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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 11:59:33 AM

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I don't know why I wrote Jaqueline Kennedy up there...it's Jaqueline Carey. Must have been having a brain fart.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 12:36:18 PM

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"Gerald's Game" by Stephen King, for pretty obvious reasons.

And although it's not a book, I've been turned on and thinking heavily lately about the very strong BDSM undertones I got from "Black Snake Moan". It was very Daddy/daughter sexy and then the substitute weddng band at the end...? Anyone else feel this?

I had a real problem with Gerald's Game, mainly because RIGHT before this novel, King went on a major rant against bdsm, calling it smut and no different than pornography. When Gerald's Game came out, it became the first book I didn't read of Stephen King, mainly because I felt insulted by his comments and no longer desired to support his endeavors.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 1:54:11 PM

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"And what is so wrong with porn?" I wouldn't be able to resist asking him if we ever met. I don't think he should throw stones. I haven't read Gerald's Game,(haven't really anything new by him in several years.) But I can't help but find it ironic that a book of his has bdsm overtones. **snickers**

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 5:51:25 PM

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ANY science fiction by C.J. Cherryh, who nowadays is either writing fantasy or an SF series I don't happen to like. It's not explicit BDSM stuff, just dominant women and submissive men. For me, very, very hot stuff, especially considering not much sex is involved and nothing explicit. Her Chanur series is all about dominant female cats. Her Merchanters series has some dominant women, and her Cyteen series has some important dominant female characters. It's also just great, straightforward, adventure science fiction. You'll be mourning as you feel the right side of the open book start to get real thin.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 6:08:54 PM

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I'm amazed no one has mentioned Joanna Russ yet...

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 6:43:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

Rosemary Rogers and Johanna Lindsay, both romance writers, seem to have D/s overtones in all their books - the heroine is always captured and fights against her captor only to be overcome in some way by the hero. There is usually a spanking scene in almost every book and in the end, after chapters of fighting the hero they fall in love and love happily ever after. i used to read them in my 20's - don't know if they are publishing anymore. Very light D/s but it's there.

OMG, there was a book that I read as a teenager, I think it was a Johanna Lindsay, about a woman captured by an arabian prince, etc etc...gawd I was jealous of her!!!

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 7:31:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I had a real problem with Gerald's Game, mainly because RIGHT before this novel, King went on a major rant against bdsm, calling it smut and no different than pornography. When Gerald's Game came out, it became the first book I didn't read of Stephen King, mainly because I felt insulted by his comments and no longer desired to support his endeavors.

You really didn't miss anything. I've never been a big Steven King fan. Personally, I prefer Dean Koontz. But that's just My opinion. I was attracted to Gearald's Game by the cover photo. The hancuff on the bedpost obviously got My attention. I also remember a quote from a review..."Every woman's darkest fear." Or something like that. So I got the book not expecting anything blatant, but entertaining on a level to appeal to My dark side. All I can say is that I found it pretty boring and it was a chore to finish. But again...Just My opinion.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 7:44:13 PM

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I am surprised no one has mentioned Ann Rice (or did I miss it)

There is always The Regiment of Women by Thomas Berger (the same author that wrote Little Big Man)

Debbie's Gift and almost any story by Amity- Amity Harris www.amityworld.com

Almost anything by Mule - www.thebarnyard.net

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 7:49:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I had a real problem with Gerald's Game, mainly because RIGHT before this novel, King went on a major rant against bdsm, calling it smut and no different than pornography. When Gerald's Game came out, it became the first book I didn't read of Stephen King, mainly because I felt insulted by his comments and no longer desired to support his endeavors.

Geralds Game didn't so much make me think about D/s as it did about the horrors of what could go wrong with playing with things you know very little about. It wasn't a very good book. He definitely dropped the ball on this one.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 8:33:47 PM

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There is a scene in the novel WE where the female heroine sets out to seduce the male protagonist in privacy and out of the view and sanction of the state. (The Novel, written by Eugene Zamiatian, was the first anti uptopian novel of the 20th Century, preceding both Brave New World and 1984.)

She leads him into private apartment, she's assertive, she closes the curtians. Everything was very understated, but the smallest of things was all so hightened in the anti-uptopian setting. I loved it, because it was the triumph of individual sexuality --- in opposition to societal, communal, and state values ---- and the woman led the way --- which for me is a great turn on. Its very sexy when two people give into their own sexual, raw natures.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 11:32:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

I don't know why I wrote Jaqueline Kennedy up there...it's Jaqueline Carey. Must have been having a brain fart.

I love this series! I just finished the fifth book and can't wait for the last. The first three are first person narrative by the submissive protagonist, the next part in the series (years later in the books) changes the point of view to her dominant foster-son. The emotional clarity and truth of her writing is amazing.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 6/30/2007 11:36:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cuffkinks

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I had a real problem with Gerald's Game, mainly because RIGHT before this novel, King went on a major rant against bdsm, calling it smut and no different than pornography. When Gerald's Game came out, it became the first book I didn't read of Stephen King, mainly because I felt insulted by his comments and no longer desired to support his endeavors.

You really didn't miss anything. I've never been a big Steven King fan. Personally, I prefer Dean Koontz. But that's just My opinion. I was attracted to Gearald's Game by the cover photo. The hancuff on the bedpost obviously got My attention. I also remember a quote from a review..."Every woman's darkest fear." Or something like that. So I got the book not expecting anything blatant, but entertaining on a level to appeal to My dark side. All I can say is that I found it pretty boring and it was a chore to finish. But again...Just My opinion.

So, I'm reading along the thread, getting ideas for my next trip to Barnes and Noble, and I read this comment. I say to myself, "Wow, Master would sure agree with this guy- it's His opinion exactly." Then I look- silly me- it IS Master!

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 7/1/2007 12:10:06 AM

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Some of these bring back very happy memories. I tend to add the BDSM scenes in my head as I read - in fact, I've gone back to books I remembered really loving and been surprised to find that there's no BDSM after all - it was my added extra.

I have a tendency to latch on to a character in a totally not BDSM book and then imagine what they'd do.... my deepest darkest fantasy - do NOT laugh - concerns Snape in the Harry Potter series. (Well, can you imagine what you could do with BDSM and magic???) Having Alan Rickman play him in the movies was the icing on the cake for me.

I grew up on SF books, and to me there usually seemed to be an interesting subtext - I wonder how many SF writers walk on the dark side with us?

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 7/1/2007 12:23:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Duty2Please

ANY science fiction by C.J. Cherryh, who nowadays is either writing fantasy or an SF series I don't happen to like. It's not explicit BDSM stuff, just dominant women and submissive men. For me, very, very hot stuff, especially considering not much sex is involved and nothing explicit. Her Chanur series is all about dominant female cats. Her Merchanters series has some dominant women, and her Cyteen series has some important dominant female characters. It's also just great, straightforward, adventure science fiction. You'll be mourning as you feel the right side of the open book start to get real thin.

oh hell yeah ... loved her cat people ... amazing writting

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 7/1/2007 2:34:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

Christine Feehan's Dark series has some serious Male Dom/female sub overtones, including but not limited to rough sex and earning submission thru love...
Sherrilyn Kenyon's BAD series has D/s overtones and her Night series has some hot vampire sex scenes...
Laruell K Hamilton's Merideth Gentry novels have a lot of hot rough sex scenes...(i am gonna have to suck it up and read the Anita Blake series now)
Jaquelyn Frank's gargoyle books have D/s overtones as well....
hmm everything i read has D/s overtones...of course 95% of the books i read have vampires, werewolves or some other supernatural creature and they are not gentle by nature so rough sex is kind of a given...and i like it better when the girl finally submits so i am more likely to read more books by an author who has that kind of sex scene...

Oh I totally adore the Carpathian AND the Dark Hunter series! Now I'm going to have to try the Jaquelyn Frank ones (since I have read & re-read all the Dark ones ...). Thank you for the tip!

Also loved the Chanur series by Cheryhh -- truly original!

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 7/1/2007 1:27:45 PM

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good luck...but a forewarning, its a new series and there is only 2 books *cries*

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 7/1/2007 6:21:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Duty2Please

ANY science fiction by C.J. Cherryh, who nowadays is either writing fantasy or an SF series I don't happen to like. It's not explicit BDSM stuff, just dominant women and submissive men. For me, very, very hot stuff, especially considering not much sex is involved and nothing explicit. Her Chanur series is all about dominant female cats.

I read Cherryh very differently. You may find the idea of a matriarchal society very exciting, and no doubt your personal, individual reader response is valid qua response. There is however no theme of Domination and submission, and in the course of the narrative, Cherryh undermines the very matriarchy she has created. That's the point of the book, or at least one point. As a feminist writer, Cherryh challenges science-fiction conventions by presenting a matriarchal society, and the real reader must along with the implied reader deal with this altered construction--the Chanur books map out a different space with female centrality and power. But she's too clever just to take a convention and reverse it and then leave it there. Replacing a gender-essentialist construction with another gender-essentialist construction isn't much of a change--reversing or "counter-colonizing" one set of oppressions with a second set is still oppression, still colonization.

The crew of the Pride has to come to terms with their own sexist expectations and prejudices, and see that Tully, even though male, is not what they think he is. He is capable of rational thought, mechincally inclined, he in fact confounds and eventually reverses their sexisim. As the crew of the Pride has their sexist assumptions challenged and deconstructed, the real reader is invited to challenge and deconstruct their gender assumptions.

The Chanur books are profoundly egalitarian works, not D/s themed, because ultimately they contruct sentient creatures as free, autonomous (even across species--the Kif can change) and able to adopt roles and positions explicitly free of sex and gender assumptions.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 7/1/2007 6:24:48 PM

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I am surpised no one mentioned Jack L. Chalker. All of his books, without fail, include mind control D/s. A woman forced by a government court to be conditioned to crave naked servitude and slavery to a man. Godlike powers at the Well of Souls that compel women to adore and worship the man who has mastered them. A vampire in The Devil Will Drag You Under who controls a woman's mind, so that she eagerly betrays the household to help her master come in, so happy she can let herself and her family be feed upon and sacrifice herself to her new, vampiric master.

Man, talk about outing yourself.

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 7/1/2007 6:27:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

I'm amazed no one has mentioned Joanna Russ yet...

What, specifically, are you thinking of? Surely not The Female Man or We Who Are About To?

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RE: Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror Books that Click wit... - 7/1/2007 6:28:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir
The Chanur books are profoundly egalitarian works, not D/s themed, because ultimately they contruct sentient creatures as free, autonomous (even across species--the Kif can change) and able to adopt roles and positions explicitly free of sex and gender assumptions.

Absolutely correct, and your argument well presented - but dominant catgirls are still teh hotness, so folks who have their erotic buttons pushed by such things are likely to enjoy Chanur.

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