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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:23:50 AM

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I too don't see a problem with private enterprise deciding to ban smoking in their workplace. But shouldn't they have the same right to allow it? You and I both know what would happen if a business did that.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:27:48 AM

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Huh???

Do you mean in violation of existing 'no smoking' laws?

That isn't remotely the same token.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:35:20 AM

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Now B and Instyc can testify to this as up here in Maine the anti smoking propganda machine in runnign hard and blowing smoke up everyrone's ass. The lastest commercials are directed to parents of those 18 and up,LEGAL adults now. The ad are of said offsrpign walking aroudn and being target by BIG tobbaco's computer, going over thier intrests, etc disposable income. The long and short of the commercial is that its on the PARENTS not the Teenagers who are by law adults to keep them from smoking.

Last time I checked plenty of us did shit our parents told us not to do. My dad smoked whe it was allowed we sat int he smokign sections of the resturants. I smoke too, because of my dad? Maybe not likely considerign i don't smoke the smae brand and have switched to the lil cigars which i smoke on averag one eveyr other week or two on fridays when out at the bar. Whammy number two.

Now as for employeers pickign who they want based on petty shit liek smokign and no smoking. Guess what they have been doing it for years, only before this is was about race. Then it moved on to tattoos and piercings, cuz all inked and pierced up people are unfriendly and can't do a good job.

I agree with everyone else on this first its gonna be smoking and then everythng else. What do you eat? how much do you weigh? What do you watch on tv? What political party to you belong to? What are your religious beliefs? When I was 17 i worked for the water disctrict in las Vegas myself and 3 other went out on smoke breaks every day, but you know what we also did we went on walk with the rest of our particular office around the entire building. i worked in a medical office that sold medical equipment mostly oxygen and apnea machines 5 out of the 8 working there smoked. this was our boss, "I PREFER it if you don't smoke, but as long as the job gets done and you do it far away from the warehouse, go ahead" Hell when I worked at Chuck E chese they didn't give a rat's ass as logn as we did it in the back and not out front of the building.

That gives me an idea.
Someone should make some PSAs about how $8 an hour jobs and this global economy are hazzardous to your health and financial welfare.
If Bush likes all these one way "trade deals" and this "global economy" then you know it's no good.
Problem is H.Clinton likes them too and she just voted for that amnesty bill.
And the difference between Bush and Clinton is.....?
A lot of people in Washington think we need "more trade" with foreign countries."
Oh? Why?

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:48:55 AM

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Now B and Instyc can testify to this as up here in Maine the anti smoking propganda machine in runnign hard and blowing smoke up everyrone's ass.

Oh my god.. you see/hear all those commercials too? Talk about a mud-slinging campaign.. Every time I hear one I find myself lighting up! LOL

But yeah.. no smoking in bars or restaurants.. seems to me Kennebunk just passed a "no smoking in public" piece of legislation. The State has about a $20 tax on a carton of smokes, which is why we choose to travel the 25 minutes to NH to get "half price" cigarettes.

Meh.. it's all a moot point. My employer doesn't mind that I smoke, I don't smoke around non-smokers or those with allergies or asthma, etc. Sure, my truck smells like an ashtray, but you know what? It's MY truck. I febreeze it on occasion.

Do I like the fact I smoke? Of course not! Do I try to get kids to smoke? NO. If a kid comes up to me and asks for a smoke, I tell them "no". Yes, it happens.. all the time.

Is smoking "cool"? No. Do I want and need to quit? Yes. AM I able to? Not without help. I remember another poster mentioning "just quit, I know it's hard, but just quit, and I've never smoked". Obviously not. It's not always that easy.

And if I had a boss that smoked and told me to quit smoking or be fired, I'd punch him in his face for being so ignorant.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:52:07 AM

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What if they told you, that you can't smoke outside of work-hours, at your home, on vacation, etc?

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:53:40 AM

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We are talking about two seperate topics....Cigs are legal...They have been around forever...Are they good for you?...NO.

I am an employer I have two prospects I might hire they are both equally suited for the job...One smokes the other does not....I'm hiring the non-smoker.

Why would I hire the person who smokes?

My mother's family were farmers here in Maryland and several of them raised tobacco decades ago; it's a dirty job, a nasty job planting/harvesting and the damned plants drain the soil of just about every good mineral leaving it unable to support the growth of other crops for years to come. Tobacco farming here in Maryland is almost non-existent today; most (not all) of the tobacco used around the world is now grown in other countries. To my knowledge, tobacco is no longer subsidized by the Federal Government; although, i know for a fact that the Government pays many of our crop producers (like wheat, corn and oranges) to grow and then trash their product so as to not flood the market. Think of it, they are paid to grow the crop, harvest it and then dump it to rot on the ground just so we can pay higher prices .... lovely business, that.

i do not want to have to walk through the clouds of smoke to enter/exit a building; i don't want to have to sit next to a co-worker during a meeting who reeks because they indulged in their addiction just prior to the meeting; i don't want to have to do a co-worker's job/work simply because they are out sick once more due to complications of their addiction.

i used to smoke; no longer. Because i no longer smoke, i also don't get sick with bronchitis and other respiratory illnesses 3-4 times per season. It's expensive, downright moronic as it can lead to numerous unhealthy side effects (like early death), stinks, hurts others, has ABSOLUTELY NO redeeming use whatsoever, isn't sexy, doesn't define adulthood (as was the claim when i was growing up), etc.

BTW, to those of you who claim that the Government should make smoking illegal ... um, grow up!! It didn't work for Prohibition, it doesn't work for marijuana, crack, cocaine, heroin, etc. so why would it work for tobacco? Take some responsibility for your actions and stop blaiming the rest of the world because you have no self-control.

Yay! let's hear it for Domiguy ... If you own a company, you can hire who you want. If that means no smokers or no obese people for WHATEVER reason, then it's fine by me. Of course, that means that over the years, i also lost jobs for what some claim to be unfair reasons, but then who ever claimed that life was fair? In what Fairy Tale do you live??

It IS an addiction, it IS difficult to quit but those are NOT plausible excuses. There are all sorts of free programs, drugs, etc. to help these days. Doctors and companies are falling all over themselves to help people quit and keep kids from starting. It would be different if this were a disease that one caught without choice ... but smokers do this to themselves and to the rest of us BY CHOICE and i have absolutely NO sympathy for the problems they bring upon themselves by consciously continuing to do so.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 10:54:25 AM

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I hear that smoking pot prevents lung cancer....

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:04:47 AM

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And if I had a boss that smoked and told me to quit smoking or be fired, I'd punch him in his face for being so ignorant.

With this type of attitude we don't feel at this time your are quite "Domiguy Industries material."....lol.

I'm a outdoors kinda guy, buy my smokes up in Wi....$32.00 bucks a carton instead of paying $8.00 pack in Chicago.

This smoking hobby of mine is relatively new....I really dig it....I can feel the effects of smoking...They for the most part are not positive....Aside from that cigarette with coffee...after sex....while having a drink....after work...while fishing under a star lit sky...while driving...on and on and fucking on...

We know it is bad for us....So why wouldn't a perspective employer have the right to feel the same? It sucks...but it does hold some logic....playing a bit of the devil's advocate.

Did I mention we, at Domiguy Industries, don't hire smokers or women who wear undergaments?....And that they are all hot!...Sometimes we will forsake the idea of being a productive worker if you are a real hottie.....Cuz we roll like dat....You might want to consider quitting your hobby.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:06:24 AM

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With this type of attitude we don't feel at this time your are quite "Domiguy Industries material."....lol.

Well damn. Just shatter my life-long dream.. ;-)

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:06:49 AM

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Now B and Instyc can testify to this as up here in Maine the anti smoking propganda machine in runnign hard and blowing smoke up everyrone's ass.

Oh my god.. you see/hear all those commercials too? Talk about a mud-slinging campaign.. Every time I hear one I find myself lighting up! LOL

Yep It asll one large maine anti smoking group. You know they just launched a website about the evisl of big tobbacco and how as logn as there are kids there will be big tabbacco? If the ran those ads about as often as the do the anti abortion ones i wouldn't giv a damn but its like every other commercial break. At his poitn i am keeping my lil cigars and my hookah. two packs of primetimes cost me about the same as a regualr pack of cigs. And my hookah? free from that stupid tax increase cuz i by my shisha tobbacco online.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:27:01 AM

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BTW, to those of you who claim that the Government should make smoking illegal ... um, grow up!! It didn't work for Prohibition, it doesn't work for marijuana, crack, cocaine, heroin, etc. so why would it work for tobacco? Take some responsibility for your actions and stop blaiming the rest of the world because you have no self-control.

Hmmm...i'm one of those who thinks that if the government (being courts of law) is going to fully back a company for discriminating against a perfectly legal activity that, then, maybe they should go ahead and make it illegal. Makes perfect sense if you view it from OUTSIDE the box.

Grow up indeed...i don't remember blaming anyone other than myself for smoking...hmm...perhaps, however, if it were made illegal, i (on a personal stand point alone) would try a bit harder (and maybe succeed) to quit. i know me, i'd be terrified of getting locked up in a jail cell (and not the kinky kind).

If i remember correctly, the original point of the thread is how far we're willing to let our basic rights (the right to participate in legal activities) be stripped away for the chance at employment. This would encompass smoking, as well as weight, stress factors and so on.

It's too bad all smokers aren't as strong as you are, then it'd be a non-issue, wouldn't it?

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ORIGINAL: slave2MasterD
Yay! let's hear it for Domiguy ... If you own a company, you can hire who you want. If that means no smokers or no obese people for WHATEVER reason, then it's fine by me. Of course, that means that over the years, i also lost jobs for what some claim to be unfair reasons, but then who ever claimed that life was fair? In what Fairy Tale do you live??

Of course you would applaud this...why wouldn't you? You don't smoke (any longer) and from the looks of your pictures, you're not obese, so no worries for you there either...again, the point is...if your right to pursue a legal activity is now a valid reason for you to be turned down for a job, what's next? Eventually, you WILL have a vice (or problem or issue) that'll be up next on the chopping block. Are you saying that you are willing to give up any and all activities that you enjoy because someone else doesn't see eye to eye with you on the matter? Your lifestyle in itself could be next...just a thought.

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It IS an addiction, it IS difficult to quit but those are NOT plausible excuses. There are all sorts of free programs, drugs, etc. to help these days. Doctors and companies are falling all over themselves to help people quit and keep kids from starting. It would be different if this were a disease that one caught without choice ... but smokers do this to themselves and to the rest of us BY CHOICE and i have absolutely NO sympathy for the problems they bring upon themselves by consciously continuing to do so.

Hmmm...trade off one drug (nicotine) for another drug to get past the original addiction only to become reliant on the cure? (reminds me of methodone...)

Yes, yes...i (as a smoker) am not looking for sympathy...and i'm sure there are others that feel the same way. Remember, you were once a part of that disgusting crowd who has no self control...quite easy now that you're over your addiction (if an addiction was ever present) to point the finger of blame and disgust at others who may just be starting out on their journey to being smoke free...what a wonderful support structure...

You know, in AA, recovering alcoholics HELP current alcoholics get past their addictions...great concept as far as i'm concerned :)

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:30:59 AM

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This is a fast reply and to no one in particular~

If they should ever decide to make ignorance and stupidity illegal we're going to need a lot more prisons.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:31:46 AM

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Yep It asll one large maine anti smoking group. You know they just launched a website about the evisl of big tobbacco and how as logn as there are kids there will be big tabbacco? If the ran those ads about as often as the do the anti abortion ones i wouldn't giv a damn but its like every other commercial break. At his poitn i am keeping my lil cigars and my hookah. two packs of primetimes cost me about the same as a regualr pack of cigs. And my hookah? free from that stupid tax increase cuz i by my shisha tobbacco online.

I would love to show up at work with a hookah.. lol Some would laugh, others would scratch their head, one in particular might run screaming for the hills (my intended reaction.. lol).

Those ads are 100% unnecessary.. the one about the pill you can take.. to help "big tobacco executives" sleep at night for selling poison and death to kids, etc. How dare you interrupt my music for that! :-)

I also love all these out of state groups who want to convert Maine into a PC and "everyone-friendly" place in order to "protect" the natural resources.. like mowing down acres and acres or wild tuimberland in the Allagash Valley to install parking lots and handicap ramps... WTF? So we're going to "civilize" the wilderness to protect it?

No thanks.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:32:25 AM

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Hmmm...i'm one of those who thinks that if the government (being courts of law) is going to fully back a company for discriminating against a perfectly legal activity that, then, maybe they should go ahead and make it illegal. Makes perfect sense if you view it from OUTSIDE the box.

It is perfectly legal to be tone deaf... are are saying that the government should either force musicians to hire tone deaf people to work in their bands, or make it illegal?

It is perfectly legal to be bald... are you saying that directors should have no choice in hiring someone with hair for a role, or else the government should outlaw baldness?

I'm glad that makes sense to you, I can't see it.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:34:54 AM

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Being tone deaf makes it impossible for you to fulfill your job duties performing in a band, doesn't it?

The question is, as I understand, is: Notwithstanding the ability to perform the job, what other factors are legitimate to discriminate against?

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:38:38 AM

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Hmmm...i'm one of those who thinks that if the government (being courts of law) is going to fully back a company for discriminating against a perfectly legal activity that, then, maybe they should go ahead and make it illegal. Makes perfect sense if you view it from OUTSIDE the box.

It is perfectly legal to be tone deaf... are are saying that the government should either force musicians to hire tone deaf people to work in their bands, or make it illegal?

It is perfectly legal to be bald... are you saying that directors should have no choice in hiring someone with hair for a role, or else the government should outlaw baldness?

I'm glad that makes sense to you, I can't see it.

When the quality of work produced is not affected it should not matter. A company can let an employee go if their "addiction" is detrimental to the work they produce. In other words, if a smoker is out constantly due to smoking related bronchitis (not ALL bronchitis is smoking related, by the way) then they can let the employee go for excessive absence.

Why punish a smoker with a perfect track record (using as an example) for one who is out sick due to illness brought on by smoking? Why punish the overweight person who's work performance is brilliant because of the overweight person who uses their condition as an excuse for not being able to perform a particular function?

i do see the sense in it, i'm sorry you do not.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:48:55 AM

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BTW, to those of you who claim that the Government should make smoking illegal ... um, grow up!! It didn't work for Prohibition, it doesn't work for marijuana, crack, cocaine, heroin, etc. so why would it work for tobacco? Take some responsibility for your actions and stop blaiming the rest of the world because you have no self-control.

Hmmm...i'm one of those who thinks that if the government (being courts of law) is going to fully back a company for discriminating against a perfectly legal activity that, then, maybe they should go ahead and make it illegal. Makes perfect sense if you view it from OUTSIDE the box.

Grow up indeed...i don't remember blaming anyone other than myself for smoking...hmm...perhaps, however, if it were made illegal, i (on a personal stand point alone) would try a bit harder (and maybe succeed) to quit. i know me, i'd be terrified of getting locked up in a jail cell (and not the kinky kind).

If i remember correctly, the original point of the thread is how far we're willing to let our basic rights (the right to participate in legal activities) be stripped away for the chance at employment. This would encompass smoking, as well as weight, stress factors and so on.

It's too bad all smokers aren't as strong as you are, then it'd be a non-issue, wouldn't it?

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Yay! let's hear it for Domiguy ... If you own a company, you can hire who you want. If that means no smokers or no obese people for WHATEVER reason, then it's fine by me. Of course, that means that over the years, i also lost jobs for what some claim to be unfair reasons, but then who ever claimed that life was fair? In what Fairy Tale do you live??

Of course you would applaud this...why wouldn't you? You don't smoke (any longer) and from the looks of your pictures, you're not obese, so no worries for you there either...again, the point is...if your right to pursue a legal activity is now a valid reason for you to be turned down for a job, what's next? Eventually, you WILL have a vice (or problem or issue) that'll be up next on the chopping block. Are you saying that you are willing to give up any and all activities that you enjoy because someone else doesn't see eye to eye with you on the matter? Your lifestyle in itself could be next...just a thought.

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It IS an addiction, it IS difficult to quit but those are NOT plausible excuses. There are all sorts of free programs, drugs, etc. to help these days. Doctors and companies are falling all over themselves to help people quit and keep kids from starting. It would be different if this were a disease that one caught without choice ... but smokers do this to themselves and to the rest of us BY CHOICE and i have absolutely NO sympathy for the problems they bring upon themselves by consciously continuing to do so.

Hmmm...trade off one drug (nicotine) for another drug to get past the original addiction only to become reliant on the cure? (reminds me of methodone...)

Yes, yes...i (as a smoker) am not looking for sympathy...and i'm sure there are others that feel the same way. Remember, you were once a part of that disgusting crowd who has no self control...quite easy now that you're over your addiction (if an addiction was ever present) to point the finger of blame and disgust at others who may just be starting out on their journey to being smoke free...what a wonderful support structure...

You know, in AA, recovering alcoholics HELP current alcoholics get past their addictions...great concept as far as i'm concerned :)

Your argument lacks clear thinking....Why would a life insurance company want to know if you scuba dive, are a pilot, hang glide or participate in any form of motorized racing....All of these activities are 100% legal....But the choices that we make...Have can have an impact on our lives....Smoking is no different....It is a proven killer...People who smoke are generally "sicker" than their non- smoking counterparts....they smell like ass...They take time off from work for non scheduled cig breaks...They have a higher chance of getting into a car crash.

These are facts....I'm not just the owner of domiguy industries, I'm a client as well....(means nothing just was kinda fun typing it)

Anywhooooo......Your argument is foundless....If you can provide the information as to how hiring a smoker would be beneficial to Domiguy Industries...Well, I'm all ears....And cock...A huge fucking cock.

Now where exactly is this prison the erin was alluding to?

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 11:55:29 AM

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Hehe perosnally i love wheni say the word and ppl get a wtf look on their face. downside having to explain that it is no a fucking BONG can be used for weed but that wasn't the orginal intent. Need a new base for mine since the ex's cat's thought it would be cute to knock it over. blah food break.

and dom what if you hire a reall REALLY hot chick I mean hotter than angelina and she does wear panteies and could suck chrome off a bumper that smoke still turn her down for the job?

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 12:01:40 PM

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nd dom what if you hire a reall REALLY hot chick I mean hotter than angelina and she does wear panteies and could suck chrome off a bumper that smoke still turn her down for the job?

We have are standards which are non negotiable....No, we would never hire this woman....However, I could easily see the interviewing process lasting 6-9 months.

Off to a BBQ.....These fuckers won't let me smoke in front of their kid.....Mother fuckin', cock suckers. I mean the kid goes outside and has to breath in all of the fumes....What's the big deal?

I hate children...Till they reach the age of about 27.

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RE: Smokers ned not apply - 7/4/2007 12:02:29 PM

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Your argument lacks clear thinking....Why would a life insurance company want to know if you scuba dive, are a pilot, hang glide or participate in any form of motorized racing....All of these activities are 100% legal....But the choices that we make...Have can have an impact on our lives....Smoking is no different....It is a proven killer...People who smoke are generally "sicker" than their non- smoking counterparts....they smell like ass...They take time off from work for non scheduled cig breaks...They have a higher chance of getting into a car crash.

You're right, however it's our choice to choose whether to purchase life insurance or not.

You use the life insurance angle a lot...but this isn't about life insurance. It's about being turned down for a job that you may be very much qualified for because you have a perfectly legal habit. Unless you are a trust fund baby or come from a very well to do background or held an incredible job with enormous income and were able to save enough money so you no longer HAVE to work, it's wise to remember that everyday people need to work.

Discrimination is, essentially, against the law. That being said, everyone is going to die at some point in their lives, can't escape it, some sooner than others, that is a fact.

Yes, smoking is a choice, and once made, can very quickly turn into an addiction. It's not a nice habit, it's not a healthy habit not one smoker on here is arguing the effects it can have on their health.

Again, i pose the question...with the puritanical "holier than thou" attitudes that are being used as argument, what would happen if you lost your business? You had to work for someone else and they thought BDSM was vile, against all that they believe in and refused you a job based on your CHOICE to pursue the activity? Would you not feel slighted?

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