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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/24/2007 7:13:44 PM   
MasterGremlin


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ORIGINAL: PeggyO

Hello,

Not all men are happy being in charge.  Not all women are happy being controlled.  To say that one gender should automatically obey the other in a personal relationship isn't always realistic.  Not all men are qualified to lead.  Leadership should fall to the person most qualified and who makes the best decisions for both parties.

As for protection.....protection against what?  Is the man of the house going to keep me safe from drunk drivers?  IRS audits?  Traffic tickets?  Cancer?  Nope - didn't think so.  The whole protection thing is very romantic - and totally unrealistic.

As for a "women's place" - because women, like men, are individuals, their "place" is where they feel most comfortable in society.  It's not up to someone else to arbitrarily dictate that to them because of their gender.

That's how I see it anyway,

Peggy O


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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/24/2007 10:04:43 PM   
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I'm an old school dom who at the ripe old age of 48 is ready to retire from the scene or at least leave the USA. There's lots of old school subs overseas!  

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/24/2007 10:40:16 PM   
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It works for those women/men who wish to live that way. Personally being a Dominant female I am the Head of Household and for me thats the way it should be. I know how to handle money, make investments and sound decisions, I was married to a man who could do none of those things.

The world is a much better place when people do what is right for them as individuals and not shoved into cookie cutter molds that society claims is correct.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/24/2007 11:35:31 PM   
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How many people here are old fashioned and believe a wife should obey her husband, and he should provide for and protect her? Who here feels that a woman should know her place?


i do.

however, i'm married to a man who all too often turns everything over to me and tells me to handle it.  he brings in the income, its true, but there's more to this than just income.

therefore i have Sir.

kitten, who isnt always content.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 12:32:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LeggsMan

How many people here are old fashioned and believe a wife should obey her husband, and he should provide for and protect her? Who here feels that a woman should know her place?


I perfer to lead my relationship like that. Tho I do not believe it is for everyone.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 5:27:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LeggsMan

No way I could prove anything of course without really knowing me, meeting my friends, seeing my family, talking to exes...

C.



lol... that's plural??? As in more than one?? It appears there's something going on with that whole "know your place" thing that perhaps you're overlooking...

just an idea you might consider.

juliet

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 5:48:33 AM   
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As far as what I believe.:

That it's all well and good for a woman to obey her husband, for a man to provide for and protect her and all that.

HOWEVER!

I also believe a wife has a duty to that marriage as well that goes well beyond keeping the floors mopped and the sinks cleaned. I believe she has a duty to her husband to be educated and employable. I believe she has a duty to her children be ready in whatever capacity to do more than earn a minimum wage should the need ever arise, either due to the sudden unemployment or death of her husband and their father. I believe that complacency is never an option when it comes to marriage but that both people are responsible for the functioning of that family unit, and even if that means that "traditional" ideas have to fly out the window, then so be it. There's more at stake than just one person's desire to be the sole wage earner and protector of hearth and home.

Frankly, if I need a protector for the home, just HOW is he going to do that if he's away at work? It makes no sense to me. Besides, if I need a protector, either I'm getting a dog or we're moving out of a bad neighborhood.

I believe a woman owes it to herself and to her husband to be more than a housewife - and  by that I mean regardless if she is the CEO of a company or is busy all day raising children and taking care of the house, she should have options. More importantly, she needs to be ready to exercise those options should the need arise. In my view, no woman, no matter how obedient, does her husband any favors by being the additional dependant and if for no other reason, her level of education and employability provides her husband with options he might not otherwise have. That could mean the ability to choose to change jobs, get into another field, open his own business or simply go back to school for his own edification and increased earning opportunity.

I've been the housewife and mom and I've been the working person outside the home in a two income family, and at least in my experience, no matter how you cut it, there is only so much housework that goes into every day. The rest of the day, at least for me, was spent largely waiting for him to come home and pursuing my hobbies. Kids were part of the process, but by no means were they the be all end all of my day - and my day included therapy for my daughter, soccer for my son, CCD, and numerous other endeavors - and I STILL was never filling up all the hours.

Compared to those who were out there working 8-10 hours a day and then coming home to do all the chores, fix dinner, take care of kids, etc...I had a pretty easy life. For me, there was simply no compare.

I know that there are many for whom this fulfills them - and in all honesty, it did me as well, but when I watched my husband struggle and worry over the bills and all that, it was more than apparant that I had it pretty darn good and that he was getting the short end of the stick.

Being a mother is singularly THE best job I've ever had, but working at something more than that contributed to the household and allowed my husband to have some breathing room in which he was able to pursue some of HIS hobbies and the activities he enjoyed.

In my world, even if he didn't like that I went back to work, that work provided HIM with much more than he'd have had if I stayed at home - so I refused to be obedient in this matter. The choices I made were more important than obedience to him.

juliet

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 5:55:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LeggsMan

How many people here are old fashioned and believe a wife should obey her husband, and he should provide for and protect her? Who here feels that a woman should know her place?

that was good for my grandparents (and somewhat for my parents) however the way the economy is going these days, the hubby better have a 6-figure salary in order to keep the woman home to provide and protect her.  i wouldn't mind staying home yet i prefer working outside of the house and having adult conversations with friends ...my UMs' welfare is no way effected by me working 2-3 nights a week.

men should know their place as well.  my place will be beside, behind (with a strapon) on top of and all over him - that's how my relationship with my guy will be



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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 5:55:56 AM   
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I agree that a submissive man can do all the things the OP wants to do for a woman ... its a matter of perspective ..and desire of those involved

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 6:47:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LeggsMan

How many people here are old fashioned and believe a wife should obey her husband, and he should provide for and protect her? Who here feels that a woman should know her place?


I don't - I rather like having my multiple degrees and career.

C~


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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 7:53:27 AM   
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I know my place. It is not as a "50s housewife". It is as the Master of a household...and/or as an equal partner to my mate/love.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 7:56:59 AM   
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This isn't a dynamic I really want with a male sub in a role reversal or with another woman, and certainly not with me as the wife.


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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 7:58:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SexyRed

I always feel my place should be lying on my back, arms restrained over my head with someone between my legs, starting to.....

that was what you meant, right?


Took the words right out of my mouth!

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 10:08:00 AM   
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Obey her husband?? I think there is a reason that was taken out of the marrige vows.  If her husband is her Master well that is a different story.

Why do you think a woman has a place?  Her place is wherever she makes it.

Matt's littleone

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 10:33:53 AM   
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sorry but that sounds like a Dear Ann Landers question to her ear....
and after all....thought this was ask a sub/slave section...
huh...guess what your replies would be from such people of this nature?

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 10:52:16 AM   
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I would say that I am tooo ol' fashion,I do like the old fashion look some what..IE the long dresses the sect wears in BIG love....I would like to see more women looking sexy in an ol' fashion way..bounty

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 12:26:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: roland23

I'm an old school dom who at the ripe old age of 48 is ready to retire from the scene or at least leave the USA. There's lots of old school subs overseas!  



Are they really "old school subs" who have chosen such a lifestyle? Or are they women who have been raised with no educational or vocational options, in a culture which firmly keeps women second class citizens with fewer rights and opportunities than men? Yes, unfortunately, there are many, many places in the world where a man can go to find vulnerable women. I notice that you said "at least leave the USA". Perhaps you have seen the statistics of the number of women from these "old school" cultures who have come to the US, seen what options are available, and have chosen a far different life.......when the choice was possible. Probably in the majority of cases, the only way to maintain her in that subservient role is to keep her surrounded by that culture, without the options that women in the US have. And does that really count as consensual for her? Or just settling for what is available.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 12:38:06 PM   
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My place is right at my Master/husbands side.  It is only this way though because I choose for it to be.  I still use my brain, I still have an education, it's just that I am fulfilled being at home and taking care of things here.
 
Our place is where we make it, simple as that.  If it makes you happy, go with it.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 12:54:35 PM   
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Are they really "old school subs" who have chosen such a lifestyle? Or are they women who have been raised with no educational or vocational options, in a culture which firmly keeps women second class citizens with fewer rights and opportunities than men? Yes, unfortunately, there are many, many places in the world where a man can go to find vulnerable women. I notice that you said "at least leave the USA". Perhaps you have seen the statistics of the number of women from these "old school" cultures who have come to the US, seen what options are available, and have chosen a far different life.......when the choice was possible. Probably in the majority of cases, the only way to maintain her in that subservient role is to keep her surrounded by that culture, without the options that women in the US have. And does that really count as consensual for her? Or just settling for what is available.

Got to say - Valyraen and I agree with this point of view. To him, my submission really wouldn't mean much if I didn't have the choice.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 1:12:29 PM   
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I think every woman knows her place, I think it's just what the perception of her place is that varies. 

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