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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/11/2007 3:54:14 PM   
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We love the show, the wives in particular are developing as real characters with depth.  We had a slave like Nikki once but in the end decided NOT to strangle her . We see a lot of insight in the writing and overall they seem treat polyamory in general with some respect. HBO seems to create the best TV, altho we also do like Dexter...

BTW, not only is polygamy a crime in Utah it is a felony. I understand (We have a slave joining us soon from SLC) they do not pursue it often unless other crimes are involved like child abuse or welfare fraud but it does carry a prison sentence as a penalty.

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/11/2007 5:09:24 PM   
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Is anybody else wondering what the hell Rhonda will do next? Yeah, I understand she's a very damaged kid, but she is such a little cunt, lol.

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/14/2007 8:13:18 PM   
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Katylied wrote:  is Margene sincere, or is this purely a power play on her part?

I think she is the most evolved of the three women.  I think she would lovingly accept another into the family - however, the reason Bill is looking outside is because he is not getting something he needs at home.  Everyone seems to be dealing with their own issues and Bill needs some attention.  Amazing how people can get caught up in their own lives and forget the little things to be given to others.  I think we all have been there at one time or another....

I am not sure what Rhonda will do next - she is pretty twisted.  There has to be a home for her somewhere!  Perhaps the mental home where Wanda is.  LOL

I also feel HBO does a great job with their writing.  Big Love is only one example.  I have found that Showtime has been doing a great job as well.  Dexter is one of my favorites!!!  I am looking forward to the new season as well as Weeds.  I find both to be unique and creatively written. 



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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/16/2007 1:07:30 PM   
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Tonight!
Let's see what happens with Margene and the possible-new girl.


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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/16/2007 9:18:48 PM   
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Hi!

I'm a huge HUGE Big Love fan. I haven't mised a single episode since it began. The back story is key to a lot of the comments and questions presented here so far. From what I have gathered, hearing details offered in bits and pieces, Bill left the compound at 14 when his father threw him out (I think because his father perceived him as the biggest threat intelligence wise and goal setting wise) and his older brother Eddie left some time later, and only his little brother Joey stayed. Bill made something of himself on the streets, and built something out of nothing, including the huge business we now see him running. One thing he did when he left the compound was deny his heritage and decide to be non-polygamy on the outside and married Barb 18 years ago. Barb and he lived apart from the polygamy, and all that entailed for a long time. When Barb was diagnosed with cancer, one of the family members decided to send Nikki from the compound to a. help tend Barb and b. help tend the kids (much like his mother found Kathy for Joey now that Wanda is in the psyche hospital). While Barb was ill, she learned to appreciate Nikki. This is all back story since we haven't seen flashbacksequences yet. I imagine at some point, they may do flashbacks to show us how Barb came to agree. Meanwhile, right now, we know that Nikki lived with Bill as a live in sitter, and came from the very sincerest principle believing family as the daughter of the prophet. Knowing what we know about the animosity between the Hendricksons and the Polanskis, I would not be surprised to learn later that Nikki was meant to be a plant and plan to control Bill because of her allegiance to the compound and the principle. She was serving Bill and Barb, doing what others expected of her. I know that it is normal for patients to fall in love with doctors or nurses. Barb could have legitimately seen a need at that weak time in her life, for help from another source. Nikki, meanwhile, serving her father Roman and her Master or Lord of the house Bill does what she's always doing. She lives what she believes. Her character isn't designed to be nice. I think it is designed to show the perfect polygamist, if you're measuring against the old texts of Mormon prior to the disbanding of the church's support on polygamy. Even if you don't care for her, you can admire her stalwart way. She takes on anything, even her father, when she thinks her family is in danger. I admire that. I can see how Barb, going through a difficult time, might be convinced that Bill's past might be their future. I can also see how Bill would be attracted to a Nikki, because no matter how far we want to run from our past, we also always have a piece of ourselves that loves the past. We remember the very very good things, and in that nostalgia, Bill or anyone might say, "Let's do this." The addition of Nikki then was a necessity. Once the decision had been made, Barb's love for Bill overrode any of her primary selfish motives, thought she has her demons as all of us do from time to time and Nikki's devotion to the principle overrides any of her doubts about the "lovenest" feel of a concept somewhat foreign to her. She doesn't have to be in love to be doing the right thing, yet in every action she makes, she shows love of family. Then you have Margene. Instead of an honorable setting, like Nikki coming to the family because of serving a need, Margene came because Bill fell in love with one of the baby sitters. How many stories happen like this in life that isn't polygamy? I don't know. It isn't a situation that polygamists alone would face. In tonight's episode, we see how Margene speaks of the past, and how at first Bill felt guilty about Margene because he assumed it was just lust. A man who was not a polygamist would have to choose wife or divorce wife and take sitter, or have mistress. In polygamy, he can have it all. Eventually, Margene was accepted into the fold as more of an insider and not a wanton temptress, but you get glimpses of the two older women's opinion of Margene's integrity and character in little snip comments like Nikki made tonight, "You really have to be careful, especially with a Margene." A lot is implied in that scene. If Anna is added into the family, I think the dynamic will be more intriguing, and we'll get to see first hand instead of through back story, how a new sister wife is added. I can't wait. My least favorite character is Bill. Though the women all think he walks on water, I see him as a very consciously scheming man. If he had to survive on the streets at 14, he's tough. He's street tough. At first, they portrayed him as the good family man battling the evil Roman. Now he has his own conniving, and sometimes is Roman's equal in plotting. I like his best friend's character who keeps trying to keep Bill balanced. And I wish that Bill had been branded!

Happy Watching!
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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/17/2007 4:46:59 AM   
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quote:

And I wish that Bill had been branded


hehe!  What was up with those guys and their weird hair dye/wigs?

I think that Bill was kicked out (of the compound) with his uncle, I don't recall him having an older brother.


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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/17/2007 5:01:12 AM   
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It is a great show..Can't wait to see what happens next

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/17/2007 5:31:33 AM   
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me too

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/17/2007 9:30:36 AM   
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Katy,

They introduced Eddie into the script this year, the fella Bill borrowed money from, the fella in business with his mother at the laundrymats. It doesn't look like he's a good guy, but hard to tell so far. He's been in three shows, if that many. I can't think of Bill's mother's name at the moment, but remember when she was counting money and stuffing into modified tin cans and Eddie came in and said I'm going to have to borrow that from you again. Bill asked Eddie for the money to have enough for the 7% cash needed to buy the poker machines on short notice.

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/17/2007 9:39:31 AM   
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Oh, Eddie is Bill's mom's brother (Bill's uncle)

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/17/2007 2:44:16 PM   
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Great episode last night. The dynamics with Bill and Margene were so touching. I love when they focus on the relationships.
And that Vonda, she's so evil. I hope they don't focus alot on her or I'll spend all my viewing time hating her.

Chloe Sevigny is such a good actor! She doesn't even have to talk to communicate with us.

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/18/2007 12:23:54 AM   
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Howdy!

Ok, I've wiped away all the tears....BUT...

When Margene told Ana that this sort of thing just doesn't happen very often & you have to FIGHT for it....well, I think she was speaking from some divine place within from which love grows. I also think we haven't seen the last of Ana!

Margene's talk with Bill, where she asked him how did he *know* it wasn't the 'Spirit' talking to *her*..that got me. He looked as though the very idea had never ocurred to him! I think he might need to open his mind a bit.

I adore this series, it brings back memories of a sort of closeness between women that is just too damn rare anymore...

Take care, folks!

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/18/2007 7:50:14 AM   
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New buzz word for love -- it must be celestial!

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/18/2007 9:48:05 AM   
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everyone, which character do you most relate to? i feel i'm a bit of a cross between margene and nikki. i can relate to the way margene loves unconditionally and with her whole heart, and her unselfish nature....and i can relate to nikki's firm commitment to the principle, placing it above her own personal desires or wants (in my case "the principle" would be replaced with slavery). she understands and accepts her place, but at the same time she's frequently insecure about it, thinking that if she slips-up Bill could set her out naked on the roadside. i've had the same thought many times when i've messed up and my Master's been upset with me.

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/18/2007 8:49:11 PM   
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Katy!

Thank you! I thought Eddie was an older Brother. That makes more sense then, him showing up and suddenly luring his sister into a business deal. Everyone's so conniving. Poison, lies, hiding, cheating, it's like a festival of the 7 deadly sins and then some!

I think I identify most with Barb. I really do wish to have at least one sister wife after my children are grown. I would very gladly share my special man with the right woman. I think that's the tricky part, to find the right one. And each stage of life we go through ends up making us aware of new facets in ourselves, so our needs change, thus our need for people changes. You already change sometimes at a different rate your mate does, and each new person then would add to the exponential equation of possibilities. Meanwhile, I am the eldest, and would be first in the line of wives, if we did it, and grew up as the big sister with two younger brothers that I "mothered." I'm used to being the one who keeps things together. I don't think Barb is as bad as everyone has said. I think she's just from a very different background. If you out there, as a reader, are strictly NOT poly - think about what your reaction would be if your husband said, "I think I'd like a second wife." "You what????!!!!" LOL

I can't wait to see if Margene gets her way. Nikki said she holds on to something till she gets it. I think her persistence and openness and love are so warm and special to watch, I'm almost always teary eyed in her scenes.

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/19/2007 1:19:09 AM   
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I was dismayed this week. I guess it makes sense that they won't add a fourth... but I continue to love Margine... and I don't like Nikki, I don't think she's committed to any principle, but maybe I am just not seeing it.

Barb is, physcially and in every way, very close to my ideal- she's very strong, and yet clearly she is Bill's....

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/19/2007 6:28:35 AM   
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Karynn - it is confusing with all of the conniving and double-crossing, but that's what makes it fun to watch.    

I do like Nikki the best but I think it's because I think Chloe is an excellent actress and so beautiful.  I like the way Nikki takes charge of situations.  I also give Nikki great latitude because she was raised in such a dysfunctional situation.  I don't care for Barb too much and I'm not sure why, something about her wanting to fix everything and everyone, it grates on me.  I like Margene's childlike qualities and how she tries to make sure everyone is happy.  To me, it seems like Margene is open and Nikki is repressed.




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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/19/2007 12:21:22 PM   
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I got a little confused this week with the introduction of the new poly group. I like the new girl but wasn't sure if I could keep up with the storyline. 

But I know one thing: I want to be Don when I grew up!

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/19/2007 1:12:49 PM   
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Don!! but that haircut!!

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RE: Big Love, Season Two! - 7/19/2007 2:26:22 PM   
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Don!! but that haircut!!

Yeah I couldn't actually be Don, I shave my head plus I have the mark of Kane

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