bound in that contraption.  Or perhaps, on the floor, on some sort of futon.

Oh, the possibilities...

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ORIGINAL: sincityprincess

Hee hee hee! I guess the little contraption he built for me a couple weeks ago isn't all that unusual!!

He built two spreader bars--much the way others have described here...dowels and eye hooks and attached my wrist/ankle cuffs to them. The only difference in the way ours is is that it has third dowel which vertically attaches between the two spreader bars to hold them in place. Works well because any girl who is even slightly limber can manueuver herself around quite well wearing a spreader bar (think of the opening scene of "The Secretary") but that third bar in the middle decreases mobility and practicality IMMENSELY!! It also eliminates the ability to stand fully upright making even just getting around the house to do something as simple as fetching a cocktail for your Dom a demonstration in patience, creativity, and determination.

If you don't believe me try making your way down a spiral staircase trussed up in this contraption! It was a good thing he wasn't dying of thirst! Took me no less than 45 minutes to make it down the stairs and back up. Coming back up the stairs was less difficult because the incline of the staircase helped me with leverage...BUT I was carrying a cocktail so it was pretty a draw!! LOL!!!


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RE: All-Fours Restraint - 9/6/2007 4:40:02 PM   
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How about over the coffee table.  Can use cuffs or rope, even plastic wrap at corners over the top, etc.  If you want padding add a towel, cushion, blanket, etc.   

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