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RE: Castration - 6/6/2007 9:49:57 AM

Aswad

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

In pre-Christian times in northern Europe, the statue of the Goddess Nerthus (possibly analagous to the later Anglo Saxon Eostre) [...] and the initiate priests, in an act of devotion to the Goddess would castrate themselves to commit to her service.

Interesting. Let's not give the Catholics any ideas. Chastity will do nicely.

That said, I'm pretty sure other faiths have done the same in the past.

And then there's the bit about castrate singers ... ~wince~

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RE: Castration - 6/6/2007 10:00:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: nonu

[...]It would have more to do with me giving up something very valuable for Her, [...]

That is one of the reasons I've heard that makes a lot of sense.

In fact, there are women who have used the same line of reasoning about clitorectomies in the past. Going by what I've heard, as I don't have any experience with it myself, this was more common with lesbian D/s couples than heterosexual femsub couples, though. Kind of like with ink rubbing; not very common elsewhere, IIRC.

Similarly, branding is after all a third degree burn, yet many like the idea. Me and nephandi certainly do.

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1. To enable Her to cuckold me without limits.

One would then assume you're talking about a penectomy as well?

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2. To ensure that my devotion towards Her is not related to seeking carnal pleasure out of Her.

Also makes a lot of sense, particularely for a male sub, given that a lot of men have fairly strong sex drives, sometimes to the point where it influences their motivations a lot. Kind of a "purer" form of submission. (N.B.: Not saying "purer" in the sense that there's anything wrong about sex or libido, but in the sense that it's more D/s-centric than sexual. And not a value judgment.)

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It does seem a bit depressing, considering that it's an irreversible process, but still turns me on, thinking about the extra 'power' i would be giving to my Lady by willingly giving away something so vital.

The irreversibility of the process is actually not so much a concern, in many ways, as the result. There are significant changes that the body and mind will undergo after such a change, due to the very different hormone balance, unless one goes for replacement therapy, which kind of defeats the point in your case.

I'd contend that neither penis nor testes are vital, even to the sexual side of a relationship, if there is one. But it's a significant gesture in either case. I don't know about "power", though, and the turn-on has to be "put on hold" to consider things, IMO.

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RE: Castration - 6/6/2007 10:19:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: MistressTaboo

He is a confident secure man who feels he could serve me better if he didn’t have all his hormones pushing him to think about his dick. We do long term chastity play and even with it locked up he takes a while to focus on me instead of his dick. He also loves the idea of not being able to cum easily. It also falls in with his cuckolding fantasy.

If you haven't "gelded" him yet, you might want to consider chemical means of acheiving the same. Serotonergic agents, among other things, tends to cause much the same things. Among the legal ones, there's St. John's Wort, the SSRIs, and so forth, while the ones to stay away from (illegal) are things like MDMA.

If you like the idea of the passivation that can sometimes happen, then that can also be induced by reversible means like benzos or barbs. Or, for those who are less concerned with health risks, one can always consider the neuroleptics.

Don't know what you're after, though, and whether you've already got it, so...

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I find it funny that a group of people who think nothing of flogging someone till they bleed or some other kink are upset by someone else’s kink. Yes, it’s permanent. But then again, so are tattoo’s.

Just because I winced at the idea of hammering my nuts doesn't mean I'm upset.

And I didn't get the impression anyone else was, either.

Permanent is fine, though I'd suggest a better comparison than a tattoo, such as a brand, or even amputating a hand. The effects on the body can be pronounced, speaking as someone whose testosterone was down to that range for a while, for entirely different reasons.

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Now the guy who wanted me to flog him while quoting the bible and telling him how far he’d falled from God’s grace…now he was a freak! *grins* Just kidding. But he taught me that everyone has something that’s kinky to someone else and never to judge anothers kink.

Well, the thread "For those of a christian bent" contains a fair collection of quotes to throw at him, like things about women being submissive to their husbands (which he'd obviously be failing to live up to at the time). Just don't start giving him any of my ideas from that thread, or he'll go tits up and sink. ~lol~

Now I get why they don't have priestesses in the Catholic church, and why there's that whole celibacy-thing. With all the religious kinks out there, they'd never get anything else done than boggling at all the requests. ~g~

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RE: Castration - 6/7/2007 8:40:10 AM

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Interesting topic. As a slave i've never wanted to be castrated. i've wanted to keep what i have.
However it seems that Women like to use threat of it to put me in my place. Not long ago my Domme had a Woman over who said She grew up on a farm. She said She had castrated many animals and even tow men. I doubt this was true but i don't know.
Anyway as She fondled my balls she explained to my Domme how much more docile i would be once the balls were removed. i was scared! my Domme told me that it's the ultimate punishment, so i better watch out.

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RE: Castration - 6/7/2007 8:46:40 AM

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Interesting topic! As a slave boy i've NEVER wanted it done. i want to keep what i have.
But some Domme's have used the topic as a way to scare me into being more docle. Yes, it works.
Not long ago my Domme had a Woman over who says she has castrated two men. She says she learned to do it on the farm with farm animals.True? maybe, who knows.
But as She fondled my balls She explained to my Domme how much more docile i would be once the job was done.
Was the whole act done for show? Maybe. My Domme says it's the ulitmate punishment, so i better watch out.

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RE: Castration - 6/7/2007 9:25:52 AM

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What lil i know on the subject.. come from reading Anne Rices book Call to Heaven. Very interesting. And while fiction, it is based on fact. Look up "castrati" on any search.

From reading the book, one walks away with the idea that castration, even on very young boys, didnt always succeed in stopping male hormones, nor the process of puberty, in all those whom it was performed on, so one wonders why a grown man would think it is a guarantee that being castrated would mean they will be more docile.. calm.. or ???

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RE: Castration - 6/9/2007 1:42:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: velvetpetal

From reading the book, one walks away with the idea that castration, even on very young boys, didnt always succeed in stopping male hormones, nor the process of puberty, in all those whom it was performed on, so one wonders why a grown man would think it is a guarantee that being castrated would mean they will be more docile.. calm.. or ???

Basically, the hormones are produced in more than one place, but the bulk of them are produced in the testes. Getting rid of those will reduce the testosterone levels significantly, generally down to a female level. Sometimes lower, as a woman has her ovaries to convert other hormones into testosterone.

It will not necessarily make anyone more docile.

It will, however, cause physiologic and mental changes.

The exact extent of these changes is a bit too complicated to go into here, but there is a significant likelyhood that it will make you more compliant / docile ("take the fight out of you") and that it will significantly lower your sex drive, if not eliminate it altogether. Look it up on the net, if you're curious. There's probably a lot of info there, much of it complete BS, but some of it should be good.

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RE: Castration - 6/9/2007 1:53:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: pantages

But as She fondled my balls She explained to my Domme how much more docile i would be once the job was done.

If making you docile at the expense of your health is acceptable to her, she can drop me a line if she'd like.

I have found several chemical means to achieve just that, and most of these are less risky and much more likely to be reversible, plus she gets to keep your body intact. Also, these approaches aren't likely to cause legal problems, unlike castration. I'm rather reluctant to expound on the idea on the public side of the board, though, as certain people might be inclined to use it in an inadvisable manner.

It may not be to her liking though, as the majority of these approaches make you a lot more docile and compliant than castration would. And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it, but if castration is an option for punishment, I'm guessing it's for her to decide.

I don't use these on anyone at the moment, though, as I prefer a challenge.

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Was the whole act done for show? Maybe. My Domme says it's the ulitmate punishment, so i better watch out.

If she considers such a high-risk punishment viable, there's a lot of other options as well. Castration is not the "ultimate" punishment, even among those who do not cause more permanent damage than castration does. And castration is risky.

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RE: Castration - 12/29/2007 3:11:58 AM

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This is exactly my mindset on the topic...the thought of this never entered my mind until i met a eunuch, who actually showed me the empty sac...i respected the commitment to change oneself to this degree...even though this particular eunuch had other issues, the thought of giving ones body so completely to another is one that is very deep...when i think of being a slave to another, i think they should own all....including the slave's sexuality and body...and it's theirs to do with as they choose.

This is something that would only happen, as nonu mentioned, in the context of being owned by someone i trusted to give myself to the degree mentioned above...will it ever actually happen? probably not...and even if they did wish to own me to that degree, is this something they'd want for (and this is important to me) for their own reasons?...as if they didn't, then they might just be fulfilling what that think is a personal fetish of mine...if this is to happen, i want them to want it because they wish to do it.

As always, your mileage can, and probably will, vary.

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ORIGINAL: nonu

Castration, to me, would be part of a committed relationship where my Lady and i both agree on me living without my testicles. It would have more to do with me giving up something very valuable for Her, than to get rid of a part of my body.

It would happen only if W/we both decide that O/our relationship would be for a lifetime, and that W/we wouldn't regret later. It would probably be with the following 2 goals:

1. To enable Her to cuckold me without limits.
2. To ensure that my devotion towards Her is not related to seeking carnal pleasure out of Her.

It does seem a bit depressing, considering that it's an irreversible process, but still turns me on, thinking about the extra 'power' i would be giving to my Lady by willingly giving away something so vital.

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RE: Castration - 12/29/2007 9:20:00 AM

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I've always thought that desires ought to be harnessed rather than ended. One can effectively emasculate with a chastity device and utilize the retention of the desires in a much more creative way than castration.

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RE: Castration - 12/29/2007 9:24:17 AM

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This is true...for me, it's only something i'd want if the owner wanted it for me...not something i wish just for it's own sake...and yes...i agree...what you mention is very valid....and another way one's manhood might be stripped from them...this is just the thread that was started....and for me, it's not a limit.

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RE: Castration - 12/29/2007 5:32:04 PM

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*Fast reply*

Having been in a misguided relationship that might have ended up in a hormonal(chemical) castration. I am strongly of the opinion that anyone asking for it has no idea what they are getting into and has put little to no thought into what might come after. Most of them, I feel, are misguided fantasies gone astray and to extremes from lack of involvement in a meaningful relationship and or physical contact of any type of intimate nature. Having been close to that brink, I would NEVER want to be anywhere near it again nor do I have any such desire to have lose that side of my life.

That said I do think there are legitimate people out there who do want it. For those people I think it is extremely important to see a counselor, if it's a gender identity issue then the person will have someone to talk with and a safe avenue to explore what it is they really need to be whole, without making life altering actions. For those who are not subject to a gender identity issue, I think counseling should still be sought. To determine what the cause of the desire is, perhaps it is simply a chastity fetish carried to extreme due to mental wanderings and fantasizing without actual human contact/interaction. Admittedly I could be totally wrong on all of this, but I do think that people left to their own fantasies and desires with a semi long term lack of physical affection and any type of trusting relationship, will slowly grow their own fantasies tot he extremes as the previous version becomes less effective at arousal due to prolonged absence of the afore mentioned touching/relationship.

To sum it up, basically those people to to find someone (even a Pro) and have some semblance of a relationship with to ground themselves and their desires. Should the desire still be present for castration then I would suggest counseling in order to determine safe methods and recourse.

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RE: Castration - 1/30/2008 6:51:20 AM

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This is actually a fantasy of my husband. He said that it is something that he's wanted for many years now. He's gone as far as finding where to get all the necessary tools and such. But his reasoning for it is chastity and knowing that I'm the only woman that would have him after that, because he'd bee too embarassed to even think of approaching another woman knowing that it may lead to sex and then he'd be found out. But I think that each has their own reasonings for it.

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RE: Castration - 1/30/2008 7:09:03 AM

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Out of all of my former topics to come up, I didn't expect to see this one!

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RE: Castration - 1/30/2008 7:34:57 AM

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Hmmm... When I was younger, I briefly had castration fantasies. As I've gotten older, it's something I don't have any more. *shrugs*

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RE: Castration - 1/30/2008 8:19:13 AM

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in my humble opinion, this has far more effect as a threat than as a done deal. i have always had the inclination that castration would remove a factor which my partner finds pleasurable.
certainly not my goal, but as they say, to each his own,
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