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RE: Global warming?? - 7/9/2007 7:42:06 PM

Lordandmaster

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That would be the truth if you meant this literally. Unfortunately, I think you meant it figuratively.

Juuuuuuuust wondering...what exactly have you read about global warming? You sound so knowledgeable.

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its causes are even more up in the air

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RE: Global warming?? - 7/9/2007 8:19:37 PM

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Glad you appreciate it.

Too much to cite. You can take my views for as they are, or you can challenge my notion, saying that you have proof of global warming and that humans are causing it. I sort of doubt it, but, meh, maybe you know what the world's been looking for?

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RE: Global warming?? - 7/10/2007 6:20:01 PM

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"Too much to cite" my ass. You could start by citing SOMETHING.

Global warming hasn't been "proven" only in the sense that synthetic truths can never be "proven." (I assume they've taught you in school about the difference between analytic and synthetic, right?) Tobacco companies preyed for decades on the same confusion in the American mind when they kept declaring that the link between cigarette smoking and cancer hadn't been "proven." Today, energy companies (and their lubricated allies in government) are trying the same tactic.

Evidently they've even managed to convince a few young geniuses!

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Too much to cite. You can take my views for as they are, or you can challenge my notion, saying that you have proof of global warming and that humans are causing it. I sort of doubt it, but, meh, maybe you know what the world's been looking for?

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RE: Global warming?? - 7/13/2007 9:19:18 PM

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Heh, if the July issue was bad, the August issue is crushing.

"The Undeniable Case for Global Warming (see page 64)," it says, right on the front cover.

OK, so I turn to page 64, and what's there? An article by five scientists laying out the basis of the latest IPCC report (which says, basically, that global warming is real and dangerous). Where do these guys work, you ask? OK, one's at Berkeley; one's at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology; one's at the Met Office in the U.K.; one's at the NOAA Earth System Research Lab in Boulder; and one's at the University of Washington.

Damn, where oh where can we find good unbiased science confirming that global warming is just a nefarious hoax? Even the scientists don't know how to conduct good science anymore. I say we go back to faith-based scientific inquiry!

Let's see now, marc2b has called me an ideologue, Estring has called me a Kool-Aid drinker, and Sicarius (who seems to have withdrawn) and CuriousLord both calmly declare that the evidence is complex and uncertain. Right. I can believe a senior scientist at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, or I can believe some guy on the internet who calls me a Kool-Aid drinker.

Guess which one I'm gonna choose.

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The July, 2007, issue of Scientific American wasn't a good one for global-warming deniers.

First there was a report that a Dutch team has failed to reproduce the controversial results, announced earlier, that plants produce significant amounts of methane, and now dispute the other team's findings (p. 16). Even on Collarme, self-anointed experts have used the methane canard.

Then there's a creepy article about all the hurricanes we've been experiencing (pp. 44-51). What's causing all these strong hurricanes? Warmer oceans. What's causing warmer oceans? You guessed it...

And finally, just in case readers haven't gotten the point, there's an article about what the earth would look like if human beings were removed (pp. 76-81).

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