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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/19/2008 10:52:40 PM   
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Wooo hooo.. high light desired text and automatically it quotes it for you. Must be something new i swear.


lol  nope ...but it is great


At All

what does TPE..the word actualy add to your life. There seems so much talk about it..over and over.
Do you come home and say..let TPE to day.
Or while having sex and slapping her/him..my god my god..I am TPE-ing him/her.
Or do you just live and enjoy beeing together?

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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/20/2008 3:57:17 AM   
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I think TPE is a false way of stating what actually occurs in M/s relationships.


Yes. Some background: http://www.enslavement.org.uk/tpe

Just as not many public bathrooms have baths, TPE doesn't mean the same thing
as the words spelt out and interpreted one by one.

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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/20/2008 4:02:10 AM   
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I notice often a term in BDSM is contradicted by it explantion...like TPE.
Either the term is not ok..or the explanation...or the people using it..lol

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A TPE (Total Power Exchange) relationship, sometimes described as an absolute lifestyle d&s relationship (that such relationships can actually be neither "total" or "absolute" is agreed





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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/20/2008 7:32:54 AM   
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At All

Does this mean that you're asking anyone to answer?

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what does TPE..the word actualy add to your life.
It defines the power structure of my relationship with my Master.  For a more detailed explanation of what that means to me, you can read my previous post, (http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1870127).
 
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There seems so much talk about it..over and over.

i think that when something is talked about repeatedly, it usually means that there are people who have questions about it and they are trying to achieve some understanding.  Or, it might be a controversial issue and people are trying to achieve some common resolution.  Is that a bad thing?

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Do you come home and say..let TPE to day.

No need to do that in this household.  That was firmly and mutually established when He and i came together to form this relationship.  It's how this relationship functions, daily and automatically, without any need for anyone to say anything about it, unless and until either one of us wants to change it, that is.

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Or while having sex and slapping her/him..my god my god..I am TPE-ing him/her.
Or do you just live and enjoy beeing together?
The second option would be correct for me and my Master, just living and enjoying being together, with Him having Total Power over all that i do and don't do, and in Exchange for giving Him the right to do that, i receive all the benefits of being His slave. 
 
Oh, and by the way, when He is slapping me, He doesn't say, "I am slapping her, I am slapping her", either.  But, He is still slapping me.  He knows it and i know it and that's all that matters.
 
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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/20/2008 10:45:40 AM   
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thank you very much. you answered everything I wanted to know.
I just wondered if people focus forcefully on the TPE itself..or just use it as the name for the relation they are already in.
And it is good to see you enjoy what you have .

"at all" I use when I am not replying to some one in particular.

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"I am slapping her, I am slapping her",

that would been weird if He did :P


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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/20/2008 3:47:26 PM   
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"I am slapping her, I am slapping her",

that would been weird if He did :P

i would probably start laughing, which would make Him slap me more.    Thanks for explaining the meaning of "at all".  i'm glad that i was able to answer your questions, at least as they pertain to my relationship with my Master.
 
And, in response to this post:
 
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ORIGINAL: Tanos

Just as not many public bathrooms have baths, TPE doesn't mean the same thing
as the words spelt out and interpreted one by one.

With regards to the way my relationship with my Master is structured, even breaking TPE down into the individual words and examining the literal meaning of each, it's still applicable.
 
to·tal
n.1. An amount obtained by addition; a sum.2. A whole quantity; an entirety.adj.
1. Of, relating to, or constituting the whole; entire. See Synonyms at whole.2. Complete; utter; absolute: total concentration; a total effort; (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003.) Works for me since, my Master has control over the sum of His power plus my power added together.  He has control over the whole (entire) quantity of His power and my power.  He has complete and utter power over me, as long as we maintain this power structure in our relationship. pow·er n.
1. The ability or capacity to perform or act effectively.2. A specific capacity, faculty, or aptitude.3. Strength or force exerted or capable of being exerted; might. See Synonyms at strength.4. The ability or official capacity to exercise control; authority.5. A person, group, or nation having great influence or control over others: the western powers.6. The might of a nation, political organization, or similar group.7. Forcefulness; effectiveness(The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003.) Again, works for me, since my Master has the ability to exercise control over me, which gives Him authority over me.   ex·change v.tr.
1. To give in return for something received; trade: exchange dollars for francs; exchanging labor for room and board.(The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003.) 
This also works for me and my Master, since i give Him the right to exercise Total Power over me, in Exchange for the benefits i receive from Him and from our relationship. joyOwned servant of Master David

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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/21/2008 11:24:25 PM   
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whew! I am reminded of a bunch of old ladied cleaning out an attic!



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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 12:17:57 AM   
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guess you did invite them yourself....as you are the Dom :P


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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 3:25:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanos


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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2
I think TPE is a false way of stating what actually occurs in M/s relationships.


Yes. Some background: http://www.enslavement.org.uk/tpe

Just as not many public bathrooms have baths, TPE doesn't mean the same thing
as the words spelt out and interpreted one by one.

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I thought I'd stick my nose around and do a little reading here.   The link above goes to an excellent article, it has very Common sense points.  Actually, TPE should have TOTAL COMMON SENSE applied to it as well.

Yes, I am one of those people that will use the TPE buzzword phrase.  Because it's a universal or common place term amoung people in the lifestyle.   The End of the Article, this what is it says in conclusion...

"terminological purity aside, people pursuing M/s relationships usually know what is meant by "Total Power Exchange" even if it's ambiguous when taken literally"

This is my lines of reasoning for using TPE when talking about M/s relationships.   Clearly anybody who has Common Sense or experienced in M/s relationships, knows the implications and points made in this Article. http://www.enslavement.org.uk/tpe

It's simply become a defactor standard catch phrase for something. Yes, it sound smore extreme and has a trendy ring/vibe to it.  


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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 3:46:29 AM   
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people should focus on the relation..not how they call it. Who cares....  :P..just have it as you want

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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 4:58:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

Actually, TPE should have TOTAL COMMON SENSE applied to it as well.

Or, how about TOTAL COMMON OBJECTIVE, since both my Master and i are in this relationship for the common goal of building a life together in which He has Total Power over me, within the relationship?  (Also, i have found that 'common sense' isn't always that common.)

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Yes, I am one of those people that will use the TPE buzzword phrase.  Because it's a universal or common place term amoung people in the lifestyle.   The End of the Article, this what is it says in conclusion...

"terminological purity aside, people pursuing M/s relationships usually know what is meant by "Total Power Exchange" even if it's ambiguous when taken literally"

This is my lines of reasoning for using TPE when talking about M/s relationships.   Clearly anybody who has Common Sense or experienced in M/s relationships, knows the implications and points made in this Article. http://www.enslavement.org.uk/tpe

It's simply become a defactor standard catch phrase for something. Yes, it sound smore extreme and has a trendy ring/vibe to it.  

A lot of people will often use words or terms that really don't have any meaning to them but, they simply hear others using them.  A term or a word has no meaning, in my view, unless it has meaning to you, personally.  If there isn't a personal attachment to it, maybe it's not the right one to use.  That's why i don't use words like, 'sub frenzy', or 'ultimate authority transfer', other than in a conversation with someone who is using those terms, because they have no meaning in my personal world. 
 
i use the words that are a part of my personal vocabulary because they are words that fit for me.  i don't make blanket statements, using those terms, about everyone.  i use the terms that best describe my view of my life.  i have no concern about whether others accept my views about my life or don't like the words i use to describe my life.  i just don't understand why anyone would want to abolish the universal use of a term, just because it doesn't work for them.  To me, that is simply turning a blind eye to the fact that some people see their own life in those terms and not in someone else's terms.  Agree to disagree about things but, to simply want to do away with something just because it doesn't fit for you?  mmmm........that doesn't sit well with me.  Restrict my use of the words that i choose to use to describe my view of my life?  mmmmmmm.......really not my cup of tea.
 
To me, words are not, in and of themself, the 'ultimate answer'.  The 'ultimate answer', if there ever is one, lies in understanding and words are simply the means to arriving at that understanding.  Sometimes that understanding seems to be very simple such as in, "It's raining", simple enough, liquid precipitation is falling from the sky.  But, then you walk outside and find that it's actually a full-fledged hurricane. 
 
Let the words simply be a door to further understanding our different perspectives and different ways of living.  See a door marked with a word or group of words that have no clear meaning to you and open it and look around and ask the person behind that door, "What does this mean, to you." and, hopefully, walk away with a broader view of the world.  What's wrong with that?  Is this a too idealistic way of looking at things?  Maybe so but, i won't apologize for being an idealist.
 
BTW, Owner4SexSlave, this wasn't all directed at you, it was just that what you wrote stirred my own thoughts and i used it as a springboard to further express my feelings on this topic. 
 
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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 6:04:38 AM   
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i am curious as to why this thread was necromanced?

but it was really neat to see the progression of thought and heart in many of the folks we know around here....

i would be curious to reread my postings back when i was a slave...its amazing how time and perspective shift things, and priorities change to reflect them....

fun trip down memory lane.....~amy



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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 8:23:19 AM   
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i am curious as to why this thread was necromanced?




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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 10:39:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

i am curious as to why this thread was necromanced?

but it was really neat to see the progression of thought and heart in many of the folks we know around here....

i would be curious to reread my postings back when i was a slave...its amazing how time and perspective shift things, and priorities change to reflect them....

fun trip down memory lane.....~amy




I'm guessing because someone had a question or an interest in the topic, did as folks often suggest and "searched for the topic" and then commented on it.

Frankly I'd rather see a continuation of "old threads" than the same topics being brought forth under different guises.

This isn't a closed group, it's an Internet site and the people in it change all the time.

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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 10:57:17 AM   
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I've thought from the start that the expression TPE was a pompous way to describe, and didn't do anything to explain the addictive magic that occurs in D/s.

I don't use the expression regularly, but since it is the expression used and shared on the web and in conversations I clear up what it means to both of us before we interact or scene.

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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 1:45:16 PM   
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I've thought from the start that the expression TPE was a pompous way to describe, and didn't do anything to explain the addictive magic that occurs in D/s.


Considering the late Jon Jacobs was one of the more vocal (now THAT is an understatement) proponents of TPE.  I don't think pompous is too extreme a term to use.

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RE: TPE = Totally Pointless Expression? - 5/22/2008 8:02:58 PM   
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I resurrected it because a local group is having a discussion centered on "TPE relationships" this week and it got me thinking about it and I decided to share the essay with the group to get my thoughts and feelings out in the open in the appropriate forum rather than having to bite my tongue or push things elsewhere.

And I just happened to notice that it was three years ago exactly to that day that I had originally written and posted it, so figured that was a sign of something and jumped it back up.

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