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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 6/16/2007 3:35:15 PM   
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For the safety and well being of My submissives its no more than
20mins...most of the time its a game and starts with a
few minutes and gradually increases in time,sometimes icing
or heat in between the clamps can be fun also.
With sensitive nipples from clamp play then just a flick is enough to make some squirm.


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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 6/16/2007 4:52:02 PM   
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During recent years the old adage that nerve tissue will not grow back gets refuted more and more. Severed neurons do try to regain contact with the opposite end of the interruption.
In the skin the sensory neurons end in different kinds of receptors that convey different kinds of perceptions to your brain: touch, heat, pain and vibration. They have impressive names like corpuscles of Meissner, Pacini and Ruffini, and Merkel’s disks. Some of the receptors come in slow and fast type, relaying either the absolute state of the stimulus or the change in its state (remember the removing of clamps being a whole different sensation from what you feel when they’re on for a while?). The signal is conveyed through the axon of the neuron; you may see it as the wiring that connects the sensor to the central nervous system (passing a few relay stations).
Now there are a few possibilities for what has happened. First, the axons can be severed. Second the sensory receptors can be severed, or both due to lack of oxygen. Try to find out more about the kind of damage. Apply different stimuli (don’t overdo it): heat, vibration (which includes gentle masagng strokes), touch (steady pressure and tapping) and pain (needle prick). If any sensation is perceptible, you might start from there. There is a phenomenon called ‘nerve sprouting’ that enhances the innervation of area’s that are stimulated more and longer. If you would apply regular (mild!) stimulation to your nipples (heat, or rather warmth, etc.) and focus on it to make the sensation more important to your subconscious, then you have a chance that some sensory capacity can be regenerated. Remember that the buzz-word is: mild, otherwise you would give the wrong message, like “you better adapt to this unpleasant sensation by toning it down, because it’s not going to get any better than this”. The mental focussing is no spiritual thing, it’s pure psycho-neuro-immunology: what you focus upon, will gain more neurological attention from the focussing part of your central nervous system (remember that in some emergency situations you can be virtually oblivious to pain stimuli).
In view of more recent ways of trauma treatment, very slight stimulation is preferred over prolonged inactivation, which can impair the recuperation capacity of tissue. Form follows function, and when the function is suppressed, the repair system gets too little clues as to what is the best way to do the repairs. I would have suggested very gentle stimulation in an earlier stage than the six month delay. Don’t blame the nurse though, these insights have not reached all of mainstream healthcare.

My advice would be: read whatever you can about sensory neurology, there’s plenty to be found on the net. This helps you to make an informed decision if and when you get professional advice. Then go to a neurologist, preferably someone who is specialised in trauma care (as opposed to specialists who look at neurology from a metabolic-disease, genetic or similar non pertinent viewpoint). If what you hear makes sense, follow the advice, if not, get a second opinion.
In the mean time adopt a daily stimulation routine with all kinds of stimuli and don’t give up hope too easily. If it works, it will take time (remember what Aswad was saying). Another point: try not to feel guilty about it and try not to blame anyone. These things happen, we all make mistakes. You don’t seem to do this, but this is important. If you would feel guilt or blame in any way, this would send the wrong message to you subconscious, like you don’t  deserve your nipples to heal (or the other person should be put into a guilty position, for blame can be a strong –subconscious- emotion).
Also remember there’s some hard evidence from psycho-neuro-immunology research that things like focus, attitude and visualisation do make a difference. Visualisation meaning anything that works for you: from little repairman creatures at work, to nerve ends that tentatively try to find their way to be reunited again. It’s the ‘feeling’that goes along with it, that does the work.


I hope you will feel safe to take up playing again some day soon. You obviously have learnt from this experience, so you’re more aware than most of us where it comes to safety. I would advise against ever again engaging into painplay involving your nipples (no need to say that, probably) and instead focus on delicate, erotic sensual nipple play, which will only enhance any amount of sensibility regained over time.

I really wish you all the best and would like to get some feedback eventually.

Ron

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 6/16/2007 9:03:35 PM   
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Dear Ron, 
                Thank You very much for your detailed reply that brought me some hope. I am going to try this and I will post here if the thread is still here, but in any case I have your account name copied out with your post and I will give you feedback. I am going to try the different stimulation and willing them to grow.   I am going to see someone very soon about this. I just don't know who yet.

I will also take what you said about not feeling guilty or angry about it. ....I tried to get over this several times and talked to the person that sessioned me several times. I won't go into it in detail...but the first 2 times we talked we were having different conversations and I gave up. (But, I really didn't get: "Ok this happened, this is what you should do or have to live with, it was an accident or I forgot your limits or the time, can you/we come to terms with it" that would allowed me to do that.)     ....there was something that also occured between us that did trigger this to finally boil over. (A joke that was really misplaced.)

I am going to talk to a doctor soon and I am going to start the different forms of stimulation. (I am never allowing pain play there again. I didn't want it like this in the first place.)

Thank You very much,

Sam

     
  
     

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 8/18/2007 11:06:13 AM   
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Here is an update on things:
I have some feeling that has returned from the nerve damage from the session in October. The neurologist put me on Pregabalin and some feeling has returned. I honestly honestly honestly wish I had gone the next day to the emergency room.
 
I no longer have the sharp pain in cold, I have feeling a pin prick back. I still cannot feel something touching the Aureola, but I can feel something moving there (but its like having "a thin wax" layer between me and the probe.) But I can feel something if it moves. I still have almost no pressure feelings. So those particular nerves have not come back at all.
 
For the record...the nurologist did not know what to do with me about this. It put nim in to shock when I told him. He also did ask about litigation and I said there would be none. I had to explain 3 times what had happened. Anyone going to the doctor....be prepared for that.
 

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 8/18/2007 11:11:59 AM   
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I'm glad that some feeling has returned. It may not be a great improvement when taking everything into consideration but getting some feeling back really is great.
I understand the 'wax skin' sensation, I have that across my stomach where I had invasive icky surgery a couple of years ago. It just feels weird heh.
Hopefully there will come a time when you can put the emotions of this behind you, it was a bad situation & it feels to me like you've both emotional and physical healing going on.
Best of luck to you (and your nipples).

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 4/18/2008 10:06:17 PM   
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Hi everyone. I have another update for anyone that ever checks this.

I do have normal feeling back for the most part on about half of the area now. But the other parts are still, well permanently numb.

No one will ever play with me there again (and I have found out from people in the lifestyle that I have met since...that what that one did to me was unheard of, and she did not know what she was doing....at all.  Actually I think she did it on purpose, and have taken solace by warning people to not make contact with this person.)

The needles out of nowhere came back again yesterday when the tempiture changed. This time they were hot. It happened out of the blue as I was walking out of a building and kept up for a day.  It made me want to post an update on the message board from so long ago.

Thanks again everyone that helped. It was appreciated.

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 4/18/2008 10:24:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SamEscapes

I had my only real life session 7 months ago.

During the second 1/2 of the session the Domme put on Clover Clamps as I was tied down and gagged (approx. 1 hour I think because I know it was at least 2 gregorian chants on CD, several minutes of another part where I had to dance to a song in heels, and 10 minutes of something else) .  

I had never had anything but clothespins on them for 5-8 minutes while playing with others on cam. (We had always been careful.) This hour was with no break, and they hurt like fire when they came off.

They hurt really bad for a day and I lost almost all the feeling about a day and a half later (except for pain flashes in the left one in cold weather.)

Are my nipples dead? Will they ever come back?  Is there anything I can do about this?

Thank You in advance,    Sam- 


I'm curious if the Domme has acknowledged responsibility for your damage?  If not, sue her ass. (not that you will considering the circumstances- so give hers a tweak next time you see her )  That was damn stupid on her part.
 
Nerve damage can heal but it takes a damn long time.
 
(On another note, I hear body parts can be replicated for transplant on the back of mice..maybe you can grow yourself some new nipples :)

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 4/21/2008 5:40:17 PM   
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nerves grow at about a inch per month. but from the necrosis(cell death) you sustained you might get lucky and have full sensation back. one other thing to discuss with your MD is light suction intermittent type to help bring blood up to the nipple and encourage regrowth. my thumb was partially amputated by a table saw. i have about 90% sensation back after 2 years so talk with the doc and don't be afraid of topics always ask.

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 4/21/2008 8:02:42 PM   
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Having caused someone permanent, bodily harm through neglect is a legally (civilly and criminally) actionable offense.  If this person's level of competence or concern was this low for a fellow human being who entrusted them with their safety, I personally would feel they should be held accountable.

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 4/22/2008 6:06:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissOchistic

The standard I have heard from most people who do WIITWD and several producers of clamps is 10 minutes per spot, and never more than 20.

Yes, you've done permanent damage. I do believe that there are ways to reattach nerve endings nowadays, however, being that your nipple is not a movable part like an arm or leg which this procedure has previously been done on, I don't know that it returns any feeling and don't see that it would help you.

From now on, I suggest a thorough discussion of limits and safety before a session with a new partner, or before a new activity with an old one.



If you are not crunching nerves, you should be OK by stopping the blood flow to the limbs for 20 min.  For clamps and blood flow there are two things you need to consider.  1) how stiff are the clamps and 2) how soft is the are you are going to clamp.  I have fairly stiff and large nipples and can wear clover camps for over 60 minutes with no ill effects.  Some other clamps we use need to be limited to the 20 min mark.  I get dead skin on my balls if we leave clover clamps for too long there.

If you are not sure about your nipples ability to withstand clamps, the only solution is to experiment and increase the time slowly.

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RE: Do Nipples ever come back? - 4/22/2008 2:21:22 PM   
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I would up your vitamin a and b complex intake a bit, and massage them daily.  Nerves DO regenerate in the human body, just very slowly.  Also, learning some basic biofeedback or self reiki techniques cant hurt. 

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