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boynicholas -> RE: Piss Play (6/29/2005 10:41:10 PM)
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OK, well the issue of whether urine is sterile is a bit of a moot point. You'd probably get more coliform bacteria from eating the mushrooms served at your average salad bar than you would ingesting a cup of urine from a woman with a generic UTI (unless she was peeing frank pus and if you are crazy enough to drink piss that looks like snot... well that's natural selection.)
The question is really, can you catch something you don't want by drinking piss.
Can likely catch:
Herpes (if the pisser is shedding virus – not always the case with HSV, but you cannot count on the presence of ulcers to indicate whether someone is infectious.)
Gonorrhea (you can get gonococcal pharyngitis – imagine strep throat but with gonorrhea. Very treatable though if your doc knows what to look for – which means you have to fess up. I always ask people who have pharyngitis whether they perform oral sex on others, but 95% of providers won't unless you volunteer that info.)
Might be able to catch:
Hep B or C (mostly if the urine comes in contact with non-intact skin or mucous membranes... on that same note, if you are worried, get your Hep B series.)
CMV (virus – not really an issue for healthy people. Causes problems with AIDS patients and transplant recipients.)
Chlamydia
Syphilis
Not to worry:
HIV – never been documented and knowing what we do about transmission of the virus about as likely as George W Bush supporting an amendment legalizing same sex marriage.
The biggest risk overall though is if the piss comes in contact with non-intact skin (whether in your mouth or anywhere else it falls.) So I would avoid drinking piss if you have any lesions in your mouth, and whatever you do, don't brush before or directly after you drink piss – you are more likely to open small cuts in the mucous membrane. Also, if it burns when the piss touches (mouth or skin) your can assume your skin is not intact.
The next issue is 'if its not infectious is it safe.' The answer to this is it depends on the physical health of the pissee. That is, if you have salt sensitive hypertension, kidney insufficiency, any kind of significant immune compromise (mostly for the infectious stuff), any kind of fluid retention issues (like congestive heart failure) its probably not the best of ideas. However, if you are young, healthy, and not significantly dehydrated, you will readily recycle the electrolytes and wastes through your own kidneys.
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If you want to get into steady piss play, drink ALOT of water ... to the point where it seems inhumanly impossible to be drinking the amount of water you are drinking.
Do not do that! Too much water is just as bad as not enough. You can readily give yourself water intoxication, drop your sodium to the low 120s and do what is sometimes referred by health care providers in the ER as ATD: actively trying to die.
This has actually been in the news recently... I recall an article in the NYTimes about endurance athletes popping themselves off because they drink too much water without adequate replacement of electrolytes. You know that you are adequately hydrated when you are not thirsty. But then you have to actually pay attention to what your body is saying (which we don't as much in our culture.) Most westerners are a little dry at baseline, so drinking a little extra water is a good idea. However, don't drink past what your body tells you to.
Now, as far as the pissee is concerned, it would probably not be a bad idea to drink about an equal amount of plain water that you ingest of urine – especially if it is more concentrated. This will basically give you the free water necessary to 'recycle' the waste. ;)
Lastly, as far as the survival question is concerned: drink the first time you piss, but not after. When you are dehydrated, your kidneys dramatically increase the concentration of the salts in the urine. That way all the extra salt and waste can be eliminated in a small volume of water, preserving what you have. So if you get dropped in the middle of the Sahara, your first urine won't be as concentrated and drinking it will help you. However, once your body starts making your urine more concentrated than the concentration of your serum, you are causing more harm than good by drinking your own piss as you are getting more solutes back than water and you will just have to re-excrete those solutes losing even more water with them.
Or as a really smart nephrologist once told me: “Oliguria in the face of dehydration isn't renal failure, its renal success!” (Oliguria is severely decreased urine output.)
Nick
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