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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/5/2007 12:58:56 AM   
Honsoku


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I dunno, Level, keeping dogs like that around requires a specific mindset. They truly ARE like leaving a loaded gun around. Hopefully the man who tended the animals understood exactly their temperment, behavior and purpose in life. If he had, though, I wonder why so many were loose at once?

I have read too many stories about guard- and attack-dogs turning on children, neighbors, passers by, owners... Sometimes I wonder that it wouldn't be smart to require a special license to keep such animals.

'Course...I'm probably still smarting at the incident that happened to me recently. I was out walking my dog one evening and came upon an idiot I know walking two of his dogs. Generally his pitt bull is off leash and fights with my dog through the fence whenever he happens by my home. This time, the new pitt bull was on a leash...but a friendly little collie-mix was not. I called to him to keep his dog close, as my dog is not always dog friendly...he ignored me. As it turns out...the little dog was female and nothing bad happened. He kept walking past and when several hundred feet away, the little dog came running back up at my dog. I really did not want problems and this time yelled for the guy to call his damn dog! Instead, he looked right at me and reached down to unclip his other dog. I was in absolute shock! Tell me unleashing a pitt bull in that fashion is not like shooting at somebody. Ugg...it was scary as hell. Thank god the second dog, which did run right up to my dog, was not as vicious as his other pitt. I'm sure he was dissappointed. I managed to get home without a dogfight. Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Not a lawyer, but I would consider this at least reckless endangerment if not an instance of assault (which is the believable threat of harm, as opposed to battery). I suggest considering filing a complaint with your local precinct. This does not mean you have to press charges, just get the incident on record. Nothing will probably come of it the first time, but this will make it easier to get a later charge to stick (whether by you, or by someone else), as repeated reports demonstrate a history of behavior.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/5/2007 3:52:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a quick note... While pit bulls can be just as nasty and vicious as plenty of people seem to think they are... they're not killing machines, hell-bent on destruction, mayhem and death. Many of the pit bulls who attack, maim or kill people are often mistreated by their... I dare not say owner... but by the schmuck who should have been caring for them. And in other cases they're often treated like cocks, made to fight in dog fights. They lack human contact and affection. It's no wonder they turn out the way they do.

On the other hand... a friend of mine has a pit bull. Beautiful, sweet pit bull. You can play rough with her. And she'll never snap or bite. She knows she's at the very bottom of the totem pole, having been raised by three other dogs and two funny two-legged dogs. One loud or harsh word from her humans and she's on her back before you can blink your eyes... often whimpering and pleading for forgiveness, exhibiting signs of submissiveness to placate her "pack mates".

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/5/2007 7:11:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Honsoku...I did report it.  While I didn't press charges it's a good thing for the local police (all three of them; small town)...to know what this idiot is about.  Assault was the word I used, too.
 
Yes, I agree whole heartedly about dogs and how they are raised, MDahlia.  I'm lucky my Akbash Dog was obviously well socialized when young...but I work to keep him that way.  I even ask people on the street if they'd like to pet him.  He's 30" at the shoulder, and as gentle as a lamb (when he's not keeping bears out of the yard), but can be very independent.
 
I do things like, roll him on his back and rub his tummy (whether or not he 'wants' to), just to remind him who's boss...and often keep my hand in the dish while he eats or occasionally walk up and take a bone away from him. 
 
People really do not understand how important it is to properly handle some of these dogs bred for thousands of years to be the dominant and think for themselves.  Not a real good combination in society...in the wrong hands or when treated casually.
 
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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/5/2007 5:36:38 PM   
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Why do people LIKE to keep vicious dogs?


It's a power thing.  If this powerful vicious animal is under their control they feel like they are important and powerful themselves.  Everytime I see someone walking a great dane or similar breed that can outweigh the human holding the leash I wonder what they could do if the dog turned viscious.

These dogs are also a status symbol, in the belief that something unusual adds to the worth of the individual owner.  Just like expensive designer clothing, or particular cars.  No one NEEDS a MacLaren F1, but if you have the cash you can drive it to say "I have so much money that I can spend $1,000,000.00 on a car."

As far as protection of valuables goes the typical (in my experience) owner of a pitbull is not one with a lot of net worth.  A few human guards could do a similar job and will have better bathroom habits.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/5/2007 6:06:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		it is a power issue your right its all about image and status. these dogs where trained and not in a good way

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/5/2007 8:07:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		i feel bad whenever i hear about dog attacks. i own a huge german rottweiler and he's the sweetest baby on four paws. people always look skeptical around us or they'll walk on the other side of the street. yet every single time my dog has been bitten, it has been other dogs threatened by his size that they attack him., he's never bitten any dog or person and he loves other pets. i have pet rats and they walk around the house, he doesn't even blink at them twice. they even sleep on him and he doesn't bat an eyelash.

although, my mother thinks that since he's always kissing or licking the rats.. that he's just tasting them.. lol but he's been raised around rats for the last 4 years and he's never gone after one.

it's just how they're raised. like people to an extent.




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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/5/2007 9:32:04 PM   
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My question is WHY do people keep dogs like this?  I would say it doesn’t make a weenie any bigger or a person taller or badder……….but I’d come off like a bigot. 


I've often wondered that myself. Maybe the reasoning is very similar to that of why working class people continue to drive large, iconic, fuel inefficient vehicles that they really can't afford in the first place.   They envision the dog/vehicle as a utopian extension of themselves.

I have two black labs, and while slightly hyper, when they happen to come upon young children - you can see their whole demeanor /body language change in a way that suggests they are self-aware of a need to approach in a docile, gentle manner. They're always around people....and I never worry about receiving a envelope in the mail with embossed stationary.


A mean dog is both a nuisance and liability.




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RE: Dogs kill man... - 9/18/2007 3:53:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have had problems with aggressive pit bulls in my neighborhood. I had one charge at me a few weeks ago. Luckily it was leashed and the owner got it under control before it reached me.

If pistol permits weren't such a hassle where I live I would have happily cored the dog if it had got within four feet of me. I like dogs but not when they charge at me with malice in their hearts.


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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

'Course...I'm probably still smarting at the incident that happened to me recently.  I was out walking my dog one evening and came upon an idiot I know walking two of his dogs.  Generally his pitt bull is off leash and fights with my dog through the fence whenever he happens by my home.  This time, the new pitt bull was on a leash...but a friendly little collie-mix was not.  I called to him to keep his dog close, as my dog is not always dog friendly...he ignored me.  As it turns out...the little dog was female and nothing bad happened.  He kept walking past and when several hundred feet away, the little dog came running back up at my dog.  I really did not want problems and this time yelled for the guy to call his damn dog!  Instead, he looked right at me and reached down to unclip his other dog.  I was in absolute shock!  Tell me unleashing a pitt bull in that fashion is not like shooting at somebody.  Ugg...it was scary as hell.  Thank god the second dog, which did run right up to my dog, was not as vicious as his other pitt.  I'm sure he was dissappointed.  I managed to get home without a dogfight.  Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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RE: Dogs kill man... - 9/18/2007 4:01:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		My friend had a doberman guide dog and about fourteen ferrets. They used to chase the doberman around the apartment during play time.

I wouldn't recommend pet rats and Jack Russell terriers though.


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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

i feel bad whenever i hear about dog attacks. i own a huge german rottweiler and he's the sweetest baby on four paws. people always look skeptical around us or they'll walk on the other side of the street. yet every single time my dog has been bitten, it has been other dogs threatened by his size that they attack him., he's never bitten any dog or person and he loves other pets. i have pet rats and they walk around the house, he doesn't even blink at them twice. they even sleep on him and he doesn't bat an eyelash.

although, my mother thinks that since he's always kissing or licking the rats.. that he's just tasting them.. lol but he's been raised around rats for the last 4 years and he's never gone after one.

it's just how they're raised. like people to an extent.





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RE: Dogs kill man... - 9/18/2007 4:55:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actors, because of their income and place on the stage, have a self aggrandized view of themselves. Municipal resources and conventional defenses aren't enough to protect them, I am sure the actor even considered the dogs to be at best a stop-gap type of protection.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 9/18/2007 12:52:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee
Anyway, back to my topic at hand.  Why do people LIKE to keep vicious dogs?
 


One word:  Ego. 


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RE: Dogs kill man... - 9/18/2007 1:04:22 PM   
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People really do not understand how important it is to properly handle some of these dogs


I believe you've answered your own question.

Celebrities are always surprised when their exotic cars, expensive guns, tough looking bodyguards, high priced booze and drugs, or trendy animals suddenly 'become' someone else's problem.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 9/18/2007 3:46:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadameDahlia

Just a quick note... While pit bulls can be just as nasty and vicious as plenty of people seem to think they are... they're not killing machines, hell-bent on destruction, mayhem and death. Many of the pit bulls who attack, maim or kill people are often mistreated by their... I dare not say owner... but by the schmuck who should have been caring for them. And in other cases they're often treated like cocks, made to fight in dog fights. They lack human contact and affection. It's no wonder they turn out the way they do.

On the other hand... a friend of mine has a pit bull. Beautiful, sweet pit bull. You can play rough with her. And she'll never snap or bite. She knows she's at the very bottom of the totem pole, having been raised by three other dogs and two funny two-legged dogs. One loud or harsh word from her humans and she's on her back before you can blink your eyes... often whimpering and pleading for forgiveness, exhibiting signs of submissiveness to placate her "pack mates".

MadameDahlia, I 100% agree with you,generaly people who don't know,Pitbulls Amstaff,Bullterrier,Mastif,Bullmastif etc...Think they are dangerous dogs,and tey're wrong.It's not only the dog type you have but also the education you give to your dog.
If a responsible owner of a Pitbull,knows that his dog is dominat and probably will fight against another dog...He's never get his dog unleash.
But you know,stupid people prefer have a Big Pitbull who is train to bite and attack...And one day,the accident come.
In my life i've had two Amstaffs,now just one...Both has been socialised and educated,i always be safe with others dogs or persons,and i can tell you they 're great dogs,friendly etc...

Anyway, back to my topic at hand.  Why do people LIKE to keep vicious dogs?
EGO like ownedgirlie said


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