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Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/29/2007 9:54:06 PM   
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I'm looking for someone who makes or sells (or knows someone who does) a modular (i.e. relatively easy to put together, take apart, and move) wooden bondage frame. This would be used for full, partial, and inverted suspensions. Specifically not those metal ones that look like spiders. Any links would be appreciated. Also, made to order/custom is perfectly fine.

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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/29/2007 11:24:37 PM   
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Give yourself a little ttime there is a wonderfull furniture maker who will be vending at SELF since you have already made plans to be there Cecil makes some very good stuff. If you want a preview of his work there is a link on the SELF Website under vendors.
Dungeon Designs is the company name.

In Leather

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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/30/2007 6:49:06 AM   
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i'm not aware of anyone who has this, and it's beyond my abilities, but a few things to think about...

How high do you want it to lift, how much ceiling clearance do you have, and how much floor space can it take up? How often would you be taking it apart? Does it need to be portable by one person, or would you be able to get a second or third person to move larger components? Is there a maximum single-piece size (to get through hallways or into a vehicle)? Do you need to be able to attach an electric hoist to it, or will you be using ropes/pulleys? Can it be anchored to a wall or ceiling at any point, or does it have to be fully free-standing? What is the maximum weight you want to design it for?

These are all things you'll need to decide if you are gong to have something custom-built, and would also be helpful to have figured out before doing any serious shopping. If you haven't already, of course

Honestly, my first thought was that you might need to do the Walmart thing and outsource this to China... you'd be amazed at what can be done with bamboo, but not everyone knows how to work it correctly.

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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/30/2007 6:57:59 AM   
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Wood, portable, and suspension don't go well together.  As much as I love wood, 4x4s are the smallest I would trust to do suspension from and even then only over a short span, plus you need a large base for stablility. 

Metal frames will be lighter and more sturdy.  If there is a certain look you are going for, you could always have someone paint it or some other way of making it more attractive.

Permanent wooden frames work well but mobile ones would depend on how big the guys moving it were.

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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/30/2007 7:55:16 AM   
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quote:

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Wood, portable, and suspension don't go well together.  As much as I love wood, 4x4s are the smallest I would trust to do suspension from and even then only over a short span, plus you need a large base for stablility. 

Metal frames will be lighter and more sturdy.  If there is a certain look you are going for, you could always have someone paint it or some other way of making it more attractive.

Permanent wooden frames work well but mobile ones would depend on how big the guys moving it were.


A 2x6, edge up, is a stronger horizontal member than a 4x4, and lighter. While steel is, in theory, stronger per unit of weight than wood, in practice taking advantage of this may require a great deal of triangulation. Simple, lightweight steel member tend to be more flexible than their wooden counterparts, and while less likely to break, are more likely to fold.  It tends to be expensive to put together tubular steel elements in a way that can be easily disassembled and reassembled, and bolt-up with wood or other steel elements is pretty similar. 
With any material, making a solid, wobble-free frame is largely a matter of good design. With loads under three hundred pounds, and center-loaded spans less than 8 feet, I think wood would generally be an easier (and lighter) material to work with. Good bracing and proper joint design are the keys.


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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/30/2007 9:36:55 AM   
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Steel isn't stronger and lighter in theory, it is so in fact.

While a 2x6 is SLIGHTLY lighter than a 4x4, the need for additional bracing in order to take advantage of its additional rigidity would eliminate any weight advantage.

300lbs is a static load, get a 250 pound guy moving and there is a LOT more stress and that stress is tortional in the direction of the weakness of that 2x6.

Again, portable and suspension just don't go together unless you restrict your playing to little girls and young skinny boys.

In order to provide any sort of rigidity to a 2x6 frame you would either have to start with 24 quarter stock or laminate three 2x6s together.  That would give you decent lateral strength. You could do some fancy timber wedge joints but that is beyond most people.  Then you would have to brace that to some horizontal spans on the floor in order to provide stability.  So again two sets of three 2x6s laminated together.  So a total of 13 eight foot 2x6s isn't exactly my idea of light and portable.  It does have the advantage of being easy for your average person with a chopsaw and a drill to build out of simple construction timber.  Ugly as hell, heavy as hell, but portable if you have a couple spare knucle draggers to help out.


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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/30/2007 10:02:47 AM   
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Thanks for all the responses.

Archer, it's actually for my Steve, he's been having trouble finding someone who makes a frame (people he knows stopped making them, etc.) he's ready to buy one right now and unfortunately can't make it to SELF. But I'll be there and hopefully can take the info back to him so someone can design one to his specs.

Petdave, we've already thought about these things, now we just need someone to sell us one ;)

SimplyMichael and CitizenKane, thanks for the input.  I've been to enough events that have disassembleable wooden frames to know that it is possible.  I'm not talking about "portable" in that is has to be easy to put up and down, only in the sense that if we move apartments next year we're not stuck wondering how the hell we're going to get it out of there.  Of course at the very least we'll have 2 people available to move it.

As for weight bearing ability, he tends to suspend very small girls, I'd say 140 lbs or less. He himself only weighs 160, for the times that he'd be the bottom. Either way though, unimportant, I think the kind of frame we're thinking of would be built for safety's sake, to hold many more times what you actually expect to suspend.

Again, thanks!

Again, thanks for


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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/30/2007 5:58:09 PM   
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I mentioned before, your typical well made horizontal bedframe as sold in most vanilla shops can be turned into a vertical or angled bondage frame bolted to the wall for about $5 worth of hinges.

Wood is the most flexible for making changes. But in term so size per strength, steel will win everytime.

Plus you can openly ask even the most vanilla salepeep, for a frame that is strongly made and can take a lot of use and abuse, as it'll be a question they get asked everyday.

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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/30/2007 7:03:40 PM   
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Most doorways are 80". And hallways and stairways cause additional problems.

However you state you only need it to come apart for moving, like when YOU move, not to take it to parties and such. This does simplify things a bit.

I like to design things, and know how, I haven't built anything lately so perhaps I'd take this on. As such I have a few suggestions at the very least. If you were to commision me to build it I guess I would have to take my own advice. I see you are in FL, so I would endevor to make it UPS shippable. Coming apart, the length of the pieces would be the only problem, not weight. It could be broken down into smaller packages. Does anyone know offhand just how long of a package you can ship via UPS or for that matter something, anything other than truck frieght ? Perhaps I go find out later, but for now, deal with this.

Ever see a swingset ? Now I am fully awar that a swingset does not take that nuch stress laterally. The swing generally do not swing that way. However them kids on it do weight considerably more than their body weight when swinging. Even the usual swingset could be modified to take the stress. But you want wood.

Don't be afraid to use metal with the wood either.

So you start with the usual swingset type design, but the is special bracing. These braces could be used for more attachment points. To use the design I currently envision, it would be 2X6s. It may be up to double the width of the human body, and the top would be two 2X6s on edge.

Remember sawhorses ? They make the special braces for those, and on a larger scale, for buildings, which are designed for 2X6s and are quite strong. But you use bolts, not nails.

The width should equal the height, and there is more than one reason for that. To do suspension it is obvious the height must be higher than human height. But also, normal human body span between fully extended paralell arms is approximately equal to the person's height. This means that you would be able to restrain the sub's hands with their arms at full extension, whether suspension is the gam de jure or not. They could be suspended by their feet, and with their arms restrained in that manner, well just imagine it. I think you want this feature even if you don't use it right away.

This is not all that hard to do, and actually if you think about it, if you don't have really high ceilings, anything has to be able to be broken down and reassembled.

With attachement points at the center of the sides, you could have a couple of different frames, an X frame, and perhaps a square one for more fun, like this device I saw at The Grid-n-Orbit. This thing had straps for every part of the body, and how it is, there is no need for locks. I was looking at it thinking, yeah pretty cool.

Later when I saw it in use, wow. You unlock the bottom and the whole thing flips over freely. I mean in the direction where if your head is moving forward and your feel are moving back. When I saw her keep him in the face down position for like 10-20 seconds or so, I was thinking, he is really hoping those straps don't break. And they were worn out as a 100 year old saddle that's been in continuous use.

So you get your sub upside down on the frame, if you restrain their hands to the sides they will also hope everything holds, no matter what their level of discomfort.

Make it a little wider and you'll be able to suspend a sleepsack between the sides, but if there needs to be a breathing tube you'll need a method to keep the sub from getting tangled or pulled out. That can be as simple as a long tether anchored to the floor and attatched to a side of the sack, or you can tighten it up and there will be no turning.

This would be easier to do if you have a saw and can use it. I could then just make the top and the braces. I could send a template to use to cut the bottom of the 2X6s before putting the feet (or wheels) on.

I dunno, I might build it, and they will cum.

I just had to throw that in.

T

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RE: Wooden, modular, bondage frame - 5/30/2007 8:57:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If you were to commision me to build it I guess I would have to take my own advice. I see you are in FL, so I would endevor to make it UPS shippable. Coming apart, the length of the pieces would be the only problem, not weight. It could be broken down into smaller packages. Does anyone know offhand just how long of a package you can ship via UPS or for that matter something, anything other than truck frieght ? Perhaps I go find out later, but for now, deal with this.


Per your request, sir -
Standard non-freight max shipping size is: "108" in length; 165" in length plus girth (L+2W+2H)." (http://www.fedex.com/us/services/us/ground.html)

Shipping large boxes daily at work can come in handy!

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