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cyberdude611 -> US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/28/2007 6:46:56 AM)

With Congress with approval rating in the teens, and with the average wages around the country either holding steady or declining... the Democratic-lead House of Represenatives voted to give themselves, Senators, the Vice President, and Supreme Court justices a $4,400 annual pay raise.

Well...isn't that nice?

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House Members Seek Pay Raise of $4,400


WASHINGTON (AP) - Despite low approval ratings and hard feelings from last year's elections, Democrats and Republicans in the House are reaching out for an approximately $4,400 pay raise that would increase their salaries to almost $170,000.

The cost-of-living raise endorsed Wednesday evening gets lawmakers back on track for automatic pay raises after a fight between the parties last year and again in January killed the pay increase due this year. That was the first interruption of the annual congressional pay boost in seven years.
The blowup came after Democrats last year fulfilled a campaign promise to deny themselves more pay until Congress raised the minimum wage. Delays in the minimum wage bill cost every lawmaker about $3,100 this year.

On a 244-181 vote Wednesday, Democrats and Republicans alike killed a bid by Reps. Jim Matheson, D-Utah, and Lee Terry, R-Neb., to get a direct vote to block the COLA, which is automatically awarded unless lawmakers vote to block it. The Senate has not indicated when it will deal with a similar measure.

As part of an ethics bill in 1989, Congress gave up its ability to accept pay for speeches and made annual cost-of-living pay increases automatic unless the lawmakers voted otherwise.

The annual vote on the pay hike comes on an obscure procedural move - instead of a direct up-or-down vote - and Democratic and GOP leaders each delivered a majority of their members to shut off the move to block the pay hike.

This year's vote was made ticklish by last year's battle. Republicans said Democrats broke a promise not to use the pay raise issue against GOP lawmakers in campaign ads and therefore were, generally speaking, more reluctant to supply votes.

Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., and Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., worked the floor during the vote to make sure there was relative balance between the warring parties in delivering votes. Working through Blunt, Hoyer forced more than a dozen Republicans to switch their votes in support of accepting the raise, including Reps. Mike Pence and Dan Burton of Indiana and Fred Upton, Dave Camp and Vernon Ehlers of Michigan.

Most members support the pay raise as a means of retaining experienced lawmakers and of making sure that Congress is not simply dominated by wealthy people. Many lawmakers maintain homes both in the expensive Washington housing market and back in their districts. On most days, they meet with lobbyists making far more than they do.

"Every member has some obligation to the institution for the compensation to, as much as possible, keep pace with inflation," Blunt told reporters Wednesday.

"I don't think this is the right time for members of Congress to be allowing the pay raise to go through without even an up-or-down vote," said Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah. "We need to show the American people we are willing to make some sacrifices ... that we recognize there's a struggle for some in today's economy."

The exact figure for this year's cost of living adjustment has not been settled under a complicated formula that awards lawmakers a smaller pay raise than civil servants. But opponents of the congressional COLA estimated a pay increase this year of 2.7 percent, or $4,460.

Senators and representatives presently make $165,200 a year, with a handful of leaders such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., earning more.

The pay raise would also apply to the vice president - who is president of the Senate - congressional leaders and Supreme Court justices.

This year, Vice President Dick Cheney, Pelosi and Chief Justice John Roberts receive $212,100. Associate justices receive $203,000. House and Senate party leaders get $183,500.

President Bush's salary of $400,000 is unaffected by the legislation.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070628/D8Q1QF4O0.html




mnottertail -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/28/2007 6:49:18 AM)

Having done such a bang up job in policy and bills abroad, and with all the wonderful measures here at home, I say why not (...) ?




slaveboyforyou -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/28/2007 7:20:18 AM)

This is a prime example of why we need term limits.  These positions were never supposed to be a career. 




dragone -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/28/2007 9:17:07 AM)

here it comes....prelude to the election; anything and everything is focus on the Dems. reminding us all, of who they are, what unpopular crap they are up to.  Hey, has the repulican house, in the past, done anything; that should have been focused on?

Pay raise...yeah, why not, how about getting stamps up to 80 cents per.




Sinergy -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/28/2007 9:24:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

This is a prime example of why we need term limits.  These positions were never supposed to be a career. 


I agree.

One term in Congress or the Executive branch.

One term in prison.

Sinergy




dragone -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/28/2007 1:18:43 PM)

Hi; I agree as well; and when you see the pay they get...remember, that does not include the expense account, speaker engagements, and a host of other perks.

They need this 4G's; but wait, soon, very soon, Social Security will be the focus, and we need the'fix'; and then the cuts to the social programs, more, even more than Knewt Ginrich DID.

When Ginrich, was Speaker of the House, during Clinton; when he blocked certain proposals he said..."it's about time the president found out who really runs this country."

Ah well, in the words of our dearly, revered, since sadly departed 'great communicator'.....I'm the president and what are you going to do about it.

Before you jump my case. I believe; that regarding this so-called, two party system; it's one coin with the same face on both sides.




pahunkboy -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/28/2007 2:06:59 PM)

hmm- i thought they would attach it to a minumum wage bill.   CEOs should have a maximun wage.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/28/2007 2:15:10 PM)

"Before you jump my case. I believe; that regarding this so-called, two party system; it's one coin with the same face on both sides. "

I cound"t agree more,same crooks with a different name...bounty




dragone -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/29/2007 7:22:37 PM)

Hey, they did; didn't you read it: CEO's politicians, are to recieve a maximum wage, no less than what they can extort, and fuck the public out of with and with no accountability whatsoever.  Gee, didn't you vote on it? I'm surprised.




selfbnd411 -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/29/2007 7:29:13 PM)

I don't see anything wrong with a COLA.  At $170,000, they're hardly overpaid.  The president of my university makes $300,000/yr.  A paper-pusher I know at the National Archives makes $90,000.  Another friend of mine is an entry level chemist and he makes $55,000/yr.  $170,000 to run a country doesn't sound extravagant at all.




snappykappy -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/29/2007 7:31:55 PM)

nope should give them only a two year term

if they do good the first year then they get to serve the second year

also if they want a pay raise they first if they have children of age put them in the military and send them to fight overseas

and if they are of age then they should serve in the military at least 6 years

do you think they would send their loved ones to be in harms way then why send anyone else

also is w and slick dick going to be taken to task about the suppoena




MstrDouglas -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/29/2007 7:43:30 PM)

Nope, 170K isnt too bad, especially when you consider that they will get that for the rest of their lives.  They also voted to make their retirement the same as what they got while serving in office, and to get that retirement, all you have to serve is one term.  Nope, not too bad at all, and before you bring up the speaking fee's, yes they voted to not allow them WHILE they were in office...just makes them more "valueable" after they leave office.  Oh, and for anyone that didnt know, they do NOT pay into the Social Security funds, they exempted themselves.  Dont you wish we could all do that for ourselves?  How many other jobs are there that the employee gets to set their own pay and pay raises?

Edited for spelling and grammer....been long day.




HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/29/2007 8:51:45 PM)

Who says Congress can never agree on anything long enough to pass a bill? This proves that when it really matters to them they can come to an agreement and fast track a bill straight to legislation. All those other issues out there are just not so important to them.




SubinMaine -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/30/2007 8:57:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrDouglas

Nope, 170K isnt too bad, especially when you consider that they will get that for the rest of their lives.  They also voted to make their retirement the same as what they got while serving in office, and to get that retirement, all you have to serve is one term.  Nope, not too bad at all, and before you bring up the speaking fee's, yes they voted to not allow them WHILE they were in office...just makes them more "valueable" after they leave office.  Oh, and for anyone that didnt know, they do NOT pay into the Social Security funds, they exempted themselves.  Dont you wish we could all do that for ourselves?  How many other jobs are there that the employee gets to set their own pay and pay raises?

Edited for spelling and grammer....been long day.


MstrD stole my response....*wink*

i know i'd LOVE to have a position where i only had to work one contracted term and be guaranteed that wage for the rest of my life....and considering the $ they'll make out of office for speaking engagements, i'm thinking they'll have no "issue" with any cost of living increases.






selfbnd411 -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (6/30/2007 10:36:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubinMaine

i know i'd LOVE to have a position where i only had to work one contracted term and be guaranteed that wage for the rest of my life....and considering the $ they'll make out of office for speaking engagements, i'm thinking they'll have no "issue" with any cost of living increases.



I bet members of Congress would love to have a retirement system like that too.  What a shame it doesn't exist:

"Members are eligible to start collecting at age 62 if they have at least five years of service. If they have 20 years of service under their belt, they can retire at 50. With 25 years of service, they can retire any time.


What they get depends on a formula based on years of service and average pay(natch, right?). So a congressman with 22 years of service and whose average salary for the top three years was $153,900 gets $84,645. A current congressman ending up with six years of service (it's two-year terms, after all) would get at least $16,503 (at age 62, of course).

In actuality, the average congressional pension payment ranges between $41,000 and $55,000, based on 2002 data from the Congressional Research Service."

Now, a retiring congressman isn't allowed to get more than 80 percent of their salary upon retirement. But after retiring, cost of living adjustments kick in, which can add substantially to the payment."

That's a fantastic plan, no doubt.  But it's not the retirement MstrDouglas said they get.  As to speaking fees....Name the last Congressman in your House district.  I.e., the one who preceded your current representative.  Can't name him/her?  Neither can I.  Nobody cares about Congressmen, and nobody's throwing speaking fees at them.


http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/20/commentary/wastler/wastler/index.htm




dragone -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (7/2/2007 5:53:31 PM)

Hey, me neither, I gave myself a 10 g raise, funny however, I don't have any tax payers that I can get it from, so I thought I would cut some SS benefits, and I didn't have any.  Run a country...like being partner to Haliburton. Are you serious; You say some brillent things here, and then you go into the trash bin. Snappy has the right idea.

Oh yeah, these guys maintain two, three residences, GEEZUS, I'm having trouble keeping up with my appliance box mortgage.

give me a break; they are richer than god.




snappykappy -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (7/2/2007 7:35:23 PM)

tyvm dragone

and now that w has given the release to libby can food what else is he gonna do to get away with b4 he is out of office and then no one can get him cause if a publican gets in they will just pardon him also

anyone ever hear of the silent warriors





dragone -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (7/3/2007 9:11:06 AM)

And people say GWB is not compassionate and fair.

BTW, a crew of construction guys were short-payed by the contractor; en-mass they protested the short paychecks...seems these guys gave themselves a raise, never bothered to ask the employing contractor if they could. LOL, LOL




SubinMaine -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (7/3/2007 9:44:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: selfbnd411

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubinMaine

i know i'd LOVE to have a position where i only had to work one contracted term and be guaranteed that wage for the rest of my life....and considering the $ they'll make out of office for speaking engagements, i'm thinking they'll have no "issue" with any cost of living increases.



I bet members of Congress would love to have a retirement system like that too.  What a shame it doesn't exist:

"Members are eligible to start collecting at age 62 if they have at least five years of service. If they have 20 years of service under their belt, they can retire at 50. With 25 years of service, they can retire any time.


What they get depends on a formula based on years of service and average pay(natch, right?). So a congressman with 22 years of service and whose average salary for the top three years was $153,900 gets $84,645. A current congressman ending up with six years of service (it's two-year terms, after all) would get at least $16,503 (at age 62, of course).

In actuality, the average congressional pension payment ranges between $41,000 and $55,000, based on 2002 data from the Congressional Research Service."

Now, a retiring congressman isn't allowed to get more than 80 percent of their salary upon retirement. But after retiring, cost of living adjustments kick in, which can add substantially to the payment."

That's a fantastic plan, no doubt.  But it's not the retirement MstrDouglas said they get.  As to speaking fees....Name the last Congressman in your House district.  I.e., the one who preceded your current representative.  Can't name him/her?  Neither can I.  Nobody cares about Congressmen, and nobody's throwing speaking fees at them.


http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/20/commentary/wastler/wastler/index.htm



Toche, however i'd still like that retirement plan...considering "pension" collection from the private sector is pretty much a thing of the past *sigh*....25 years and retire at any time huh?...i'd be three years away from retirement and collecting a full pension..where's the justice? *wink & a smile*




SubinMaine -> RE: US House votes to give themselves a $4,400 pay raise (7/3/2007 9:46:42 AM)

*edited* darn double post




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