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2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/7/2007 10:48:51 PM

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Time for my 2 a.m. question.
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Would you Masters take a submissive that was very poor and/or
physically handicapped or with known mental illness?

Why or why not?

I mean poor with no end in sight poor.
Maybe living in a trailer with 4 children and eating beans every night type of poor.
Physically handicapped as in disabled in a wheelchair, paralyzed in the right arm, or
partially blind.
What about known mental illness? Something being controlled with medication, but
well, the woman still has glaring "issues".

This woman despite her limitations is very sweet and would make a wonderful submissive.
Would you overlook her infirmities and bring her into your life?

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/7/2007 10:56:35 PM

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Poor with no end in sight of not being poor- no. Because I cannot sustain us both financially and provide a fulfilling and healthy life for myself and another person. Also part of why I choose to not get pregnant. BTW I'll define poor as not being able to pay basic life expenses on an ongoing basis.

As well, it's unlikely that someone is poor with no end in sight of being poor unless they are incompetent or choose not to maintaint a stable life. I wouldn't want a person like that even if they were rich.

Disabled- depends on how much it impacts their lives. Choosing to be with someone who already has disabilities is also a very different choice from being with someone, having shit happen and THEN trying to handle disabilities- I'm talking about the former. I'm not a nurse, I have a particular standard of life I want to enjoy, and it wouldn't be a good match for me to be with someone who had certain limitations and problems.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/7/2007 10:58:47 PM

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Thank you LA, for an honest and well stated answer.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/7/2007 10:59:15 PM

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Is this a hypothetical, or are you pimping for this poor woman? I can't tell from reading your post.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/7/2007 11:01:47 PM

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LOL, just a hypothetical, I don't have time to pimp for anyone else.
But there are women like this around here, believe it.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/7/2007 11:07:00 PM

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Poor with no end in sight of not being poor- no. Because I cannot sustain us both financially and provide a fulfilling and healthy life for myself and another person. Also part of why I choose to not get pregnant. BTW I'll define poor as not being able to pay basic life expenses on an ongoing basis.

As well, it's unlikely that someone is poor with no end in sight of being poor unless they are incompetent or choose not to maintaint a stable life. I wouldn't want a person like that even if they were rich.

Disabled- depends on how much it impacts their lives. Choosing to be with someone who already has disabilities is also a very different choice from being with someone, having shit happen and THEN trying to handle disabilities- I'm talking about the former. I'm not a nurse, I have a particular standard of life I want to enjoy, and it wouldn't be a good match for me to be with someone who had certain limitations and problems.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 3:25:16 AM

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Dear MzMia, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I have worked ever since I could in some shape or fashion, then as soon as I got my diploma I was off on a career.

I can consider temporary financial set backs but, with all the financial assistance given to the illegals -- I'm annoyed the aid isn't here for my mother who is a senior citizen and born and legal here in the States.

Becoming old and crippled up with Arthritis --I would not be able to serve in a slave capacity and, I don't think it will improve until I'm dead and cannot feel the pain from neck to toes. So, unless they're several stages behind me--and more able then I -- I will consider them.

As far as mental health issues--it is something I am leary of. I'm not sure if I want to handle my own mental health and theirs too, as I am not a professional. And, one cannot force someone to get help. That may change since the Virginia Tech massacre but, in general --I rather be alone instead of an invisible bomb ticking in their mind.

It is 6:24 AM --still trying to find sleep myself.

Just some thoughts.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 4:01:51 AM

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Would you Masters take a submissive that was very poor and/or
physically handicapped or with known mental illness?

I mean poor with no end in sight poor.
Maybe living in a trailer with 4 children and eating beans every night type of poor.

Poor, yes. Hell, I'm not rich by any stretch. As long as she held down a job, not a problem. Eating beans every night? Phew....... *holds nose*. 4 kids? Oh, hell no.

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Physically handicapped as in disabled in a wheelchair, paralyzed in the right arm, or
partially blind.

Possibly, it just depended on the disability. If she were to become disabled after we were in a relationship, I wouldn't leave her due to it.

quote:

What about known mental illness? Something being controlled with medication, but
well, the woman still has glaring "issues".

No.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 4:49:27 AM

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I have to agree with many of the other posters here-- especially what LA said.

If it were a temporary financial set back, I might be willing to still give it a go, if the submissive were compatible in all other areas.

Having raised a quadriplegic son, no-- I wouldn't take on a fully disabled person-- my nursing years are over.

Mental health issues-- probably not.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 5:07:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Time for my 2 a.m. question.
Masters? Come out and play.

Would you Masters take a submissive that was very poor and/or
physically handicapped or with known mental illness?

Poor, yes. Phys. handicapped, maybe. Mentally ill, no.

quote:

Why or why not?

Because how poor one is can be remedied. I can overlook a physical handicap, depending on what it is and how much it affects their service. As for the mentally ill, well, I already consider most women mentally ill, no offense, why would I want one that has to be medically treated?

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 5:10:38 AM

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May I be so bold as to say that you can have what is considered a severe mental illness and still not have it have a significant affect on your day-to-day life.

You can even have two and still be "fine".

It depends on the person, the illness, their attitude to it, the support available, and the way they live their life.

Mental illnesses are no different to physical illnesses in that respect.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 5:30:16 AM

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If I met a potential submissive who told me that he was living in a trailer with 4 kids and eating beans every night, I would be more inclined to help him look for some programs and a job than to take him as a submissive. I'd do the same if someone in that same financial situation expressed interested in a vanilla relationship.

Disabled in a wheelchair? No, unless it were someone I'd known, liked, and respected for some time. An additional restriction would be that he'd have to be capable of doing most or all daily activities unaided or with a minimum of aid. The duties that personal care assistants perform don't appeal to me. Paralyzed in the right arm? Sure. Partially blind? If he can work and/or drive, it's a possibility. I know a person who only has one eye who does both--and much more.

Mental illness? Hmm, I think that if he still has glaring issues, it's not really under control. Even something like excessive tics or a tendency to behave very inappropriately at times would be a turn-off. But if it's a situation where a sub confides that he takes psychotropic medications and I wouldn't have known otherwise, no big deal.

Still, I might bring someone with any or all of the above-mentioned issues into my life--just not as my submissive.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 6:53:09 AM

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Would you Masters take a submissive that was very poor and/or
physically handicapped or with known mental illness?

Why or why not?

I mean poor with no end in sight poor.
Maybe living in a trailer with 4 children and eating beans every night type of poor.
Physically handicapped as in disabled in a wheelchair, paralyzed in the right arm, or
partially blind.
What about known mental illness? Something being controlled with medication, but
well, the woman still has glaring "issues".

This woman despite her limitations is very sweet and would make a wonderful submissive.
Would you overlook her infirmities and bring her into your life?

There are several different questions here.

Generally whether she were poor or not is not a consideration to me. I make enough to support someone else and that's my intention anyway. However, why she was so poor would concern me. Someone who had habitual money problems, or wasted their paycheck because of alcoholism or drug use would very much concern me. Such a person would not be of interest to me. Someone who was poor out of unfortunate circumstance would not affect my decision either way, its simply something I would overlook.

Having four children, or indeed any children, would rule her out. I personally am not looking for a submissive with children. I do want to have children of my own, but a blended family is not something I care to tackle. In my case I do not think it would work out very well.

Physically handicapped, would depend on how debilitating it was. I knew a girl who was deaf but was not inhibited by it in any way that mattered to me. Someone confined to a wheelchair likely would be a problem since I enjoy camping, hiking and exploring caves. I'm not sure how compatible I would be with someone who was blind, etc.

Mental illnesses is a term that seems to get thrown around a lot these days. I'll just say this, if its severe enough to be causing "glaring issues" then no I would not be interested. Someone who has a lot of glaring issues, regardless of the cause, will have some strikes against them. I'm not here to "fix" anyone. I want a slaves who can be good companions and be of service to me, not "fix up" projects.

So while this fictional poor submissive might indeed be very submissive (and why so, is it out of desparation or genuine desire?), whether they would be a "wonderful" submissive is a very subjective judgement. In my case, such a person would not be very desirable, no matter how submissive they may otherwise be. Its a bit like applying for a job, a person my be very eager but without the right qualifications they still aren't getting the job.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 10:00:39 AM

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LOL.. Im sorry I was just thinking.. Im poor... as In I really have no money of my own, but that beeing said, I dont think I know any college students who arent poor, its kinda part of the entire college student thing(Kind of par for the course). I live at home and a very nice home. I live with my parents who because Im in school support me. However in a few years I will be self sufficiant because I will have my masters in an area that almost garantees me a job that pays $50+ thousand a year starting rate along with full benafits for me as well as my future spouse and children( I say almost garentees because there is a great need for the profession Im getting my masters in)

So I guess I wouldnt be considered poor with no end in sight as my situation is for a good reason and temperery. However I know that a lot of the 18-25ish group in CM are in my boat.

I know I know not what you ment so to answer your question...

Well I would think there are some Dom's here with the white knight complex who would love to swoop in and save slaves like that, however I question how one could be a good sub/slave when they cant even take care of them selfs, and many wouldnt want to take on someone who in the end isnt contributeing all the much to a relationship. The reality is its hard enough supporing yourself let alone a poor slave and her 4 kids!!!

As for the dissability, Id be hesatent to get involved with someone who was segnifacently dissabaled. However it wouldnt stop me dead in my tracks it would just be something more for me to take into consideration, as for glareing mental issues, that I would stay away from, it took a lot for me to stabalise my own issues I am very empathic and well someone els haveing issues effects me and I couldnt deal with it personaly, just my own preferance!!

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 10:13:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

Time for my 2 a.m. question.
Masters? Come out and play.

Would you Masters take a submissive that was very poor and/or
physically handicapped or with known mental illness?

Why or why not?

I mean poor with no end in sight poor.
Maybe living in a trailer with 4 children and eating beans every night type of poor.
Physically handicapped as in disabled in a wheelchair, paralyzed in the right arm, or
partially blind.
What about known mental illness? Something being controlled with medication, but
well, the woman still has glaring "issues".

This woman despite her limitations is very sweet and would make a wonderful submissive.
Would you overlook her infirmities and bring her into your life?

Me oh my what in the world are you doing up at 2AM? However an interesting question, and when I find those I like to reply.

POOR? Heck sure! Why not? I mean a Master (in my book anyway) has to realize that slaves require care and feeding, like any animal. A Master, as I see it, to be a Master has to be able to afford to "own" slaves. So yes, I have done it and will do it again.

PHYSICAL HANDICAP? Of course, I have had several women over the course of my life who were able to serve admirably in spite of handicapes. Blind, yes, been there, done that and it was very rewarding. Wheelchair? ditto. As for physical handicaps, one woman had CP, and another had a marked limp from a congenital birth defect. The whole idea, at least for me, is service and the devotion that the slave gives to the Master.

MENTAL ILLNESS? Yup.. but that is the most difficult.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 10:46:48 AM

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Poor is a relative issue, what you are talking about is abject poverty. I am not a dominant, but as a submissive, I wouldn't move into that situation, so I couldn't imagine many taking in someone in that position. Mistress isn't rich, neither am I, but our bills and our needs we both take care of quite well, and that was my only financial prerequisite for anyone I would serve. I can't speak for Mistress, but if I couldn't at least support my bills, then I couldn't see Her having taken me in.

For the physical, it would honestly depend on the disability. I worked as a rehab nurse for 7 years, and I understand quite well what the level of care would be for various maladies. However, if Mistress were to become disabled, it would be different, because that would become part of life in the relationship and I would serve and care for Her. Again, not speaking for Her, I'm sure She would reciprocate the care.

I think every single person on the face of the earth is screwed up in the head some way or another, so I feel in that regard it would just depend on the level or type of mental disability they had.

I think in this lifestyle, responsibility is so huge in WIITWD, and personally, I have to see that same responsibility in regards to life outside of the BDSM realm. Quite simply, if you are too batty or ill equiped to take care of the UM's properly, you are simply to irresponsible or fargone in the head for me to trust you hitting, cutting, whipping, etc. me also.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 11:42:32 AM

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Interesting thread, MzMia.
Sadly, many people are not willing to consider potential partners
that are poor, disabled or mentally ill.
For me, it would be how the person was handling their situation and
how we got along as friends.
If I felt we could make a future together, I would give the person a chance.
Now the woman with the 4 children that eat beans every night?
I would have to pass on her.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 12:26:07 PM

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I'd only like to comment on the disability section if I may. I've had two experiences lately that have had me thinking the same thing. The first one I was fingerprinting a bunch of deaf and mute girls (you can believe they're a gang of bank robbers if you like) and they attentiveness they showed to each and every action I took was really getting to me. The eye contact was driving me up the wall, everytime they looked me in the eyes there was a real sense of communication. Well, if I could have figured out how to ask one out discretely I would have, but sadly I wouldn't even know if they were saying yes or no. Maybe I'll start learning to sign.
Second, the other night I was on some steps in downtown chicago and there was this couple, the girl had no legs and was in a wheelchair. Well, her boyfriend scooped her up, sat down on the chair himself with her sitting on his lap. They then proceeded to have a very serious makeout session. The chemistry that those two had, I was insanly jealous of the boyfriend, was amazing. I thought, if I found a person that I connected too like that, it wouldn't matter legs or not.
Well, I'm sorry I've subjected you to my horrible spelling and rambling incoherant thoughts, but in short, yeah, I think we all have problems as people, some are more easily seen, but for a friend or lover, we have to adapt and accept if we want a real connection.

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 12:44:02 PM

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Well... I guess there's just no chance for me then.

I better hope I can sell some writing... better stock up on personal toys and continue to haunt message boards and chats... Because it looks like no matter what I did with my life... where I got to and fell from and my personal worth... my illness and current situation isn't going to change and no matter how I view it and handle it and continue to try... I am shit outta luck!

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RE: 2 a.m. post/Submissives that are poor, disabled, etc. - 7/8/2007 12:53:54 PM

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Yes, Yes, Yes .... I would take a Sub of Slave that was poor, not in good health or disabled ... in fact, I have had a number of them that were in that situation in my 20+ years in the lifestyle. I can provide for a good home and food on the table. I've had the female do the house work and yard work (that was her contribution to the household) while I went out and earned the $$$$$.

Kids on the other hand, DO complicate the matter a bit ... but I did a have one once and it worked out quite well for a couple of years., hence I would not rule it out either.

I am currently seeking to EXPAND my Poly Household in South Denver and most certainly would consider the INDIVIDUAL, not her $$$ nor her ability/disability. (no males, please)

Those interested should apply ... I'm Woody3333 at aoldotcom with a DETAILED application and pics.

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