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SubinMaine -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 5:39:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I don't believe subinmaine's account of her story....Saying that she is a liar is a little strong....But I don't believe her account of what happened to be at all accurate....I usually don't believe everything that I read.


Yet you stated that you didn't believe my account of the situation because you couldn't "READ" it on the internet?

Again, i was there..the ONLY thing i omitted was the racial slur my friend used because i, personally, find it vulgar beyond the norm.

Side note:  If you don't believe everything you read, do not rely on the internet as your know-all-end-all source.




TheAlphaDom -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 5:40:12 PM)

My late, wonderful grandmother used to have a saying about the ACLU...All Criminals Love Us.




instynctive -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 5:45:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
I don't believe SubinMaine"s account of her story...I think it is a lie. Or is at least omitting many other facts.


If someone says something you believe to be a lie, does that or does that not make her a liar?  Would you be more prone to believing her if she were "ethnically diverse"?

Let's see.. half italian, some welsh, some english, some german, and I believe 1/4 Native American.

Nice mix. :-)




SubinMaine -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 5:49:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

wow....
that got ugly quick...damn shame [:-]


my apologies uwince....i know my post wasn't the most pleasant and i didn't mean to be as "ugly" as i was, but i don't do well with ignorance and i loathe being called a liar.

Being white, i truly took great offense at being referred to as "whitey"....when i relayed what happened to my friend i refered to the other person as "gentleman"...i did not point out his race (and still haven't) and i did not use a slur against him.

Having someone refer to my race as "whitey" in a derrogatory tone while calling me a liar just pushed all my wrong buttons.

For what it's worth i do believe that race needs to be kept out of it..if you do the crime, do the time...if it means stricter sentences, that's fine, maybe it'll make people think twice before they commit the acts of violence.





MstrssPassion -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 5:55:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

there is a way to curb it my friend,,,,procecute them for any real crimes they commit in order to thwart said people.
you cant lock them up for hating,,but when they cross that line...and actualy commit a crime..then procecute to the FULLEST extent of the law  
equal protection under the law...(where is fargle when i need him)  lol



This speaks volumes & why there is no point in having the conversation. (as I suggested much earlier) I had hoped that somewhere civil compassion would have kicked in... obviously this isn't the case & for that I'm sorry.

As I said earlier... until you have experienced this first hand I wouldn't expect you to understand. To you, this isn't real... confirmed by your own words, freely spoken & without coercion... just keep in mind, it isn't real in your world because it doesn't apply to you, but that doesn't remove that fact that is is real in another's world... making it very applicable in their world.

My entire take was never about race but I have plenty examples in my where I have faced hate solely because of my pale complexion (if they only knew that I view myself to be a mutt... not some purebred,  my background has a great deal of native american history) or I have felt soiled because of lascivious advances from persons of various races who, by their words..(not a direct quote).. they wanted to show this white girl some hot(jungle/latin/insert term here)-love.

~~~I had wrote a great deal more but before I sent it I decided against sharing. I'm afraid that anything more I would have to say on the subject would fall on deaf ears... so with that said, I think it is best to wish everyone well & close.




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:06:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

quote:

ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

there is a way to curb it my friend,,,,procecute them for any real crimes they commit in order to thwart said people.
you cant lock them up for hating,,but when they cross that line...and actualy commit a crime..then procecute to the FULLEST extent of the law  
equal protection under the law...(where is fargle when i need him)  lol



This speaks volumes & why there is no point in having the conversation. (as I suggested much earlier) I had hoped that somewhere civil compassion would have kicked in... obviously this isn't the case & for that I'm sorry.

As I said earlier... until you have experienced this first hand I wouldn't expect you to understand. To you, this isn't real... confirmed by your own words, freely spoken & without coercion... just keep in mind, it isn't real in your world because it doesn't apply to you, but that doesn't remove that fact that is is real in another's world... making it very applicable in their world.

My entire take was never about race but I have plenty examples in my where I have faced hate solely because of my pale complexion (if they only knew that I view myself to be a mutt... not some purebred,  my background has a great deal of native american history) or I have felt soiled because of lascivious advances from persons of various races who, by their words..(not a direct quote).. they wanted to show this white girl some hot(jungle/latin/insert term here)-love.

~~~I had wrote a great deal more but before I sent it I decided against sharing. I'm afraid that anything more I would have to say on the subject would fall on deaf ears... so with that said, I think it is best to wish everyone well & close.


ive had snide remarks made to me....im fat, redheaded, freckles, a true mutt too....when i was job hunting years ago, i know i didnt get a couple of jobs because of my weight.......thats ok with me-their company, their rules.....i have chosen to not hire workers because i didnt like the way they refused to look me in the eye, or just because something about them threw up red flags, even though they may have been well qualified.....i hire people i think i will enjoy working with and would like as a human being.....some folks dont like gat folks as human beings, and thats fine....

in school, someone always wanted to make fun of the redheaded, freckle faced chickie......i stuck out as different......it still happens today, add the fatness to it, and believe me i have seen harassment......i also have many who love me and think im the nicest, funniest human being they know. and a few think im pretty damn hot too.

i wouldnt think of filing a suit where i was discriminated against because of my weight....it was fates way of me finding the job i was born to do-and i havent had a bad day at work in years....

no i havent been beat up for being fat or redheaded yet.....and hope it never happens.....but if it did happen, i wouldnt care why they did it, id just be mighty pissed that they did it at all.

i still dont get the hate crimes thing....a crime is a crime......my aunt was brutally murdered and shes just as dead for being at the wrong place at the wrong time as is a person murdered because of thier __________. pick your chosen thing.

maybe its because i have been a white woman all my life and thats the only eyes i see the world through, but no matter how much i try to open my mind, it makes no sense to me.




uwinceismile -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:07:47 PM)

subinmaine :)
u have nothng to be sorry  for ,and u certainly dont owe me or anyone here an apology in my views :)
i wasnt happy with the whitey comment either, but i believe he was just pushin buttons ;)
so i used it more   lol,
anyway, i understood your post, and accepted them with an open mind.
i appreciated all ur post, and thoughts on this topic, as i have EVERYONES. even those who think i will never understand.
sometimes, just because we dont agree, doesnt mean we dont understand :)
costa




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:10:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

sometimes, just because we dont agree, doesnt mean we dont understand :)
costa


i love that-may i steal it?




uwinceismile -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:16:16 PM)

we are all diferent,,unique in our own way....the most common bond is that we are ALL unique .
i would hate to see the courts if we ALL had special laws to govern us :(




uwinceismile -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:17:47 PM)

why not seeks,,,i have never had a thought of my own :)
im sure i stole it from somehwere lol




TankII7871 -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:28:44 PM)

I had to fight most of my young life because of how i looked  the comments like red on the head like a dick on a dog and so forth were fighting words do i think those people should have been punished more because of what they said NO simply put i whipped thier ass and moved on.  To me the world is a confused place my GrandFather tought me all we need to live by is the 10 Golden Rules and the bill of rights one tells us what not to do and one tells us what we can do  on a lighter note  black white purple its all pink on the inside:)




SubinMaine -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:30:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TankII7871

on a lighter note  black white purple its all pink on the inside:)


Hah!  i was waiting for someone to post that *wink*




instynctive -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:51:17 PM)

Try being a white Yankee living in the south.. NO ONE (even other whites) likes you.

LOL




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:55:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: instynctive

Try being a white Yankee living in the south.. NO ONE (even other whites) likes you.

LOL


well yall DO talk funny as hell




instynctive -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 6:56:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne
well yall DO talk funny as hell


Funny.. do youse guys.

:-P

Edited to add:

I promise you though.. this neck is just as crimson as yours.. if not more so.. lol




MstrssPassion -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 7:08:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: instynctive

Try being a white Yankee living in the south.. NO ONE (even other whites) likes you.

LOL


Hey now... that isn't true.... this 6th generation Floridian (it don't get much further south than Florida) is totally shacked up with a great New England gal. At least she don't talk funny but neither do I since I was teased by a teacher about my southern accent when I was in the 3rd grade. However I had to figure out certain catch phrases like wicked pisser, wicked sucks & faster than a one-armed paper hanger (ok, I'm still working on that one)




instynctive -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 7:11:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion
Hey now... that isn't true.... this 6th generation Floridian (it don't get much further south than Florida) is totally shacked up with a great New England gal. At least she don't talk funny but neither do I since I was teased by a teacher about my southern accent when I was in the 3rd grade. However I had to figure out certain catch phrases like wicked pisser, wicked sucks & faster than a one-armed paper hanger (ok, I'm still working on that one)



You are the exception to the rule then.. LOL  I found myself in the backwoods deep south.. and literally.. no one liked me just cause I was a Yankee... until the first day of turkey season and I was the first one back to my office with my first ever shot turkey.. heh heh heh 




popeye1250 -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 8:38:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: instynctive

Try being a white Yankee living in the south.. NO ONE (even other whites) likes you.

LOL


I moved here to Myrtle Beach, SC from New Hampshire 3 years ago and I love it here!
I find the "rebels" here very friendly.




uwinceismile -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/3/2007 8:54:48 PM)

hey popeye,
i am counting on that. im looking to move to the carolina's by the end of the year or so.




SubinMaine -> RE: HATE CRIMES = thought policing? (7/4/2007 4:21:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: instynctive

Try being a white Yankee living in the south.. NO ONE (even other whites) likes you.

LOL


I moved here to Myrtle Beach, SC from New Hampshire 3 years ago and I love it here!
I find the "rebels" here very friendly.


i found it depends on the area....i was born down south and when we moved north (Mass) i was TORMENTED because of my drawl..learned real quick to lose it...now, when i visit family down south i'm tormented yet again (but not in a negative way) because of my failure to use the letter *R* when i speak lol....

There's exceptions to every rule, of course *smile*




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