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Submissive learning to top? - 7/27/2007 6:39:47 PM   
Drifa


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I have a friend I wish to please who wants to be topped.  But without any rough play... my friend has no desire to be spanked or hurt in any way.  While I like D/s games (a lot) I've always been in the submissive role.  Usually with reward/punishment, rough play, stress positions, personal service, etc. And spankings! (Can't have too much of that, so far as I am concerned...)

I'm trying very hard to put myself in the mindset for this, but... not easy.  I am thinking about this as a service to a lover... even though I will be running the scene, I'm doing it because I have been told to. Thinking about it this way actually gets my motor running a bit.

So, here I am about to try to fulfill this fantasy. But I haven't a clue of how to make the experience intense and fun for my partner. If rough play were included, I think I could figure it out, but 'm not coming up with lots of useful ideas in the scenario I've outlined. I'm thinking about some light bondage, and asking for service... I love to have my hair brushed. But I want to really make the event intense and satisfying for my sweetie.

Can anyone offer suggestions or advice for how to make this special?
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RE: Submissive learning to top? - 7/27/2007 6:52:09 PM   
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Thinking about topping as a service is a good idea if you're submissively motivated--well done!

But it's a little peculiar that your friend doesn't want any pain...most people who want service topping, in my experience, like pain. Do you know what he or she does want?

Bondage, as you pointed out, could be fun. Maybe you don't need to go very light--perhaps restrictive, yet not stressful or physically difficult bondage, would be good. Sensory deprivation and sensation play might be nice. Feeding people is always fun, and might feel more like service to you. Contrasting sensations, like soft and rough and hot and cold, might do nicely (and you probably don't need to buy anything for this--you probably have a silk top or scarf or tie somewhere, or a cashmere or furry thing, and maybe a hairbrush or sandpaper for the roughness, and so on from there. Would a bit of "forced orgasm" or "tease and denial" play work for you both?

And, too, if you're trying to get yourself in a dominant headspace, would thinking indulgently work? Sometimes, you probably enjoy doing what you want, or treating yourself in some fashion, even if that's not how you're sexually motivated, yes? You could channel those feelings for this scene.

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RE: Submissive learning to top? - 7/27/2007 7:30:16 PM   
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<snippage> But it's a little peculiar that your friend doesn't want any pain...most people who want service topping, in my experience, like pain. Do you know what he or she does want?


This is new ground for us... she has been topping me, with orgasm control, service, long teases, silk scarf bondage and spanking.  It's funny how shy she gets when she has to tell me about her desires (funny in an endearing way).  But she was definite that she didn't want any pain.

The suggestions you offered give me some ideas to work with. This is just not something I'd ever given much thought to before.  But she's a special lady, and I want to please her however I can.  I hope I can make the event as mind-blowingly intense and orgasmic as she's done for me!

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RE: Submissive learning to top? - 7/27/2007 8:41:11 PM   
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The easiest way to 'top' without pain is of course to turn it into an emotional and mental situation - wherein you basically manipulate and guilt etc.

This is of course after PairOfDimes thoughts of bondage ...  Sometimes giving up control can be a great relief to a sub/slave and it might be that is what your friend is looking for.

Then again your friend could be looking for the stern/demanding partner who will 'punish' them not with pain but by saying things like 'I am disappointed in you,' or 'You hurt my feelings,' or something else similar.

A lot of people associate sex games with dirty thoughts and feelings, so maybe she is looking to feel dirty while you are being intimate - humiliation, et. al., althought quite frankly its impossible to really know what it is she's trying to 'enjoy' if she can't really communicate it with you.

Well, best of luck to you both in either case.

^_^

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RE: Submissive learning to top? - 7/28/2007 10:35:28 AM   
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 This is obviously something you are willing to put a lot of time and thought into, so my suggestion would be to plan it out as much as you can.  If you want to seem like you are in control, then plan what you are going to do, some of the things you are going to say, and have ideas of things you can do.  Play it out in your mind, let your mind create all the fantasies it wants, then pluck ideas from them for things to do.  If you have time to read a book, I'd say "The Loving Dominant" by John Warren might shed some light on some of the difficulties you might be facing.

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RE: Submissive learning to top? - 7/29/2007 7:26:24 AM   
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Try viewing dominance and submission as mental states rather than physical acts. With the proper mindset, the physical aspects become unimportant.

Example: You state you are thinking of "asking" for service. I suggest you adopt the opposing mindset - and demand service. This need not be done rudely. This can be done gently and with kindness.

I also suggest that your friend has given you an enormous clue by saying she has no desire to be spanked or hurt in any way. She is fairly shouting she wants to experience the wonderful emotional aspects of submission.

I suggest you domme your friend by requiring her to perform those activities she enjoys performing anyway. She is after all experimenting, and there is no need or benefit in making her experiment unpleasant for her - or for you. To the contrary, both of you desire to make the experience as enjoyable as possible, for both of you.

So by all means have you hair brushed. And a relaxing bath and massage. But don't ask - tell. This can be done nicely.

This is a problem I experience over and over. Rudeness is unnecessary toward someone who desires to submit.

An example: For people like me, the joy is in the mental surrender. The physical activities that follow pale in comparison.

So perhaps you should give her an OTK spanking. Gently order her over your knee to be spanked.

The fact that she has stated she does not desire this type of dominance adds to the transfer of power.

And the fact that the "spanking" consists of love pats and caresses will not be important, and certainly won't be painful. Most of all, continue until she admits her surrender.

Blindfolds work well, because they add to the feelings of helplessness.

View this as an opportunity to be pampered by a friend. Why, heaven forbid, you could even be treated to a nicely prepared meal, with truly excellent table service. And no dishes to wash, no clean-up to do. Want you car washed? Your nails done? The possibilities are almost endless. The difference: Don't ask. Tell.

And above all, do not violate the sacred bonds of trust. Safe words are essential.  

You have provided a vital clue by saying "I hope I can make the event as mind-blowingly intense and orgasmic as she's done for me!"

Allow her to mentally brace herself to receive a spanking as she lies blindfolded and fully exposed over your knees. And spank her with gentle caresses. Expose her fully. Yet more caresses. Teasing. Alternate softness with playful, non-painful swats. Make her beg for what she clearly wants. And make her wait. Make her beg some more. Make her "work" to attain her desires. 

I do disagree with the idea of arousing feelings of guilt or going into punishment mode, through verbal abasement or otherwise. And I view turning sex, sometimes called loving, into something "dirty" is ultimately self-defeating. Your friend is seeking to surrender, not to be abused.

Hope this gives you some ideas.

Chuck

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RE: Submissive learning to top? - 7/29/2007 10:43:00 AM   
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Chuck, thank you so much for your suggestions. So much of what's hard about this is mindset, and you and others have helped me focus in on what I need to make this a special treat.

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RE: Submissive learning to top? - 7/29/2007 11:46:17 AM   
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Hi Drifa, and thanks for the nice response. I think you are exactly right - the problem is in adopting the mindset. I can do it (kinda sorta) but only with a willing sub.

Examples: I was once asked to be the perp in a pretend rape scene. I wound up stumbling all over myself apologizing because I just could not do that. Physical violence that inflicts true pain, as opposed to things like OTK spankings, and this type of physical violence in particular, is so utterly against my beliefs I simply found it impossible to even pretend.... let alone achieve the necessary physical state. 

I know - inability to perform pretend rape with a willing victim puts me pretty far down the list of desirable doms. My phone hasn't exactly been ringing off its forlorn little hook.

On a more successful note, I did once avail myself of the (invited) opportunity to tie a woman spreadeagle to the bedposts and have my way with her. Again displaying my limitations, I used silk scarves. Which she eagerly provided. Tied loosely, to allow easy escape. But we still had a lot of fun.

On the up side, she did call me a "heartless brute". On the down side, she was laughing her head off at the time.

Anyway, your big worry is that you might physically hurt your friend. But don't view this as a problem - view it as a perfect match. Your friend wishes "without any rough play... no desire to be spanked or hurt in any way."

A partner for her more perfect than you could not be found. You, a person who is utterly incapable of inflicting hurt.

Upon additional reflection, I think what you have here is a domme who is envying you. She wants to experience pleasures you obviously enjoy experiencing. So simply reverse roles. Bluntly, give her some of her own medicine. That should teach her a lesson, yes?

Torment her. When she begs, act like a REAL domme. As in make her beg more, by tormenting her more. She will (finally, at long last) have an orgasm(s) to be remembered and you, a submissive, will learn that domming can be fun!

And remember, domming her will be easy, because she wants to be submissive. She is actually assuming the emotional burden for you. Just like a good sub should do, yes?

This was the point I was trying to make about harshness is not necessary. You need not even "demand" anything. With a willing sub that wants to please, a simple statement that "I would like you to" will suffice. Anything more would be a gratuitous animosity.

Personally, I would first eagerly avail myself of the opportunity to.....

Have a good dinner with excellent table service. Have my hair washed. Have my nails done. Have my car washed. You will quickly discover that domming is fun!

I answered at length because your dilemma is related to something I am puzzling over more and more. The tantalizing possibilities of exercising dominance through kindness and the possibilities that two (at least primarily service-oriented) submissives might well make an ideal couple. Certainly they have the necessary empathy, understanding and trust.

Besides, I am naturally attracted to (female) submissives. Without exception, they are the nicest people I could even hope to meet. And I have a lifelong habit of rooting for underdogs.

I may be getting paranoid. Seems like every time I post, the thread instantaneously drops fatally dead in its tracks. Equipped with only a keyboard, I apparently have the awesome power to render a fatal kiss of terminal death. No fuss, no muss. And it's so very quick and easy. I can perform this vitally needed service from the convenient comfort of my own home.

So if any of our readers ever see a thread they want brutally slain, do please feel free to call on my services. 

Best wishes to both of you.

Chuck

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RE: Submissive learning to top? - 7/29/2007 1:53:50 PM   
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The others covered most of what I would have said, so I would recommend sensory deprivation like a friend of mine went over at:
http://www.lovekimi.com/school/sensorydep.html

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