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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/29/2005 8:44:27 AM

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A slave and their Owner are held up at gunpoint. The Owner verbally instructs the slave 'Do Not Move'. The slave seees that the assailant is about to fire and throws herself in front of the Owner, taking the bullet and saving the Owners life.

By not obeying the Do Not Move command did the slave fail to trust the Owner?

When I think about this I am so torn. I would appreciate any insights or thoughts.

Don't want to think about any larger implications here; but it seems to me that the slave got her punishment for disobedience........................

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/29/2005 11:27:05 AM

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For me it would be the act of love. Comes back to the old age of the man protecting the female but thats me.

How interesting Imtempting... You'll take a bullet for her (because according to you it's a man's job to protect his lady),
but you refuse to pay for a date with a lady

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"but they expect the male to pay for everything.. Hotel rooms, toys, food and whatever. As they say well why should we pay?

How do you reconcile those two stances?? M

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/29/2005 12:55:54 PM

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How do you reconcile those two stances?? M

The dead don't pay either.

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/29/2005 1:50:44 PM

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How do you reconcile those two stances?? M

The dead don't pay either.

Oh damn, never saw that option.

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 4:51:20 AM

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How do you reconcile those two stances?? M

Well its simple. I have some olden day values mixed with modern day values. Would it not be offensive to the Dominant if the sub paid as it says that the Dominant cannot afford to pay for their own way??

If a Dominant cannot manage to have enough money to pay for things then how do you know they can manage to put together a scene?? How do you know they are not a player?

As for jumping infront a bullet well that comes from growing up in a family with old fashioned values

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 7:09:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: imtempting
Well its simple. Would it not be offensive to the Dominant if the sub paid as it says that the Dominant cannot afford to pay for their own way??

If a Dominant cannot manage to have enough money to pay for things then how do you know they can manage to put together a scene?? How do you know they are not a player?

As for jumping infront a bullet well that comes from growing up in a family with old fashioned values

To answer your question, No it would not be offensive to this domina to allow a man to pay for dates if he can afford it; if he cannot afford it, than it would help if he were a fun/creative person to think of inexpensive dates.
How does putting together a scene equate to how much a lady has/makes financially? How does being dominant equate to being wealthier?

I come from an old fashioned household too, and my father would have worked however many hours he had to to support his lady and treat her like she walked on water.
I'm not suggesting all subs should get multiple jobs to support their dominas at all; I'm simply saying he should be open to helping in whatever manner she deems desirable (weather it's work outside or inside the home, or not at all). I think some men are wonderful to have around regardless of weather or not they make money. What will make a man much less desirable in my eyes is telling me what I should be doing as the domina, especially as it relates to who should pay... M

Sorry Kisshou for the thread hijack.

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 7:22:08 AM

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What will make a man much less desirable in my eyes is telling me what I should be doing as the domina, especially as it relates to who should pay... M

Well as ive stated in my other post that you bought into this post. Why should the man(sub) pay?

A Dominant women would be more attractive to me if she paid or help pay her way... So in old fashioned values the man was the Dominant party in which if it is turned around then the Dominant(women) should pay...

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 12:58:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: imtempting
Well as ive stated in my other post that you bought into this post. Why should the man(sub) pay?

A Dominant women would be more attractive to me if she paid or help pay her way... So in old fashioned values the man was the Dominant party in which if it is turned around then the Dominant(women) should pay...

It must be nice to use old fashioned values when they suit you and new world values when they save you money.
The sub should only pay if he can afford it, happens to be a gentleman who is pursuing a lady, and is a generous human being; otherwise he should never pay.

As for her being attractive in your eyes, all I can say is to each his own, and since you know exactly what you want (a dominant woman who can pay yours and her way), it should be easier to assess compatibility in the future as long as you remain this honest.. M

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 1:27:36 PM

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The sub should only pay if he can afford it, happens to be a gentleman who is pursuing a lady, and is a generous human being; otherwise he should never pay.

Well I'm a female sub and I pay. What does that make us? No, I do not pay everytime for everything but we alternate. When it comes to recreation I'm sure more money has come out of my pocket in the long run than out of Doug's.
The way I see it, regardless of who pays it is me contributing to the relationship all the more.

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 1:41:45 PM

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Well I'm a female sub and I pay. What does that make us? No, I do not pay everytime for everything but we alternate. When it comes to recreation I'm sure more money has come out of my pocket in the long run than out of Doug's.
The way I see it, regardless of who pays it is me contributing to the relationship all the more.

I was only talking to this male sub who made what in my view seemed contradictory statements. I also include "to each his own", so that what you do in your relationship is entirely your business, and I wouldn't dare tell you how to carry your relationship.

Nowhere do I state that a male sub who cannot afford to pay should not be dated... My objection is to being told I will be paying because I'm the Dominant... As the dominant, I will determine when I will pay. IF/when I pursue someone and decide to invite him out, than I am fully responsible for what I want/need..
In fact, being a sub who pays is basically agreeing with my premise, that you contribute however you can/Doug needs you to.. M

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The sub should only pay if he can afford it, happens to be a gentleman who is pursuing a lady, and is a generous human being

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 1:50:37 PM

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Nowhere do I state that a male sub who cannot afford to pay should not be dated... My objection is to being told I will be paying because I'm the Dominant... As the dominant, I will determine when I will pay. IF/when I pursue someone and decide to invite him out, than I am fully responsible for what I want/need..
In fact, being a sub who pays is basically agreeing with my premise, that you contribute however you can/Doug needs you to.. M

I knew what you were saying , I was just making the point that females also pay. It isn't just a man trait.

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 1:56:24 PM

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sent you an email note Gloria

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RE: a failure in trust? - 6/30/2005 2:52:57 PM

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sent you an email note Gloria

My e-mail does not work, hasn't since probably the last time I spoke to you.

Don't know why, I just deal with it.

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RE: a failure in trust? - 7/4/2005 11:24:15 PM

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Did the submissive wear a bullet proof vest?

Was Trust the objective or was Obedience?

Personally I would never allow a submissive to do that...I would take the bullet Myself..

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