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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:12:25 PM   
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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:18:44 PM   
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The law says female nipples must be covered. beth plans to cover them, with 'clothing' that exactly resembles what is required to be covered. What do you say? Any others want to be "out front" on this protest march?


It's a bad law, period. I'm willing to stand right next to Beth sans nipple coverings and if necessary, go to jail and take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

I just need to get permission first.

Celeste - who is dead serious and going to speak to Himself regarding the issue

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:21:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, and as an aside.. men get just as aroused as women do by having their nipples tweaked etc.. To call it a sexual organ for one sex and not the other is bullshit.

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:23:29 PM   
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Hey you guys, weren't the nipple colored pasties my idea? 
**thinks to herself..."I better not tell them my idea to use strawberry shaped pasties!!  You know what they say about forbidden fruit.."**

BSB,
We'll expect you down here for the march wearing them and when the patent is filed you'll get joint credit. We'll also name the strawberry shaped (and flavored!??) after you. Stay tuned..

Thanks!! I wouldn't miss it for anything!! 

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PS - Tony Bennett is a nice touch.


Thank you!!  You are the first one who "got" the reference LOL!

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:23:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Celeste - THANKS! Appreciate you joining in and hope 'Himself' will provide permission and join us on the day.

Real One - Although you story is dated 1995 and is addressing Florida 'Gentleman's Clubs' (Don't you love that created label?) I'll keep is as a reference for the legal battle sure to follow the beth's event.

PS - She needed to us a LOT of liquid latex!

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:29:49 PM   
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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:43:32 PM   
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i guess my question was overlooked or ignored...oh, well.

michael,
Sorry - I didn't see a question. In reference to the ERA, it failed to pass, therefore its application is irrelevant. Opponents focused on such distracting tangent issues as the potential elimination of separate bathrooms and the like to make people fear it becoming law. The reality is that equal is equal, and the market dictates need. Besides, who has gender specific bathrooms at home for your guests? Are we so puritanical and prudish that elimination of bodily waste becomes a cause to stop equality?  

Never understood how total equality would or could be seen as a bad concept in any situation. Then again, people would defend to the death bigotry of low expectations programs such as Affirmative Action; which by its very nature it implies a group of people are inferior and require help to be equal. But I digress...

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:46:17 PM   
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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 4:51:20 PM   
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Law makers wanted sexual organs covered up.  Likely part of some old religious idealism of morality.  Women happen to have sexual organs in their chests.  You could satisfy both sides of the situation by making it law for men's chests to be covered up, too.  But is that really want you want?

I think you're looking for women's chests to be able to be bare.  To be honest, I do not think this is a matter of equality- unless you are for men needing to cover their chests- but for other reasons; I will not insult you as to pose that I know your specific reasons.

If you want to change the law- from sexual organs to genitals- this will beg the question, "Why cover anything at all?"  The idea of contradicting the morals dismisses the former moral reasoning.  Why not embrace nudism-tolerant laws?

The bit about the breasts bugs me.  It seems like it's an all-or-nothing deal, but it's so much easier to say to the simple minded, "We're going for equality, man!  Boobs, man!"  And while such stands as a pursausive argument, I find it to be a distastefully deceptive one.

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 5:02:42 PM   
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If you want to change the law- from sexual organs to genitals- this will beg the question, "Why cover anything at all?"  The idea of contradicting the morals dismisses the former moral reasoning.  Why not embrace nudism-tolerant laws?


CL -
The issue is one of hypocrisy more than anything else. By definition that would mean that laws regarding the baring of men's chests would have the same effect. Personally however, any law limiting freedom is a bad law, therefor I'll take the position to strive for equality under the accepted status quo for men.

From the innocent question of an UM comes the irrationality of the situation. "Mommy, why can daddy take his top off at Dodger stadium and tan while watching the game and you can't?" Granted, it sounds silly if you know it comes from beth's 20 year old daughter, but its still germane to the point.

What is "distastefully deceptive" to you about equality? Nowhere is there any mandatory toplessness implied or suggested.

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 5:05:08 PM   
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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 5:05:24 PM   
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Beth doesn`t need to cover up,she`s got a guy to do that for her..... ; )



Heh, that was along the lines of what i was thinking... "What, you're getting tired of holding them? WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU, MAN!?

i actually remember seeing a similar show on gender transition, only it went the opposite way... i don't think she had breast enlargement surgery, but once the SRS was done and she had a vagina, they censored the breasts, even though they were actually the same as before the surgery. No logic whatsoever.

Hope you've got some good sunblock handy

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 5:12:05 PM   
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It's.. not that people hate women..


of course not.  it's just that they have been, historically and currently, easier to exploit and ridiculously negatively self-concious about their bodies, especially their breasts.  folks might be upset about female breasts being FREELY shown because they are a commodity, not some lame puritanical decision attempting to legislate morality.
 
your view is well represented among those who hold stock in any "gentlemen's clubs", pornographic magazines/videos/internet pay-per-view AS WELL AS many conservative bible-thumpers and is as distasteful to this slave as you claim this slave's arguement is.

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 5:13:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The issue is one of hypocrisy more than anything else. By definition that would mean that laws regarding the baring of men's chests would have the same effect. Personally however, any law limiting freedom is a bad law, therefor I'll take the position to strive for equality under the accepted status quo for men.


It's already the accepted status-quo: men and women both can't display sexual organs in public.

I'd ask you to consider:
-A man with a gun in his hand can not point it at someone and pull the trigger.
-A man with a toy gun in his hands can point it at someone and pull the trigger.
In a place which everyone has a gun or toy gun, why is this?  It's not discrimination against the men with real guns- it's that they don't want people killing eachother.

From this analogy, one might say that men have toy guns of chests.  No sexual organs.  They're not off for the same moral reasons.  The law is still, "Don't shoot people", but it has different effects for those with different equipment.

Now, if you want to make it equal, you can say, "No one can point a gun, be it toy or real, at someone and pull the trigger."  This would be like men covering up, too.  But the orginial bit of "Don't shoot anyone" isn't satisfied if you just start letting the people with real guns shooting other people.

Now, you see, from the analogy, shooting someone is showing them a sexual organ.  I don't think that's such a bad thing, so, meh- I think the law's silly in the first place.  But I'm asking you to understand- the law isn't hypocritical, it's sensible, when one accepts the premise of its morals.  If one does not, then unless this one has a different, mitigating set of morals, this one also does not object to genital areas being displayed in public.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

From the innocent question of an UM comes the irrationality of the situation. "Mommy, why can daddy take his top off at Dodger stadium and tan while watching the game and you can't?" Granted, it sounds silly if you know it comes from beth's 20 year old daughter, but its still germane to the point.


Kids ask their parents why they have to use seperate bathrooms, too.  Fact is, people have different kinds of bodies, and the law's not to show off the goods.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

What is "distastefully deceptive" to you about equality?


That it's not equality.  It's making an exception for some female sexual organs just because it's similar to a part of the male body that can be shown.  If this does strike you as inequality, then one might ask for male chests to also be covered, which would satisfy both ends of the equation.

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 5:17:02 PM   
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your view is well represented among those who hold stock in any "gentlemen's clubs", pornographic magazines/videos/internet pay-per-view AS WELL AS many conservative bible-thumpers and is as distasteful to this slave as you claim this slave's arguement is.


Don't start assuming "[my] view".  It's rather insulting of you- which, I would forgive, should it have been accurate.

Problems with your insult:
-I do not see boobs as a commedity.
-I do not belong to any "gentlemen's clubs", nor do I care for porn.
-I am not religious, nor spiritual.
-I'm not against boobs being shown in public.

I would tell you to watch your tongue, but I would suppose you do not care about the vulgar nature of your comment?
 
 
Edit:  You may not understand this, but attributing a false view to someone is a high insult.  You've misrepresented me, and this misrepresentation seems blantant.  Such insults are grounds for dismissal from formal debates.  If this is going to degrade into some boob-driven rant, inform me now, as I want no part of it.

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 6:06:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Women happen to have sexual organs in their chests. 


Can you the site the source from which you make this statement? I own several dictionary's and did an online search and every source stated that breasts were milk-producing organs, not sexual organs and that men's breasts were, typically rudimentary. That doesn't mean that breasts can't be sexual or used for sexual practices.. but then, so can hands, feet, earlobs etc. Being used for something other than nature intended.. (which was the feeding of our young) doesn't mean they are sexual organs anymore than your elbow is a sexual organ just because you may get off by rubbing it.

Celeste

PS: Merc and Beth.. Himself didn't say "no" but he wants more information before making a decision. So, as things go along, please keep us informed.


edited for typo

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 6:09:27 PM   
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Problems with your insult:
-I do not see boobs as a commedity.
-I do not belong to any "gentlemen's clubs", nor do I care for porn.
-I am not religious, nor spiritual.
-I'm not against boobs being shown in public.

I would tell you to watch your tongue, but I would suppose you do not care about the vulgar nature of your comment?


Wow, CL, beth's comments must have hit close to home to generate such a reaction. First - this is a "boob-driven" rant or at least a nipple driven one. Secondly, although I quite enjoy using boobs as sex organs they aren't sex organs in the strict interpretation of the term. They are sexual characteristic, secondary at that. The female version happens to have more fat usually than the male, but other than that - there is no difference. Can you explain your position as to why they are sex organs on females and not on males? The appearance difference is hormone generated - not physiology, the anatomy is the same.

Since people aren't born with guns in their hands or on their chests - I can't accept the analogy.
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the law's not to show off the goods.
"Goods" is another word for commodity. That makes beth's reference appropriate to the comparison of clubs and people and institutions such as Playboy who would agree. Another theory of beth's is that woman are not allowed to go topless because it would kill industries such as the clubs and other skin magazines.

Reading all of your posts on the subject, I'm not sure what your objection is. Perhaps you can be clearer. Try not to take the opposing view as attacks. They aren't. Nor, similar to bare breasts on men or woman, are they vulgar.

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 6:21:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Beth doesn`t need to cover up,she`s got a guy to do that for her..... ; )



Heh, that was along the lines of what i was thinking... "What, you're getting tired of holding them? WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU, MAN!?

i actually remember seeing a similar show on gender transition, only it went the opposite way... i don't think she had breast enlargement surgery, but once the SRS was done and she had a vagina, they censored the breasts, even though they were actually the same as before the surgery. No logic whatsoever.

Hope you've got some good sunblock handy



What?!? What are you thinking, man?

That`s completely logical! sheeeshhhhh!

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 6:26:47 PM   
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It's already the accepted status-quo: men and women both can't display sexual organs in public.

This statement shows how little you have traveled the world. 
You appear to be a bigger boob then the ones women have to cover.
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I'd ask you to consider:
-A man with a gun in his hand can not point it at someone and pull the trigger.
-A man with a toy gun in his hands can point it at someone and pull the trigger.


I DARE you to point a toy gun at a police officer in broad daylight, let alone after dark.  You'd have lead poisoning so quickly you wouldn't have time to scream "It's a TOY!"
 
Puritan ethics in the US are still alive and well.  

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RE: Nipple Bigotry - 7/24/2007 6:35:20 PM   
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In Ontario, Canada, women are allowed to go topless.

http://www.realwomenca.com/newsletter/1998_Mar_April/article_10.html



As a resident of Ontario Canada, I can atest that this law has been in effect for close to 10 years. The important thing is that even though it is legal for women to walk in public topless, very few do so. I have yet to hear of any woman being assaulted because of this. Granted the usual response from males is to make lewd comments and/or crude suggestions, but hopefully in time this will change as more women become more comfortable being topless in public.

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