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DiurnalVampire -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 12:04:26 PM)
I would ave to agree with everyone else. The dog is not the one with the problem. Yes, the humping and al the dominant issues were, but those seem ot have been handled. However, if for the past 7 years the dog has been taught to only go when he is out on his walk, your putting him on the patio isnt something he is going to understand as being outside. Has your Master ever punished him for going on the patio when he was younger? You might be giving the poor thing mixed signals, since if Master made it clear the patio was NOT for pooping and now you are trying to reteath him, it may not work. You are ot dealing with a puppy, you are dealing with an older dog. They do learn new tricks, but it takes time, and usually not if they are unlearning old tricks. If your dog is not getting the excercise of long walks, maybe she is the one with the problem. They should both be getting out of the house, and getting longer walks in the fresh air as often as time and weather will allow. You are overreacting, your Master is right. And rather than trying to discipline a dog that is not necessarily misbehaving, maybe you should try keeping your routines. Or, rather, his routines. DV

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 12:20:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind Get one of those shock collars that can be controlled remotely. Next time he lets loose on the carpet give him a zap. (The pug, not your Master.) Bet that behavior wilkl change real quick. Here is how that scenario looks to me: Stop taking the dog outside to relieve himself, set him up for failure by sticking him in an area where YOU expect him to relieve himself but he has NO idea that is what you expect of him, then torture him when he can't hold it anymore... I don't think the shock collar is the way to go. But it could just be me...

sleazybutterfly -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 12:37:45 PM)
I agree it's you and not the dog. They know when others don't like them and from what you have written, it is a sudden behavior. There are usually reasons for that, from health, to just vibes he gets. My dog will let me know when he is pissed, literally. That will be on something, my couch, the bed, a box..anything that shows me he is not happy. If I look back , and I can usually see what caused it. I am sure you and your Master could figure out the same thing.

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 1:43:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stateira He has been crate trained for most of his life...but it's hardly ever used. He thinks he is the king and has been allowed to run free and be wherever he wants whenever he wants. I hate to have to leave him in there all the time...this problem is a recent development like I said. We've been living here around 8 months now and it's just in the past month or so that he started doing this. First of all, this dog was getting outside and getting exercise for 90 minutes a day (and your Master too for that matter). Then you come along and not only does he not get that fresh air and exercise, now you want him to pee and shit on a patio then come right back inside. Let's ignore the fact that this is mean and unfair of you and just focus on the training aspect. What training techniques have you employed to retrain him to "go" on the patio? If you haven't done anything to train him to go on the patio, you are setting him up for failure. Have you tried using any of the various positive reinforcement training methods? *Using a pee pad with some on his own pee on it, put it on the patio near where you want him to pee and give him lots of praise and encouragement to do it? (TIP: Use a higher pitch when praising and encouraging him and act very excited). That being said. He is not "peeing 12 times" each time he goes out. More likely than not, he is peeing once and marking territory the other 11 times. it's something dogs do. I see nothing wrong with him doing so. That 90 minutes of exercise a day was healthy and fun. You essentially removed that completely. You could even give him one 30 minute walk and he would be ok. Just don't take it all away from him. "A tired dog is a good dog." It's one thing to stop unwanted behaviors in a spoiled dog. It's quite another to have a negative impact on his quality of life.

brightspot -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 2:35:15 PM)
~fr~ I just can not believe sometimes people's ignorance when it comes to animals. Even their common sense flies right out the window. Then you come here and whine[sm=boohoo.gif]. This is not a problem with the dog, it is a problem with you not understanding what you are or are not doing that is causing the problems. The reason an unneutered male and even some neutered males love to walk around the neighborhood and smell and do a little squirt here and a little squirt there is because they like to leave their urine smell to cover up another males and/or to let the other males in the neighborhood know of his existance. It's not to irritate you[8\|], it's a normal instint, you seem to be taking things a bit too personally. Taking walks is the joy of every dog and you have taken that away from him and because of your laziness, he is thrown out on a patio, which to him probably seems to be part of the house and he has been trained to go out of doors. And then you have the audacity to blame the dog!!![:@] If I were your Master you definately would spend a long time on that patio and not be allowed to relieve yourself, then maybe you would get a clue! A stressed and depressed dog because of your actions, will not like you and I don't blame him. He had a very happy life until you came along. If you are the slave you claim to be, you would take special care of your Master's obviously beloved dog and not be a selfish beotch, not doing what is expected of you and then blame the dog for being uncoopereative[>:]! Myself being the animal protector I am, I would give you the boot immediately, no-one, would disrepect my love for my animals, especially because of their own selfishness and being lazy. I would suggest you start to do the things that will allow this dog to trust and like you or I can see this relationship falling apart very quickly. The faster the better as far as my thinking goes but then I will always be on the side of the animal. Getting you out of his life is just what he needs and as long as your a jerk I hope you stay the underdog in that household. Sorry, but when people talk about animals as "things" and especially irratating, worthless, stupid things, it makes me want to scream! Add to that feelings of jealousy is even more disturbing. What would happen I wonder if he had UMs that he occasionally shared his time and space with? I say grow the hell up, you are there to make your Master life easier and smoother running and you seem to be wanting to control the situation and drive a wedge between you the dog and your Master. Didn't you know this dog and his routine before you moved in? Yep, the boot, and I would give you a strong kick square in the ass right out the door and would hope the dog would have a chance to take a chunk out of your ass on the way out! I proclaim to be one here that is pulling for the dog to win the ultimate challenge![sm=boxer.gif] I better stop now before I get the dreaded big red Moderator11 show up on my mail list, even though I would just love to give you more shit about this situation[sm=moon.gif]. Missy.

Aswad -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 2:42:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig My advice? get rid of the dog, but then again I have little patience with dogs who crap indoors Mine would be to get rid of the Master, but then again I have little patience with people who take on a responsibility they neither understand nor have the means to handle responsibly.

Aswad -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 2:49:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Just remember that your dom dude has decided that the dog is the dominant one of the house, so make sure to call it sir and take care of it before your dom. My point exactly. Glad to see there's others in here who understand this bit. If you can't assert dominance over a dog, you can't assert dominance over anything. So, either the dominant party is the dog, or incompetent.

Aswad -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 3:04:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule So there is not a dog problem, but a slave problem. So far, I agree. quote: Your master knows how to fix that. Here's where I'm not so sure. Either that, or the Master wants her under the dog (no mental imagery intended), and just hasn't communicated this to her.

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 3:14:35 PM)
you cant teach an old dog new tricks......let the old pug keep his routine...sheesh

Rule -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 3:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Your master knows how to fix that. Here's where I'm not so sure. The fix is simple: command the lazy slavegirl to walk the dog. What is odd is that the slavegirl and perhaps her master also, do not perceive the cause of the problem.

nyrisa -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 3:24:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: Your master knows how to fix that. Here's where I'm not so sure. Either that, or the Master wants her under the dog (no mental imagery intended), and just hasn't communicated this to her. I get the strong impression she already knows where she stands in her Master's affections in reference to the dog. If Master and dog have a 7 year relationship, obviously he is important to the Master. Sounds like the slave has jealousy issues. I wonder if the Master knows she is not taking the dog for his walks. Possibly if the dog can be made to be seen as a big enough problem, Master might be open to getting rid of him, and leave the slave as top dog in the house.

Rule -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 4:37:46 PM)
It is not correct for an animal to have a higher status than a human. Dog psychology, I have been told, requires that when a child in the household is punished, the dog is punished simultaneously - even though the dog be innocent. A stern word or a command to retreat to his place is sufficient punishment. Thus in a D/s relationship punishment of the sub or slave requires that the dog be punished also. D/s play may even confuse the dog as concerns his own status. The above is here beside the point, though. The problem roots in the lazy slave. Or is she an egocentric sub, perhaps?

nyrisa -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 4:46:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Dog psychology, I have been told, requires that when a child in the household is punished, the dog is punished simultaneously - even though the dog be innocent. Good grief. Being the dog in a family that has 6 hyperactive boys must be the definition of hell, then. He'd beg to be taken to the pound. grins

CuriousLord -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 5:05:24 PM)
Guys- the dog isn't a sub. It's not something for him to dominate. It's another living being. And, yes, you can beat a dog into submission. You can kick it into a bloody, mangled heep whenever it acts up, and it'll stay inside the house, lay there all day, and never do anything to bother you. It won't even whine. It'll just lay there until the day it dies. Is this really what you people want pets for?

Rule -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 5:26:54 PM)
Whom are you replying to? It cannot be SSS, as he or she is on the side of the dog.

CuriousLord -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 5:32:48 PM)
In general, to those who apparently see this as an issue as a Master not being dominant enough. Like the dog's some kind of consentual submissive who enjoys being beatten into lethargia. It wasn't to SSS. Just used "Fast reply", and his was the last that was up at the time, so it used him for the respond-to target. Edit: Actually, I'm not too sure why it used SSS as the target.. unless there's a deleted reply? It was a "Fast reply".. maybe the window was open for a long time. Edit 2: Nevermind, figured it out. I used "Fast reply" back on Page 1, where SSS was the last replier.

nyrisa -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 6:42:34 PM)
I don't think anyone has really suggested beating the dog, or turning the dog into a submissive. Although I have seen quite a few threads about turning submissives into dogs.

Aswad -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 6:43:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne you cant teach an old dog new tricks......let the old pug keep his routine...sheesh I can and have taught old dogs new tricks, as well as old humans. But turning everything upside down is not the way to do it. Neither is getting into a pissing contest with the dog. The third strike is not exercising it enough.

Aswad -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 6:50:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule What is odd is that the slavegirl and perhaps her master also, do not perceive the cause of the problem. Hence me not being sure her master knows how to fix it. If he can't handle a dog, or even communicate with it, I do not put much stock in his ability to engage in mutually beneficial power dynamics. Simple as that. Dogs communicate clearly, have simple needs, and want clear power dynamics. If the power dynamic is clear, they don't challenge it. Period. Responsibly keeping a dog is a matter of taking responsibility for the health, safety and life quality of another living being, then gaining its trust and affection. This requires instincts or research to do properly, sometimes even training or professional advice. Any errors along the way not related to health issues with the dog (e.g. brain tumors causing spontaneous aggression, epilepsy causing fear, etc.) are a simple matter of operator error. Really, a human is more complicated, but involves the same commitment and there are no requirements involved with keeping a dog that are absent when keeping a human, so I tend to think someone who can't keep a dog in a responsible way, cannot keep a human in such a way either.

Aswad -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 6:54:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nyrisa I get the strong impression she already knows where she stands in her Master's affections in reference to the dog. That would explain the jealousy issues, yes. quote: I wonder if the Master knows she is not taking the dog for his walks. As do I. That's a reliable way to cause problems, and in 7 years he'd have to be a dimwit not to have noticed the causal relationship between failing to walk the dog and not having a happy and cooperative dog. Whether she fails to see this, or is using it intentionally, is a different matter. quote: Possibly if the dog can be made to be seen as a big enough problem, Master might be open to getting rid of him, and leave the slave as top dog in the house. Well, it's a dog eat dog world, they say. Personally, I'd lose the ... female, and not the pug. (In the scenario mentioned, with the conditions mentioned.)

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