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farglebargle -> Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 10:20:46 AM)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424797/ It's a shame when High School students have to remind The President of his duty.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 12:27:40 PM)
This article about the Taguba report (on Abu Ghraib), by the famed Seymour Hersh, is extremely depressing: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/06/25/070625fa_fact_hersh

Casie -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 12:55:08 PM)
Haha, sorry had to giggle. But the terroist perform torture, cause permint bodily harm and usually death to our soliders. What we do to get information is a far leap from torture in my opinon

farglebargle -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 1:03:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Casie Haha, sorry had to giggle. But the terroist perform torture, cause permint bodily harm and usually death to our soliders. What we do to get information is a far leap from torture in my opinon Then you'll volunteer your Mother and/or Children for it? Maybe in 5 years you will see them again. Maybe not. If it's "not torture", then it's perfectly fine to subject YOUR FAMILY to it, isn't it? If it's not for everyone, then it's not Equal Protection OR Due Process.

flowered -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 1:14:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Casie Haha, sorry had to giggle. But the terroist perform torture, cause permint bodily harm and usually death to our soliders. What we do to get information is a far leap from torture in my opinon But is it even worthwhile? You blacken your countries name, screw up moral standards, and make everyone hate us...for something I see as useless- Any idiot with half a brain can make up rediculaous things before the pain gets to bad that they won't believe you by the time you break and tell em. Also, arn't there drugs now that make torture kinda pointless? I mean you can just get a guy drunk and act sympathetic and they spill. I Imagine there are powerful drugs which would give a higher degree of sucsess. disclaimer I appolagise for any rudeness, abruptness, bad spelling, and anything that may piss you off...won't stop me from doing it, but I am ever so sorry. ^^

Casie -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 2:00:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Casie Haha, sorry had to giggle. But the terroist perform torture, cause permint bodily harm and usually death to our soliders. What we do to get information is a far leap from torture in my opinon Then you'll volunteer your Mother and/or Children for it? Maybe in 5 years you will see them again. Maybe not. If it's "not torture", then it's perfectly fine to subject YOUR FAMILY to it, isn't it? If it's not for everyone, then it's not Equal Protection OR Due Process. If my family new things that could save lifes and refused to speak or if they were a part of a radical group than yes, I would subject them to it. There are far worse things than sleep depervation, chilly rooms, loud rock music and the more extream water boarding. We could do what other less humain people do. Like cutting off fingers, severe beating, putting people in cages with large hungry felions, or even decapitation.

Vendaval -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 5:42:14 PM)
I often wonder just how delusional Shrub actually is and how much is purposeful? Does he believe the lies because he has told them so often? Or is he simply a pathological liar?

farglebargle -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 5:44:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Casie quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Casie Haha, sorry had to giggle. But the terroist perform torture, cause permint bodily harm and usually death to our soliders. What we do to get information is a far leap from torture in my opinon Then you'll volunteer your Mother and/or Children for it? Maybe in 5 years you will see them again. Maybe not. If it's "not torture", then it's perfectly fine to subject YOUR FAMILY to it, isn't it? If it's not for everyone, then it's not Equal Protection OR Due Process. If my family new things that could save lifes and refused to speak or if they were a part of a radical group than yes, That's a dishonest qualification, I didn't say that anyone KNEW ANYTHING. And SINCE NOT ONE of the prisoners has been given an ARRAIGNMENT ON CHARGES, it's dishonest to suggest for even a second that they do have information which could save lives. Remember, no-one being held as an "enemy combatant" has had ANY charges files, ANY competent counsel, or ANY day in court, and no one knows if THEY know anything? They're NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING until found so in a Court of Law. Why should YOU be treated any different from them? So, back to our scenario. Since whether or not there is even any worthwhile intel to extract, let's say, if your father supposedly knew something, should... Should your mother be raped to induce him to talk? Should you be snatched off the street by US Gov't Agents, raped and threatened with death if it would induce him to talk? It's only one or two more lives vs. thousands, according to your logic, isn't it?

Alumbrado -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 5:45:19 PM)
quote: I often wonder just how delusional Shrub actually is and how much is purposeful? Does he believe the lies because he has told them so often? Or is he simply a pathological liar? As far as I can tell, career politicians fit the profile of partial psychopathy to a 'T'... can't imagine why this particular one would be an exception.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 6:10:31 PM)
Stripping a man nude, handcuffing him, throwing him onto a wet floor, and shoving a plug up his ass...that's torture. The Army itself didn't believe these people had any valuable information, though that's really beside the point. Maybe you didn't bother to read the article. quote: ORIGINAL: Casie What we do to get information is a far leap from torture in my opinon

uwinceismile -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 6:35:37 PM)
torture? u mean like giving victims of a highjacked plane a chance to call thier loved ones to say goodbye? torture? u mean like beheading journalist, and seeing to it that its aires everywhere? torture? u mean doing to them, what oh so many dommes do to thier sub/slaves here in our own lil community...rofl yea :( we are badddddddd americans :( and please keep the " we have to show we are better then them" arguments a lil silent. cause all we have to do,,is whatever it takes, to keep another unprovoked attack from happenig on our soil! whose next? maybe next time they blow up ur local mall,,or ur kids school? hmm..perhaps the info they found at gitmo, has helped to keep us free from attack here? perhaps not? but i know we havent been atteacked,,,u can call it luck...ill call it good interrogation and follow thru

Lordandmaster -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 6:50:03 PM)
This wasn't Gitmo, this was Abu Ghraib. Maybe you don't bother with such nettlesome details. Anyway, the Army has said they didn't get jackshit from the people they were torturing in Abu Ghraib. For that matter, everyone in the Defense Department has admitted that what happened at Abu Ghraib was wrong. The only unanswered question is how it all started--and was allowed to continue. So if you think it was all for the good, you're saying that you know better than the Army how they should have conducted interrogations at Abu Ghraib. Let me guess: you have no credentials whatsoever, but why let that slow you down... Shaking head...astounding ignorance on the part of a population that just doesn't want to hear the truth. I bet you didn't read the article either. I bet you don't see any reason why you should. quote: ORIGINAL: uwinceismile whose next? maybe next time they blow up ur local mall,,or ur kids school? hmm..perhaps the info they found at gitmo, has helped to keep us free from attack here? perhaps not? but i know we havent been atteacked,,,u can call it luck...ill call it good interrogation and follow thru

uwinceismile -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 6:57:22 PM)
lordandmaster,,,,. great self title btw, u are correct, i did mistype and place gitmo where i should of typed abu graib..... by i dont feel any differently. and ur attempt at belittling, and half assed attempt at intimidating is laffable at best.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 7:05:32 PM)
Sigh. Looks like I was right. quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I bet you didn't read the article either. I bet you don't see any reason why you should.

uwinceismile -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 7:10:51 PM)
but arent u always?

philosophy -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 7:12:05 PM)
....do people really believe in torturing people who only might have information? How would one make the determination of who might know something of terrorist acts? Who would they trust to make that call?

Lordandmaster -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 7:13:36 PM)
What are you talking about? They're Iraqis. Of course they have information. If they didn't want to be tortured they shouldn't have decided to be Iraqis.

philosophy -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 7:16:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster What are you talking about? They're Iraqis. Of course they have information. If they didn't want to be tortured they shouldn't have decided to be Iraqis. ....hmmm, i think there may be a flaw in that argument, but i'm not sure exactly where........[8\|] .....soooooo, how come this doesn't apply to all nations that have produced terrorists? Ireland? the UK? Germany?...er.....the US?

uwinceismile -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 7:16:35 PM)
hey philo, i certainly wouldnt trust myself to do that job. but i do have faith in the powers at be who have been trained in such matters. and of course i dont want them to pick peeps at random. but when u are carrying a weapon against our troops in a field of battle. then i figure you are open game . just as in any other war . god help those who have to do that kind of work, but im glad they are there.

philosophy -> RE: Presidential Scholars Pimp Slap Bush over Torture. (6/26/2007 7:20:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: uwinceismile hey philo, i certainly wouldnt trust myself to do that job. but i do have faith in the powers at be who have been trained in such matters. and of course i dont want them to pick peeps at random. but when u are carrying a weapon against our troops in a field of battle. then i figure you are open game . just as in any other war . god help those who have to do that kind of work, but im glad they are there. ......i'm glad that you concede the terible responsibility involved here, though a little disturbed at how easily you seem to trust the government or the military. Problem is, the people at both Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are not composed entirely of people taken from battlefields by US personnel. i think we are all glad that there are people out there involved in counter terrorism, but some of us have sincere doubts as to whether torturing people who may not be terrorists actually protects anyone...potentially the opposite occurs.

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