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Chicken sandwich - 6/10/2007 10:30:22 PM   
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I'm sure you know my position on health care. But that is not the subject de jure.

I order these double chicken sandwiches and I deem them to be relatively healthy.

If you were to take it apart ind put it on a plate, you would have two chicken patties, breasts, and some lettuce and a couple of slices of tomato. You wouls also have a roll, or bun.This is not really a bad meal.

Remember this is a double chicken sandwich, and it is not from McD's or Burger Kong. It is from a pizza place that is a sole proprietorship.And they have good stuff.

I can't say it is totally healthy because I don't know what king of oil they use. But I am still alive so that is a good sign right ?

Cmon, anybody ....................................................................................................LOL.

Anyway, I like to be strict with food. No sugar. This chicken does not seem to have any sugar in the breading. And none at all as far as I can detect. And I can smell a teaspoon of sugar in a cup of coffee from the next room. I am not bullshitting, sugar is like poison to me.

Actually sugar is poison to everyone but they won't listen, so there is no point in starting shit about it.

You know if you have diabetes, and are on medicare, the cost of your testing supplies may be covered. That's right. And Liberty is a medicars participating provider, and when it's time to reorder they wil remind you, and remind you and remind you and remind you and remind you and remind you.

Don't worry if you're dead, one of your kids will probably give us your money just to shut us the fuck up. We never stop, there are plenty of people out of work, we will employ them to try to get those last few dollars out your wallet.

Meantime, ask your doctor just how many more fucking pills you could possibly take in one day. Y'know how they hd the Pepsi generation ? Well now it's the pill generation.

Say no to drugs, but ask your doctor about all these pills, even though we don't even tell you what they are supposed to cure.Make a list, ask your doctor about killyastine, quadrimimc X, biodeath 2 and this nasal decondgestant we get from grinding up dead fish, and pay us alot of money for this fucking trash.

I prefer to eat a chicken sandwich.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/10/2007 10:33:06 PM   
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There was a report on the news a while back that said the McDonalds Ceaser Chicken Salad had more grams of fat then their Big Mac lol.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/10/2007 10:50:39 PM   
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SuperSize Me said the only item on the McDonalds menu with 0 sugar is the French Fries....

Sugar is everywhere.  For the record, it isn't "poisonous." Your body will break down any carbohydrate until it's basically "sugar" and "other stuff." I know that these days, sugar isn't sugar.  It's all sorts of chemicals and such, and I have no doubt there are people allergic to sugar (not in a diabetic way). 

From your post, all I can really say is "Yep... Chicken sandwiches sound like a good idea."

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/10/2007 11:06:39 PM   
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You mentioned breading and oil. Anything that you coat in breading to absorb the oil you are going to drown it in, is not exactly what I would call "healthy". You also mentioned that the chicken is two "patties". If you mean minced or ground chicken instead of solid breast meat that would make it even less healthy. Slap those babies on a processed white bun and top it with some cheese, some ranch or some mayo and you actually have a pretty dang "unhealthy" sandwich.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/11/2007 2:57:38 AM   
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You can always go to Fitday.com and enter in exactly what your sandwich is made of. 
It will break it down by nutrients, calories and fat percentages.
Quite an eye opener with some things! 




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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/11/2007 6:16:42 AM   
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I am diabetic so I have to think about what I eat before I eat it....there is very little healthy about fast food...sad but true.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/11/2007 6:20:21 AM   
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i stopped worrying about healthy eating a long time ago. i want to enjoy my food without thinking about calories, cholesteral or caffine. we only live once...as far as anyone knows

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/11/2007 11:51:31 AM   
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OK, no they're not chopped, they are breasts.

I am not 100% sure, but I do believe there is indeed sugar in McD's fries. Had a diabetic friend who told me some places spray the fries with sugar water before freezing. Then they are deep fried at a lower temperature but they appear to brown because of the sugar. I can't vouch for the validity of this but it does make sense, and seems to explain why you can't quite make them the same at home.

There was a Woman who did the talk show circuit who gave recipes for alot of popular things people buy ready made. Like HOHOs and a few other things. I think she was a little off on the Kentucky fried chicken, but was close. Actually Kentucky fried means put in an oven. Actually I think I am damn close to figuring out the 11 herbs and spices.

And a White Castle all beef burger ? Uh-huh right. It is thinned with milk and flavored with beef bullion. But because those are cow products they can claim it is all beef legally.

Whatever you do you can't be 100% successful at eating healthy, but that doesn't mean don't try. There is a shitload of things I on't eat. In fact yesterday it caused an argument. I go downstairs and the olman is making scalloped potatoes. The problem is I had pasta the previous day. I limit foods high in carbs to once a week. That was met with "Go home then, fuck you I am never cooking again". It was not the first time. Never cooking again means until next week or so.

I don't care, my health is more important. His Sunday dinners have kind of fallen apart because I am sick of mashed potatoes. The cookouts have decreased in frequency because quite frankly, I got sick of steak, even filet mignon. One time it was pretty cool, we had a bunch of them on the grill and when they were done we just ate them with our fingers using paper plates. Didn't have anything with it. Of course we were half drunk at the time. Of course people always show up unexpectedly, so we offered them one. If they hesitated "That's filet mignon dude". (pronouced fill-et mig-non of course) Then it's "Do I get a fork and knife ?"., "Hell no, y'don't need it". And you didn't, they were nice and tender.

Then there was the time our buddy shows up with a bunch of chicken. Then realizes we have no BBQ sauce at all. Tell you what, that chicken was damn good. It sorta turned me off to BBQ tasting the food like that. Even now, I go to a BBQ they make me some without sauce.

There is one problem with my diet though. There are so many things I will not eat that I am now tired of most of the things I will eat. Actually I am getting a taste for lobster, but that is one of the things I have no interest in cooking and cleaning myself. Now that the Ground Round is shutdown I'll have to find a place with a decent surf-n-turf. There were two Ground Rounds in the area that knew how to make a steak how I like it, which is called black and blue. That means charred black on the outside but still cold on the inside. And I don't want it started frozen so it takes a very hot grill. When I make a steak for myself it is literally almost touching the coals. (I don't use a gas grill, nor do I want to)

Then I select the smallest baked potato of the bunch, and make sure to eat the skin. Need a dark green veggie with that too. If I eat the potato I pass on the rolls or anything that resembles pasta or rice.

And we buy bread from a local bakery (Mazzoni's), not the supermarket. Usually anyway. Those square sponges they sell, I avoid if at all possible. That's nothing but a food holder IMO. If I fry up a burger and the only bread available is like wonderbread, I'll plop it down on a plate and eat it with a fork.

The chicken sandwich that I order is nothing like, say McD's. The bun doesn't have that sickly sweet taste. The spices are way different, in fact fairly close to what I use when I make my own. And I order them with cheese, but I did ask "Now that is not cheese food right, it is real 100% cheese and has the real seal on the package". "Yes Sir it does". Ok gimme cheese on it then.

Yes, the cheap cheese in the house was at least $6 a pound. I can't stand cheap cheese food, it tastes like wax compared to the good stuff. Actually most of the American cheese out there is really watered down cheddar. Well I prefer the cheddar not watered down. It makes a big difference and I don't care that eight slices are over three bucks.

I don't care what they do though they will not do better than my killer chicken sandwich.

I take the breast out of the freezer and only partially thaw it. Then I take a bread knife with the double tipped end and stab the hell out of it, then I get it very wet. Then the spices go on (almost in). White pepper, thyme, garlic powder, onion powder and a tinch of cheyenne and dill seed. Then flour covers it with a light breadding. It is then fried in hot bacon grease. Don't say OMG bacon grease !, it's not like you're drinking it.

It's like when the olman had a stroke, they said try to keep around or under 2000 mg per day sodium. Well he wants to make a pot of chili and added up all the sodium content of the ingredients. Well he forgot to divide. There may well be 20 grams of sodium in the pot of chili, but are you eating it all in one day ?

Of course I gave him some of my seasalt, but he is too stubborn to use it. He will sometimes cooking, but won't go through the pain in the ass to grind it for table use. Well I will, because I simply will not use the refined salt.

So the place I get the chicken sandwiches from makes them about the best I've seen, other than mine of course, and I have no interest in french fries except maybe once a month. So I tried the onion rings, but I detected sugar in the breadding so those are out. Usually I wind up getting a salad. I used to get quesadillas from that place, but I got tired of them. Once I tried them I had them every time and I still like them, but I am sick of them right now. They are also over a dollar each, so it doesn't pay to get them if you're not going to eat them.

No matter what I have tried I cannot reheat a quesadilla correctly. I mean I got this very old toaster oven that gets nice and hot. I can reheat french fries and have them come out better than when they were fresh. (on the occasions I do have the fries once in a while). What to is to preheat the toasteroven to 400 degrees and dip the leftover fries in water. This method works for alot of things, but it just doesn't do quesadillas right, I don't think anything can.

I think the most unhealthy thing I eat is a romanburger. Yes, one of my few last junk food items. I get them with double meat, minus oil and tomatoes. I limit this to once a week or less. Good thing too, I usually take a couple of buddies with me and rarely get out of there for less than thirty bucks.

Trying to eat right without doing most of your own cooking is indeed a challenge at times. Just remember that default that I don't think will kill you real fast :

Chicken sandwich.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/11/2007 8:26:21 PM   
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That would be a healthy meal if you have grilled chicken instead of breaded/fried, and have it on 100%whole grain bun or bread, and add some more veggies to it.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/15/2007 8:34:01 PM   
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The main problem is that I order out alot. I have gotten tired of cooking. And when you order out there can be anything in it. Like today, it's going to be an Italian sub and chicken wings. I don't know what's in that sauce, and I don't even know what is in the sauce I am going to put on them. I don't know if the meat packing house used good salt or regular table salt to cure the meat.

Nobody can watch everything, but I know about the big problems. I could've ordered a burger and fries, but I didn't.

Yes it is true I did not order the chicken sandwich, but I did order chicken wings, and sure as hell I am going to eat the gristle and cartilage, as well as any marrow I can get to. And the Italian sub is like an antipasto on a bun.

This is not a burger and fries, I'll let you know if I live.

Be well.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/15/2007 9:05:40 PM   
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quote:

I am not 100% sure, but I do believe there is indeed sugar in McD's fries. Had a diabetic friend who told me some places spray the fries with sugar water before freezing. Then they are deep fried at a lower temperature but they appear to brown because of the sugar.



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Anyway, I like to be strict with food. No sugar. This chicken does not seem to have any sugar in the breading. And none at all as far as I can detect. And I can smell a teaspoon of sugar in a cup of coffee from the next room. I am not bullshitting, sugar is like poison to me.



As a person who cannot be as liberal with my carb- and sugar-eating as you are, I can tell you unequivocally: The breading on the chicken has sugar. Also, you have about a 70% chance of having the chicken breasts in a food service facility be packaged in sugar solutions or have sugar injected into them. I have not been able to find a FS supplier that does not have not-sugared chicken boobs, but about half of the stock at any grocery store is safe for me.

And there is no sugar on McD's fries. It's a sodium water solution meant to seal out freezer burn. That may not have been the case more than 5 years ago though. Also, it makes zero sense to cook the fries at a lower temp--the industry is all about FAST FAST FAST, and trying to find ways to cook things for less time on higher temps. In the last 5 years, McD's fries have been cooked at gradually higher temps for gradually (slightly) lower times, for a total of 50 deg higher and about 30 sec less time since I started working there the first time.

Sorry, pet project. :)

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/15/2007 9:30:51 PM   
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Their breading SEEMS to have no sugar, by taste. I am very sensitive to it and if there is, it is very little. I did detect it in the onion rings and no longer order them. There are also alot of sauces I avoid, most of the BBQ sauces.

I can't say I ever tasted sugar an McD's fries, but it almost seemed like a hint in retrospect. You see I haven't eaten their food since you been there. I stopped a long time ago, and I would bet real money that the owner of it would not eat the food, except maybe a salad without dressing.

When I started really tasting food and got more precise with my use of spices it was like my taste buds became enhanced a bit. I detected the secret ingredient in Lawson's chip dip. This was years ago and I think two things happened, one I had not had any for a long time, and that they screwed up just a bit and put too much in, but I am sure of it.

Now I am not sure if Lawson's chipdip was ever maerketed nationally, but if you were in Cleveland years ago, this was the shit. Nothing, and I mean nothing even came close. I mean people would go but their chips and whatever elsewhere and make a special trip to Lawson's to get the dip. No shit. And I was not the only one. Later Lawson's got bought up by Dairy Mart, and they couldn't do it, they brought it back. I think to this day they still sell the original Lawson's chipdip. They bought the recipe or whatever.

The secret ingredient ? Cheese. Not very much, noirmally you are not aware of it, but that is what it is, or was. Sharp cheddar cheese thinned by water until it was a similar viscosity to the sour cream, and thinned out enough to be added cool. Their spices in it are about the same as decent Italian salad dressing.

Really, want chipdip ? Get the sourcream, an onion soup mix or whatever else, melt some cheese in some water, not much, just enough to keep it in a liquid state at room temperature and pour it in. Mix the whole mess. If you really want it like the old days throw it back in the fridge for a few hours at least.

Finding out how things are made is a triple edged sword. First it loses it's novelty, then you can make it, but then you might find things in it you don't want to eat.

But I do think it is better to know.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/15/2007 10:21:55 PM   
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They probably added sugar to the chicken...lol

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/15/2007 11:31:52 PM   
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I thougth white bread had some sorta sugar in it or is it the white flour that makes it unhealthy?

As for sugar being 'bad' for you, lol. Sugar has 15 calories per teaspoon, its not that bad. And for those of us with a VERY high almost allergic reaction to artifical sweeteners, its safer by far. Splenda can interfer with some medications, so its not safe, and artifical sweeteners can case migraines among other things, not to mention that they are chemicals and artificail so the body reacts to them differently. Stevia (sp?) works well, its very concentrated adn a little goes a long ways, its much healthier than sugar or the artifical stuff [Splenda is considered an artifical sweetener].  

The chicken sounds good, WITHOUT the breading, go for grilled instead, its healthier, the fat drips off. Get the chicken sandwich 'low carb' style without the bun if possible; or just get 1 chicken patty instead of 2, that will help.  As for your chicken sandwich being 'healthy' not in my book, a few modifications would make it healither.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/16/2007 3:16:09 AM   
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s, I am so glad you came around. You and I seem to be almost diametrically opposed, but did your teeth cap themselves ? What I am doing seems right for me, and I look forward to debating the subject.

A nice non-insulting, polite discourse.

Choosing my words carefully :

It is clear that you research the issues, and go with accepted scientific theory. Some would call that thinking inside the box, but shall not at this time.

The base of my reasoning is that researchers are misled, and not only that, they are directed towards certain results by those who pay for those results.

So I adopted a different theory, one based on that which works. And although I didn't really follow their way, I talked to a few old folks, with a shot of whiskey in one hand and a Lucky Strike in the other. How did they live so long ? Well I drew my own conclusions.

Are you sick to death of hearing about mineral deficiencies ? well you are alot sicker of the mineral deficiencies themselves I assure you. I asked one time if there was just ONE other person on this board who does not take any medication at all, other than me, and I got nothing.

Let me cite a prime example, diabetes. The minerals, which cannot be created, chromium and vanadium are components of the isulin your pancreas secrets (hopefully). If they got you on the pill, get all the chromium and vanadium you can, from food AND supplements.

Most of the most common diseases have a counterpart in animals. I don't exalt the guy, but Dr Wallach did bring some things to my attention.

So if you're one to subscribe to the vitamin crowd, you might want to point out the roots of the word. Vita (life) and min (Earth, or of the Earth). It is the minerals we need and precisely what we lack most of the times we get sick.

This theory of mine is based on true reality, and many other sources of data than, for example Dr. Wallach. I have already gone well beyond him, and my advanced theory is ready, but not to be brought out right this minute. There is background involved before an explanation would be fully meaningful.

I can simplify thusly, if the diet doesn't match the individual's needs, there will be problems.

But this whole thing involves the whole history of mankind, and is quite elaborate. Yes I gave it alot of thought. Some might say I have too much time on my hands, but if so, who is to think about the direction of humanity's future ?

Yeah, I can do it, I can go through the whole Alice's Restaurant and Massecre about how when Man ceased to be nomadic, the farmaland he used got played out. And how salt, natural salt, not the shit on your table, got to become actual currency, because it was life. And how that is the root of the word salary (salarum).  

And there is a lot more, alot. I have been researching this for years, and I have correlated personal info, family info, and other info I gleaned from the condition of friends and everything. I also have most of the info backing it up.

And I made my own KCSs (KillerChickenSandwich) the other day. In bacon grease, but remember I am not drinking the stuff. It seems to sear it and help keep the juices in, that is a good thing no ? You need some fat, it's just the sources I prefer are those they had 100 years ago. Of course 100 years ago they made it, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Bacon grease or marganrine on toast, I would just pass on the toast. Get it ? Maybe not yet.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/16/2007 3:27:58 AM   
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Fast reply on sugar and french fries: they may not have sugar, but the starch does pretty much the same thing to your body.
 
Sugar? Give me fat to eat, any day, as long as it isn't trans-fat.
 
Heart attacks used to be incredibly rare, back before mankind began developing frankenfoods, and people back then ate plenty of fat. Lard, butter, cream...... if I remember right, Woodrow Wilson's personal physician once commented that he went an entire YEAR in residency at at hospital in Massachusetts without seeing one single heart attack.
 
We, since the 1960s I guess, have reduced our fat intake a great deal. The result? We're more obese, and more unhealthy, than ever.

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/16/2007 10:27:47 AM   
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Lev, frankenfoods, I like that term. Yes I have heard it before.

One of the main things the industry has screwed with is fats. And it didn't start yesterday either. Crisco and margarine have been around for a long time. If one were to plot a graph showing hydrogenated fat use and refined sugar use per capita, one would find a correlation to certain diseases. But not to jump into post hoc ergo propter hoc here, I must explain this, as it relates to my theory.

Sugar does not rot your teeth. Not at all. Never did. Sugar causes tooth decay through inducing a form of osteoporosis. I guess it does rot them, but it does so from the inside. But remember this is affecting every bone in the body, and teeth are bones.

Sugar does this by speeding up certain metabolic processes beyong the body's needs, and thus wastes valuable mineral content, even simply by speeding up the digestive process, the intestines are not given enough time to absorb all the mineral content in what one has eaten, even if they do eat a diet rich in essentials.

But it does more than that. By making the pancreas also work overtime, it is like what a drinker does to his liver. Now let's touch on alcohol for a secind, because it is very similar to sugar. Sugar is CHO and alcohol is CHO, so what is the difference ? Does alcohol really destroy the liver ? No. Does sugar really destroy the pancreas ? No.

The use of these substances without an accompamying diet that is richer in essentials will bring on these problems, because it is the deficiency of the essentials that kills organs.

Pile on top of that these frankenfats that combine with some of the essentials in the intestines and render them unabsorbable and you have a recipe for a big doctor bill. Olestra is about the worst culprit, and actually has the effect documented, yet it passed FDA muster for whatever reason. That is yet another subject, how they get away with it.

And then we have the use of powerful dessicants in table salt to prevent clumping which not only cause the sodium in the so called salt not to be absorbed properly, once in the system, has a negative effect on all essential mineral absorption.

So to sum it up, get it through your head, these slow poisons do not kill by being directly toxic, but they can render the healthiest diet in the world ineffective if abused enough. You excrete what you should absorb. And possibly absorb what you should excrete.

Now mind you that the medical community will not provide facts on this so there is very little direct evidence. But there is a sea of indirect evidence that many fail to piece together. I'll admit there are some holes in my theory, but it is substantial enough to have holes.

And as I've said before, to keep it logical : Not EVERY disease is caused by a deficiency, but a sustained deficiency WILL cause disease.

And it can do it by directly impairing the operation of one or more essential internal organs, or by weakening the immune system making one more susceptible to infection.

My theory might not be complete, but it seems to work for me. You know people with bad bad morning breath, I am not one of them. You know people who really need two showers a day in the summer, I am not one of them.

Bad breath is caused either by what is in the mouth or in the lungs. Bad body odor is caused by what is excreted through the skin.

Everything in there is something you inhaled, drank or ate, no exceptions. Now if your body is excreting these nasty substances, doesn't it make sense to look for the root cause ?

Food for thought. Bon appetite. This subject is immense and I will not even try to pretend to deal with it in one day.

Suffice it to say though, that there are many many things I refuse to eat. Many others which I severely limit, like carbs. I have been researching this for about ten years now, and my health has improved over that time. I have grown new cartilage at the knees, capped a tooth, and have not lost a hair.

But I have done more than that. I have reduced overall intake, and now my body has sufficient time to absorb all it can from the remaining things I am willing to eat.

Within what one eats, I believe there is a certain "mineral signature" if I may coin a phrase, that we need. And while the medical community likes to stick it's head in the sand and pretend it is the same for everybody, I choose to explore facts. By mineral signature I mean a certain balance, or ratio between the minerals in your total diet.

Different people need different mineral signatures for optimum health. This depends upon genetics and lineage, as well as lifestyle and occupation and location. Very complex factors.

The thing is though, if you sort of cover all the bases, that is get more than enough of all the essentials in properly absorbable form, the excess should not hurt you.

To sum it up, I refuse sugar, table salt, anything hydrogenated and any frankenfoods. I only drink water and beer since I stopped drinking coffee and milk. I avoid carbs, but not completely, you need some carbs, I just think Americans get about 20 times as much as they need.

My diet isn't fatty, when I cook bacon it is to the point where it is brittle, and basically gets pulverized on a BLT. When I fry my killer chicken sandwiches in bacon grease I am sure to let it drain.

I am careful with bacon grease, the only way to make it is by eating bacon, and that is not something I want to eat alot of. Some yes, but not alot. Then when you fry chicken in it the leftover must be discarded. So don't think I am over here drinking it. Bacon grease outperforms any oil I have ever seen, is a natural product and can be reused as long as you don't fry meat in it. On some occasions, when it is time for some carbs I'll fry some potatoes in it. Kicks ass, but like I said, the food is well drained before I eat it.

This path is not easy. Any decent cheese can approach $10 a pound. Good food costs money. If you choose the path you will eat less, but it will likely cost you more money. But what is your health worth ?

More later. I hope I covered a few things though. S, sugar is bad for you, calories are not the whole story. To me, sugar is as bad as cocaine, has similar effects and actually is grown in similar areas of the world and is refined in a strikingly similar method. They want the root chemical, removing all others. Sounds like a drug to me.

Think about it

More later.

T

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RE: Chicken sandwich - 6/22/2007 12:08:14 AM   
DeviantlyD


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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

SuperSize Me said the only item on the McDonalds menu with 0 sugar is the French Fries....

Sugar is everywhere.  For the record, it isn't "poisonous." Your body will break down any carbohydrate until it's basically "sugar" and "other stuff." I know that these days, sugar isn't sugar.  It's all sorts of chemicals and such, and I have no doubt there are people allergic to sugar (not in a diabetic way). 

From your post, all I can really say is "Yep... Chicken sandwiches sound like a good idea."


In order for someone to develop an allergy, the allergen in question must be immunogenic. Sugar (glucose) is too simple of a compound to be an immunogen. So, it is not possible for anyone to be allergic to sugar. (Diabetes is not an allergy to sugar. Diabetics either don't produce insulin - a hormone that regulates glucose in our bodies - or they have developed resistantance to the effects of insulin.)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that sugar isn't sugar but all kinds of chemicals, unless you are referring to substances that contain sugar, like high fructose corn syrup. It still contains sugar, but in conjunction with other compounds.


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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

i stopped worrying about healthy eating a long time ago. i want to enjoy my food without thinking about calories, cholesteral or caffine. we only live once...as far as anyone knows


But if you don't take care, the chances are high that at some point the abuse will take its toll and your quality of life will suffer. With the advances in medicine that exist today, that means you can be kept alive, but in a miserable state of being. I have seen many people like this at my job. They suffer from debilitating health problems where they aren't very mobile, and/or have breathing issues (such as shortness of breath), and/or are repeatedly hospitalized because one thing or another makes them so sick they need medical care. It's a sad way to be.

Your comments touched me in a very personal sense because my dearly loved aunt had made similar comments. She ended up with liver cancer (almost assuredly related to having an unhealthy diet and being diabetic) and died several months after her surgery to remove it. I still cry over losing her. It was a horrible way to have died. Surely there is more to enjoy in life than unhealthy food? That is my appeal to you. Besides, once you get used to eating more healthily, the unhealthy stuff isn't as appealing and you actually enjoy eating the good stuff! :)




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ORIGINAL: Level

...... if I remember right, Woodrow Wilson's personal physician once commented that he went an entire YEAR in residency at at hospital in Massachusetts without seeing one single heart attack


That's 'cause they all happened before reaching the hospital! (Just kidding...sorta. )


In my humble opinion, refined sugars and most fats (particularly added fats to refined foods) are equally unhealthy.


(Edited 'cause I need to preview my posts first so I don't forget stuff!!)


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