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mnottertail -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 6:03:56 PM)

I don't see why you just couldn't use a hammer swingline-----you can wipe it off if it gets wet you know.

Ron



LadyHeart -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 6:18:04 PM)

There is a medical version of superglue around that is used to close up small wounds instead of stitches, which is presumably not irritating to skin. But the point is, that it's used to close, and doesn't haven't to be unstuck again. Obviously it will release with time, but if you don't know how long it's going to take, that could be a problem in itself

:))
LH



WayHome -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 6:19:29 PM)

I had a friend superglue his eye shut. He didn't have to go to the ER but it did take about 30 minutes for him to pry and scrape it loose.

Alergy isn't much of an issue as cyanoacrylate isn't particularly alergenic. Contact dematitis is a distinct possibility.

Gorilla glue is nothing like superglue. Gorilla glue is urethane based and water cured. Superglue is solvent based. Superglue has been used quite effectively on open wounds. I've even done it myself, though I don't recommend it as there are better options.

It will burn like hell on mucous membranes but no worse than say, figging.

I think gathering a bunch of leather thongs together int a handle and then using to to vigorously strike another human-being is a really bad idea and could lead to said human calling the cops. ;-)

Leto



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 6:27:55 PM)

Its a bad idea. The ramifications afterwards of irritation, injury and other issues from the chemicals being in contact with the much more sensative skin there is enough to put it off. Aside from the potential dermititis, the posibilty of other chemical imbalance aftereffects from having that area sealed for any length of time without air that would lead to excessive moisture being held against the skin is something completely different. For a few hours of exciting playtime, the aftereffects outweigh the enjoyment.
My opinion, of course

DV



ocilla -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 6:35:56 PM)

The bodies natural juices may break the bond but the risk of skin infection has got to be pretty high still.  I mean bits and pieces of glue are going to remain stuck and tear and scratch and as they loosen unevenly make a great opportunity for lots of small surface infections. 

I know it would be worse for some than others too.... some folks have much more sensitive skin and mucous membranes than others.  And speaking of mucous membranes - if it has an MSDS sheet then it has VOC's that are not good for people - imaging putting super glue up your nostril and squeezing it shut.  I guarantee you are going to feel kind of sick - they call it glue sniffing for a reason.  Now I have had glue made for skin specifically used on me to close up an incision after a surgery - but that was to close up a wound not glue together parts that are not meant to be sealed.  Which speaks to antoher potential complication - our parts need to breath.  The nurse practitioner at planned parenthood said to me some years ago that most female problems can be prevented if we wear underwear as little as possible so that our parts get more air.



burningdesires47 -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 6:37:44 PM)

Super glue was originally invented to keep eyelids open during eye surgery, and closed afterward for healing. Eyes take a while to heal, so they need to be kept shut for a while.

Now, think about how much moisture per square mm is in the eye... and how much moisture per square inch is in a woman's genitals... don't forget to factor in urine and bathing.

Liquid skin and liquid stitches, OTC and that which is used in hospitals ARE THE EXACT SAME THING as super glue.

As far as actually using it on my genitals, never actually done it. If I'm prepared to wait for nature to take its course and soak in the bathtub for a bit to remove it, then I'd do it (and I'm pretty picky about what will get done to me, as far as possible harm goes). I know when I get a paper cut, I put super glue on it and usually one or two normal hand washings rubs it right off. I've used it on cuts near my mouth and nose, and on a split lip, due to the inability to bandage it, and never had any problems--it took a day or so for it to rub off, the split lip only took a few hours.

It may change the pH of the area thereby causing infections. If the Dom or sub is too impatient and then tries to use abrasive methods to remove the glue, the subsequent tissue damage would make the risk of infection quite severe. You also run the risk of gluing hair rather than skin, if the sub is not clean-shaven immediately prior to glue application. That in itself would probably hurt worse than anything else.

All in all, the worst that happens is that it's wildly ineffective for whatever your plan with it is. It's be terribly difficult to dry the area effectively enough for the glue to stick, especially if the sub finds it erotic. And dare I say it, beware of gluing your own hand down there...



BabyNyla -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 7:03:36 PM)

what happens if you have to pee?  I wonder ...



burningdesires47 -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 7:29:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BabyNyla

what happens if you have to pee? I wonder ...



heh I did say, "let nature take its course"

I seriously doubt anyone would be able to completely seal the outer lips of a woman's genitals to the point where NO liquid would come out. Tho it's possible if it's TOO sealed, the urine would build up and cause vaginal infection...



goodgirl85 -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 7:33:50 PM)

The first thing that comes to mind is infections. Maybe because I am prone to yeast infections... (used to get them once a month before going on the shot) and get them everytime I am on antibotics. I even get them when I use condoms (its true I swear). So no way in hell would I ever let something like SUPERGLUE be put anywhere near my wonderfully sensitive happy place.


girl



Aswad -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 7:49:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hazenut

Has anyone ever used super glue on their female sub/slave to "close them up"....and by that I don't mean their mouth. I know it sounds like a bad idea and that's why I'm asking.


I have had super glue applied to my forehead (don't ask). Let me say, quite emphatically:

This is a bad idea. Do not do it.

I don't say this lightly. The glues that could do this in a way that is meaningful will do it in a way that is harmful. At least the ones you can get hold of; i.e. if you have to ask, it is a bad idea. Most of the commonly available ones that will do the job properly will require surgery to undo.

Sew it shut instead, with a sterile needle, surgical thread, sterile pincers and surgical gloves. You can get this at the pharmacy. The stitches can be cut open later with little difficulty. Someone else here can provide the details on how to do that, or you can search for "corset piercing vagina" or somesuch.



MagiksSlave -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 8:31:28 PM)

OK, putting supper glue anyplace is a bad idea, yes it is true that the natrual lubrication we have down there will make it easier for the glue to come undone it is still a skin irritent and isnt ment to be on skin at all (aspecially such sensative skin) They put wornings on the bottles for a reason. And Gorillla glue, it isnt activated by water it is water proof thus the reason it cant be washed off. Trust me I just used some to Make Master a flogger set for his birthday. I got it on my hands and well there is a worning on the bottle not to contact skin because there is absalutly NO way to wash the stuff off, the only way to get the stuff off is to wait for your skin to naturaly sluff off, it takes a few days ( I soaked in a bath for about 3 hours to soften the dead skin to make it come off faster)

Though no matter what we say here he is going to do what he pleases anyway, I often wonder why people come here at all other then to get people to say "Yeah thats a great idea" so that when the entire thing goes bad (because the idea was in fact a very bad one) they dont have to take responsability because "the people on Collarme.com said it was a good idea" But inevatbly the people here see it for what it is, a terrable idea, the op sulks off all angry and does what ever they please any how.

ms



Rafters -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 8:32:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WayHome
It will burn like hell on mucous membranes but no worse than say, figging.



If you want a ginger root to stay inside a vagina while the subbies upright and walking. Three ways that work in practise are either lubed shibari ropes which lets fluids escape. A rubber crotch strap which needs to be tugged on to let fluids escape, or the sadists tool of choice, duct tape, which needs holes added when you want fluids to escape and gives a partial brazillian style waxing, with every removal.

I've yet to be convinced to try Superglue.



Aswad -> RE: Super glue (7/28/2007 10:20:15 PM)

The only time I have had any form of superglue (I vaguely recall having been told it's a brand over there, but around here it's a generic term) on my skin was when some ... ahem, anyway ... had heard it was perfectly safe and easy to clean off. Obviously, in my case, that was one of those that work by binding, i.e. they dissolve the tissue and bond with it. I wore bandages for a couple of weeks, with lots of pus to clean up, and had a visible chemical burn for about a year.

Depending on the kind of glue you choose, your mileage may vary.

My experience is not something I would encourage anyone to repeat with a vagina, however. If it is play, a vaginal corset piercing will be a better option. If it is chastity, I would be tempted to suggest sewing shut, or altering the libido instead, or using conditioning, or even (for the hard core edgeplayers) a professionally performed nullification (yes, that involves a vacation abroad for most of us here). All depending on what one wants to achieve, and a million other factors. Rafters' suggestions are good, too.



MisPandora -> RE: Super glue (7/29/2007 7:06:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hazenut

Alright before I ask my question I want you all to know I did search to see if I could find anything on the topic....there was barely any info.  Has anyone ever used super glue on their female sub/slave to "close them up"....and by that I don't mean their mouth. I know it sounds like a bad idea and that's why I'm asking. I was assured that it's very safe and easy to remove, but I'd really like to know if anyone has done this or had it done to them. Thanks in advance for the info.

OK, here's me pulling from my vault of useless recollection:
A well-known leatherwoman from the east coast community taught a female genitotorture workshop at Dungeon 901 in Ft Lauderdale in....I want to say 2004.  A part of the demonstration/handson was on temporary infibulation with super glue.  The shaven outer labia were glued together with a thin line of standard superglue (cyanoacrylate.)  The rationale was that super glue is broken down by urine and female vaginal secretions, and that it breaks free fairly quickly without the need for a solvent (now that's not on the label!) I myself have never tested the theory, but her bottom reported that they play to that extreme on a regular basis and that the longest the bond stayed was for 2-3 hours.

I'm not saying go out and do it, since clearly, the product isn't labled in such a manner, and trying to explain yourself to the emergency room doc would be pretty amusing as well.  I guess you could test it by gluing a finger to another and peeing on it a few times to see if it would actually unbond you.  I think I'd want to test that before trying it.



MisPandora -> RE: Super glue (7/29/2007 7:13:40 AM)

Just an aside to all those who are panicking about super glue and skin:

It's used by the military as a field suture.
It's used by backpackers for wounds.
I know many folks who use it on paper cuts to seal the wound edges closed (burns for a second, but it really works.)
The FDA approved a CA-based product called Dermabond.  Midwives use it for suture-free perineal tears.
The veterinary product is called Vetbond and it's marketed by 3M.   It's used for dew claws, cuts/lacs on animals that won't still for suturing, and also used by endurance riders and K9 officers in their emergency kits.  The Vetbond product is dyed blue so it's able to be seen on the surface/fur:
http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=15-251&ss=vetbond



MisPandora -> RE: Super glue (7/29/2007 7:19:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

I have had super glue applied to my forehead (don't ask). Let me say, quite emphatically:

This is a bad idea. Do not do it.

I don't say this lightly. The glues that could do this in a way that is meaningful will do it in a way that is harmful. At least the ones you can get hold of; i.e. if you have to ask, it is a bad idea. Most of the commonly available ones that will do the job properly will require surgery to undo.

Sew it shut instead, with a sterile needle, surgical thread, sterile pincers and surgical gloves. You can get this at the pharmacy. The stitches can be cut open later with little difficulty. Someone else here can provide the details on how to do that, or you can search for "corset piercing vagina" or somesuch.


As someone who, for part of my job, takes me into surgical operating rooms and who understands the value of proper aseptic technique for invasive procedures.......it makes me laugh that we're suggesting that super glue is bad (see my post on dermabond) yet doing an INVASIVE advanced medical procedure (piercing/suturing) is the smart way to go.  *shakes head*



desiresluv -> RE: Super glue (7/29/2007 10:35:59 AM)

Would never want super glue on my personal area...it is sensitive enough already!! I think it could be irritating as well as dangerous.  If to the point of wanting to restrict a sub like that...I would pick the suturing as well.  *Yikes*[sm=hair.gif]



Aswad -> RE: Super glue (7/29/2007 10:39:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

As someone who, for part of my job, takes me into surgical operating rooms and who understands the value of proper aseptic technique for invasive procedures.......it makes me laugh that we're suggesting that super glue is bad (see my post on dermabond) yet doing an INVASIVE advanced medical procedure (piercing/suturing) is the smart way to go.  *shakes head*


If you read my later post, you would see that I did not realize that superglue referred to cyanoacrylate.
Around here, we use the term superglue to refer to any kind of very strong glue.

In short, a cultural barrier

Keep in mind that not everyone here is inundated with US brand names, and that the usual convention for proper names (including brand names) in English is to use a capital first letter. When the OP instead uses lowercase throughout, and even splits the brand name into two words, it is not always easy to see that one is referring to a particular brand one was not aware existed, rather than a generic term which appears common to most cultures originating in countries whose languages are from the Germanic family.

Dermabond and Traumaseal would indeed seem like reasonable options.

My comments were based on a bonding glue that has very different properties than cyanoacrylate, and I would say that, given a choice between the glue I had my experience with and a vaginal corset piercing, even one done inexpertly (yes, I did say he should seek out people who know how to do it properly, and that I could not offer any advice in that regard), then I'd pick the latter.

But I would not pick the latter over cyanoacrylate.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.



WayHome -> RE: Super glue (7/29/2007 7:18:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

And Gorillla glue, it isnt activated by water it is water proof thus the reason it cant be washed off.


It can't be washed off because the act of "washing" with water cures it. There is a chemical reaction (as opposed a solvent reaction as in most glues) that creates a new chemical (urethane). As a byproduct of the reaction, gas is peoduced which is why urethane glues all foam. If you don't believe me, get a very dry surface on a dry day and lay a thick bead of Gorilla glue on it. Splash water on only part of the bead and watch it bubble. The rest of the glue will also set but not as fast as it pulls water from the air to bond with. You are right about one thing, it is quite "water proof" as water will not weaken the bond at all.

I used superglue to attach fimo horns to my wife's head a few years back as part of a costume. We had tried spirit gum and some other things first and scrubbed and solvent cleaned the skin so it was already a bit raw and the oil removed. Some other friends who had used superglue several times for their own costumes convinced her it was OK. I applied the glue liberally to both horns and applied them quickly and precisely. At first she pannicked because it began to burn a little. Then it burned a lot. Our friends laughed and said "oh yeah, it does that." and she asked "Will it stop? Will it just keep getting worse?" After a few minutes it stopped. Then she was fine and partied for the next 6-7 hours with horns intact. In fact it worked so well that every once in a while she'd ask me "Are we going to be able to get this off?" I assured her we would. She asked about removing now and I said "No way, the longer you wait the easier it will be." So at about 3 AM when we got back to the house I peeled them off. She said it wasn't quite as bad as a Biore' strip if you know what those are. There was no redness of iritation in the morning, no aftereffects at all.

Since then I've superglued skin a few times. It sticks your hands better than it sticks anywhere else because of the kind of skin. I've also gotten Gorilla glue on me many times (my wife says every time I use it but I think that's a slight exageration). Gorilla glue is a lot worse.

Cyanoacrylate is a lot safer than home sutures. It even has antiseptic properties. It will cause a temporary burning sensation but I suspect that's part of the atraction. I like puting alcohol on subs and lighting it so I wouldn't hold that against someone (pun intended).

Leto



Tristan -> RE: Super glue (8/3/2007 6:30:46 AM)

For years I've been hearing people talk about closing cuts with superglue.  I did a search, and found that a medical grade super glue is being tested as a replacement for stitches. 

http://www.miracleglue.com/wounds.htm

It sounds like a really bad idea to be gluing things shut.  I like Stephann's idea about using chastity piercings instead.

Tristan



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