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After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/8/2007 6:41:46 PM   
zavalfuin


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A new element and dimension was recently introduced into my relationship with my Mistress. The CB2000, it's not the latest version in the series but still there should be quite a few with experiences or thoughts on it.

I'll get to the point fairly quickly, after a few days or even after the first initial days this became a big dispute. To say the least I was having severe problems/issues with it. I'll admit that it has it's benefits from a sexual point of view, it does make you more sensitive, makes you long for her touch and the times you get out of it in a whole different matter than before wearing it. The sexual part of it is not my issue. My issue is that it in my feeling cripples my "normal life" outside the sexual. I find my confidence and selfesteem about going outside vanishing slowly, I do not want to go outside, I want to stay inside, secluded and secure. I know that it isn't necessarily visible or in any other way obvious to other people, but that has never either been a part of the dispute. The dispute revolves what mental effects it has on my overall personality outside our sexual interactions and that it keeps me from living a part of my life I love too much to give up.

Aside from the allready mentioned general effects of not wanting to leave the apartment/house to go out it involves not being able to jog/run, this to a physical degree since the belt obviously isn't made for that sort of sudden bouncing or high-speed movement without pinching, restricting certain movement or in other ways causing discomfort. Being able to go to a gym to workout, something that I could not bear wearing the belt. I wouldn't put myself in that situation. There's also more mental effects, I have a really hard time to relax or to recharge my batteries due to the stress or uneasiness it causes me in overall interactions with the world.

Worth mentioning might be that it was me who got us the chastitybelt as a surprise, and I know by giving her the belt she felt empowered and now when I'm going back on that she feels disempowered. I can understand the easy logic in that, but I'm also the kind of person that if I don't have certain freedom I cannot give in and give that power to someone else either. Unconditional surrender was never within my ability to give.

This has the last week left us at somewhat of an impass, and it is causing great stress on the base of our relationship. Is there any other ways to give her that feeling of power? Is there ways of substituting the powerexchange of a chastity belt? Am I being too sensitive? Do I have a right to to react and set certain boundaries, and even if I have, how can I possibly find any peace in that knowing that it is a dissapointment to her? I'd be glad for any helpful suggestion or perspectives I can get. It doesn't necessarily need to be advice, just give your opinion and I'll be happy for that.
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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/8/2007 6:50:55 PM   
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It is the mental aspects of how it effects the sub/slave that i hope to explore with someone. I can say it will take a very particular person to be able to do this long term because of the effects on personality, thought and who the person is. I don't think you should feel bad because it didn't work out. I know it is difficult for both of you to deal with and has to feel like failure on both sides, but it's not and you can and will make it through this together.

Best of luck

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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/8/2007 6:58:34 PM   
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Has this only been a week? To be honest, you seem a little high strung here. Why don't you try to work with it longer and give yourself a chance to adjust? Perhaps discipline yourself to get over your fears about leaving the house, etc. Maybe as you get used to the device physically it will be easier for you to run and so forth in it. Perhaps you can share your fears and difficulties with your domme in the context of working together to get over it, not necessarily backing out of wearing it.

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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/8/2007 7:30:48 PM   
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Could you not negotiate some sort of compromise here, a Win/win?
You wear it at home, so she controls your leisure.
You don't wear it outside the home, as that's your other life (substitute another reminder of her owndership like a chain or collar)
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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/8/2007 8:08:55 PM   
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Some quick answers to some thoughts..

To "subexploring"
It has been less than a week even. I wouldn't fuss if it didn't rub the core of my existence in the wrong way and if I thought it could go away, allmost contrary I fear my feelings will just get worse. Physically I can assure you it will not give in terms of jogging/running. A sprint is not a sprint if you loose half of your momentum running bowlegged. Rest assure my Mistress is well aware of this and that we talk, we're fishing for help/solutions on here cause we don't honestly know how to exactly approach the problem.

To "LadyHeart"
The deal initially was opposite, she would have me wear it when she wasn't around to to have the control over me when she wasn't around. Only wearing it inside defies that point abit, cause that would mean that I who spend most of my days around our house would have to have a key to it in case I need to go out. So that, from a controllperspective for her would be like me not wearing it at all.

I thank you all for your responses and I hope to hear from you and many more again. It's comforting knowing that people wishes to help and share their thoughts/knowledge.

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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/8/2007 9:23:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: zavalfuin
To "LadyHeart"
The deal initially was opposite, she would have me wear it when she wasn't around to to have the control over me when she wasn't around. Only wearing it inside defies that point abit, cause that would mean that I who spend most of my days around our house would have to have a key to it in case I need to go out. So that, from a controllperspective for her would be like me not wearing it at all./quote]


That may have been the initial deal, but if it isn't working it can be changed by mutual negotiation. Agreements aren't meant to be set in concrete. It doesn't have to become a power struggle. I observe that your Mistress is posting on the same topic in the Mistresses forum. I made the same observation to her - that you are genuinely unhappy, you wish to please, but this particular toy isn't working the way either of you expected it to. You can still reach a compromise here. Where there's a will there's a way.
My thoughts are with you both.
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LH

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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/9/2007 4:32:28 AM   
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Are you jogging and sprinting at work everyday?  Really, wearing it at
work during the day shouldn't be a big deal, you should look at it from
a different perspective, like that it's not noticable, it is sexy and it makes
your Mistress feel powerful too.  Feel confident that you are making your
Mistress happy.  Maybe just wear it to work M-F, then slowly expand
your usage....

I wore a CB2000 for a while, the most was 3 days without coming off.
I didn't like it either, though I wasn't bothered to go outside, I found it exciting
to go to work or shopping while wearing it.  And you can pass through
metal detectors with the lock on.
I find them to be comfortable if you're not getting excited and erect, if
you're not wearing tight jeans or trying to do physical work.
Chastity devices are really a myth, a real belt doesn't allow cleaning,
a CB2000-3000-curve can easily be slipped out of in the shower,
only truely effective with a PA piercing.  If you are like me and go
from 2" to 8", then no device will allow for painless growth, without
being some large bulky device.  Really, it's just another toy, you either
like or you don't.


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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/9/2007 4:37:14 AM   
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I had this interest big time as soon as i found out about chastity devices that were realistic.  So I bought one and my wife/Domme and i experimented for 6 months.  She was not particularly tunred on by it, but i loved it.  Except I could not wear it for long periods.  Rashes would develope or my work life would interefer.  Yet I craved this.  So after 6 months, i got a brainstorm of solution to this dilema.

I promised to never ever play with myself again, except under her specific direction.  That was 6 years ago, and i am still going strong on this.  In some ways it is much better than a device.  In some ways a device is better.

But in talking to others, I think very few can really give up that much control.  At times, i find it very difficult, on a number of levels.  So I can understand and beleive that while he may have initially thought it was hot, the day to day reality was too much and not a turn on for him.

As others have said, communication is the key.  Use this as a learning experince.  Debrief.  find out what was good, bad, and ugly for each of you.  Ponder this for a while.  then try other things.  Everyone has to find their own way, and it takes two to dance.

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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/9/2007 6:35:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: zavalfuin
My issue is that it in my feeling cripples my "normal life" outside the sexual. I find my confidence and selfesteem about going outside vanishing slowly, I do not want to go outside, I want to stay inside, secluded and secure. I know that it isn't necessarily visible or in any other way obvious to other people, but that has never either been a part of the dispute. The dispute revolves what mental effects it has on my overall personality outside our sexual interactions and that it keeps me from living a part of my life I love too much to give up.


I've read your Mistress' post in the "Ask a Mistress Forum" and came here specifically to find yours to see if I could learn more and perhaps provide some suggestions to you in the process.  My first suggestion is that if you haven't already done so, that you discuss these feelings in detail with your Mistress, and also search within yourself as to why they are there. 
 
Obviously, I don't know you, but I suspect you may have some kind of fear about others discovering that you have given control of your sexuality to your Mistress and that may be at the root of your fear of going outside.  There may also be some kind of shame you have which you associate with wanting to give this control to your Mistress.  The term "pussy whipped" comes to mind, as was often used by others to derrogatorally describe a man who let his girl friend or wife control him in my day.  Perhaps you may have some kind of fear along these lines?  I really can't say either way.  It's something that only you will know inside and will need to decide for yourself if you wish to continue to have that fear or instead decide to be proud of being the submissive man that you are toward the woman that you love.
 

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Aside from the allready mentioned general effects of not wanting to leave the apartment/house to go out it involves not being able to jog/run, this to a physical degree since the belt obviously isn't made for that sort of sudden bouncing or high-speed movement without pinching, restricting certain movement or in other ways causing discomfort.


Having raced bicycles in days gone by, I can relate to the predicament you describe, although I've never worn a CB-2000 and had to contend with how this affected my ability to train.  It seems to me that if you want to please your Mistress, that the simplest thing here would be to alter your routine of when you run.  So, if it's important to her that you wear it, then arrange a time for you to run when she is home to unlock you so you can run at that time.  In doing so, she loses your service as her submissive during that block of time, but also gains the sense of empowerment that your wearing the device gives her when she's away from home.  Perhaps that might be a compromise that both of you could live with?  Could you perhaps get up extra early in the morning and run at a time before she leaves for work?  I don't know how long or often that you run, but these are ideas I'm just tossing out to help you find your own points from which to compromise.
 

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Being able to go to a gym to workout, something that I could not bear wearing the belt. I wouldn't put myself in that situation. There's also more mental effects, I have a really hard time to relax or to recharge my batteries due to the stress or uneasiness it causes me in overall interactions with the world.


Okay, I have to say that I think this is more related to what I said initially and not what I said about running.  It seems to me that its about a fear of being discovered wearing a device where your wife controls your sexuality while in the gym.    To me, that's an issue that you will eventually need to deal with if you're to continue in this lifestyle.  Otherwise, you will spend the rest of your life living in shame of who you actually are on the inside along with the fear.  Give up that fear of being discovered and any shame about being submissive to your Mistress, and you'll feel a great weight being lifted from your shoulders. 
 
A good jockstrap should hide the CB2000 and still allow you to work-out from what I've understood from reading the experiences of others (try the well know chastity discussion & device review site whose name escapes me at the moment).  But if you feel it's more a case of being similar to running, then perhaps approach her from that point of view.  As to the stress you're feeling, perhaps you simply need to ease into wearing the chastity device a bit slower.  I believe I understood you to be wearing it during the work week, but not at night.  Perhaps you need to start 1 day per week and then add an additional day each week to help you ease into it more gradually.  That's just a suggestion, and only the two of you can decide what works best for you. 
 
I'd compare it to jumping into to the deep end of the pool while learning to swim vs. starting at the shallow end and slowly or progressively working your way toward the deeper end.  You put yourself in a "sink or swim" situation and found it didn't work for you.  Now it's time to talk to your Mistress and have the two of you re-think your strategy on how to reach your mutually desired goals.

 
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Worth mentioning might be that it was me who got us the chastitybelt as a surprise, and I know by giving her the belt she felt empowered and now when I'm going back on that she feels disempowered. I can understand the easy logic in that, but I'm also the kind of person that if I don't have certain freedom I cannot give in and give that power to someone else either. Unconditional surrender was never within my ability to give.

This has the last week left us at somewhat of an impass, and it is causing great stress on the base of our relationship. Is there any other ways to give her that feeling of power? Is there ways of substituting the powerexchange of a chastity belt? Am I being too sensitive? Do I have a right to to react and set certain boundaries, and even if I have, how can I possibly find any peace in that knowing that it is a dissapointment to her? I'd be glad for any helpful suggestion or perspectives I can get. It doesn't necessarily need to be advice, just give your opinion and I'll be happy for that.


To my way of thinking, all submissives have rights, and each relationship between Domme and sub is unique to them.  They're entirely negotiable and will change with time as circumstances change.  You're feelings are real, and for that reason alone, that makes them valid for now.  Understanding them is the key to your growth as a man and the growth of your relationship with your Mistress.  Its her responsibility to understand her own feelings and be responsible for them as well.  She can't read your mind and obviously you can't read hers either (as much as we might like to think otherwise).  Communication is always going to be the key!  If both of you know how you feel, and hopefully why you feel the way that you do, it's much more likely that you'll be able to find a solution that will satisfy both of your needs.
 
For her to help you, and vice versa, you need to begin by being totally honest with her about your thoughts and feelings.  I think that's something that every Dominant deserves from their submissive.  A D/s relationship can't exist without it and quite honestly, most others can't survive very well either!  Once you begin to talk openly and perhaps offer some alternatives or "try to think outside the box", I'm confident that the two of you can work something out that will indeed create a "win-win" situation.  No one likes to feel as though they've "lost", especially when it comes to a Domme (trust me on that one!).  But, it she loves you, as I think she does based on her post, she'll be happy to find some common ground where both of you can feel happy and move forward from there.
 
I hope this has given you something to think about and provided some useful suggestions.
 
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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/9/2007 11:34:56 PM   
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Mate i can completely relate to what you're saying. i'm not wearing the CB2000. i got the 3000 instead but same psychological effect.
i was pretty nervous and scared to step out the door with it on because i thought others might be able to see it and laugh at it. But the reality was, they couldn't.
In the end, i just thought "ah screw it" and just went to uni with it on and it was pretty exciting and i'm glad i did it =)
You could try doing it slowly. Just get in your car, go for a bit of a drive and pump some petrol and go back home. Then possibly you can go to the movies or shops with it and then you can wear it to work.
In terms of physical activity, you really do have to take it off. It's a horrible feeling running around, sweating down below and constantly scratching it.
Another problem you might encounter is skin irritation. Ask your Mistress if you can be unlocked from it once every couple of days in the shower to clean the cage and your crotch...trust me, it will relieve the skin irritation.

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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/9/2007 11:44:24 PM   
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I think if you haven't already you need to discuss this with your Mistress. I am sure the goal of this is not to make you feel restricted to the house and if that has become the result then maybe she will have some suggestions of ways to make you feel more comfortable. If not then maybe you two can discuss a compromise in when you wear it. If the goal was for her to leave you with a reminder of her control when she is not there then there might be other ways in which to do that. I personally find that a command is enough to make me feel owned. If you want a more physical reminder then perhaps a collar or something personal to the two of you. It sounds like a discussion of what the ultimate goal of the CB2000 might be in order. Good luck.
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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/9/2007 11:48:51 PM   
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Just going by what you wrote it looks like you prefer to be humble and submissive at home but outside because you feel you lose "confidence" you don't want to wear it out. Sounds like your a bedroom submissive. But if that's not it and you just feel shy and uncomfortable then yes you need to try it longer and get used to it. After all it's whatever your Mistress wants that's important. Right? Try it longer and make some sacrifices for your Mistress to please her, then talk it over but without a "dispute" or argument. A good slave always remembers his place.

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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/10/2007 4:07:34 AM   
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While this one isn't locking, finding a belt like this might be an option.
http://www.mr-s-leather.com/cgi-bin/mr-s/L048.html
I do know they make locking ones (I'm looking for one) and it should allow you to run and exercise without fear and discomfort. It sounds like you lead an active enough lifestyle that the device you bought isn't for you, but there are certainly other chastity devices and a bit of research might find one that you can both agree to try and see if it works. That empowers you and your Mistress both to search for a solution now that you have offered the control of chastity up to her.

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RE: After the CB2000 - a subs point of view? - 6/11/2007 8:24:40 AM   
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To SadisticMan
Had you taken your time to read above posts you would have had the answer to your question. As I mentioned before, I spend most of my days in or around our house, that includes working. And even if not, that is the coreproblem. That I am not comfortable wearing it publicly, not because I think it shows, but because of the mental aspects and how it affects my normal persona in those situations. And even if I do spend most of the days in the house, I do venture outside frequently on either my own behalf or my Mistress behalf which makes those kind of interactions more than necessary.

To pixelslave
You bring up many interesting aspects to consider and think about. Thank you for a very long and extensive answer. I do think though that even if other people and thoughts of public display play into my mental aspects that they are essentially a problem with my own persona. I gain alot of my confidence, power and mental momentum by selfprojecting myself. It's the way I've lived and survived in both good and bad all my life. It's become a way of life, and when something disturbs or interfers with that I recoil. We are communicating, so I can only wish/hope that we will find a compromise that is mutually accepted.

To AcademyForSlaves
I resent the wording "bedroom submissive" not because what the term relates to doesn't exist but beause my will to please or serve her is not limited to the bedroom or sexual needs. But that doesn't mean that I wish everything that happens between us in more closed settings to follow me out into our other reality. Regarding that whatever my Dominant wants is what's important.. Sure, but again that doesn't apply to everything not even in a D/s relationship. A Dominant who constantly runs over his/hers submissives opinions/principles/trust/limits would quickly find themselves very powerless. That is not said with any sort of implication, it's basic mental dynamics.


It's time to return to contemplation and thinking. Thank you all who have posted for your responses, both me and my Mistress greatly appreciates the outside perspectives.

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