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unbroken33 -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 3:18:53 AM)
Domestic violence and s&m are very different. But i do see your fear. If a woman is heard crying out in pain and sobbing, accompanied with the sound of a cane striking flesh, then the cops might get called. And when the cops get there, they may or may not choose to believe it was consentual... Okay, so i can see how it's scary on the surface. But when you look at this, it's actually a very good thing. Domestic violence should be a felony, and it should restrict your rights just as any other felony. This law would restrict folks who do it from getting firearms. Now, i'm a very avid supporter of the 2nd Ammendment, but there is an old saying for this: "You can have a gun, you can have a temper, but you can't have both."

hurtmepls -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 4:21:26 AM)
I'm glad no one else saw the problem either. There was no reference to BDSM anywhere. Domestic violence is not funny it is not consent, it is abuse. Pain that never feels good. Beating the shit out of your wife or girlfreind is not a game or even a valid lifestyle it's criminal. Master Mike is one of those types to give this community a bad name.

MasterMike04103 -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 4:46:51 AM)
I am sorry I hit the send button before I could realize I posted the wrong link, I was trying to fire off a message for a few locals who read this board. In defence of this, where I live, BDSM in the eyes of the local puritanical legal system, is Domestic Violence. The uneducated vanilla public at times have spoken loud and clear that Lifestylers should be jailed because what we do is immoral, degrading, voilent acts towards another human... which I agree we do, but its consentual and they feel that we should be locked up in some psych prison for living our lives as we see fit. The artical I was looking to post spoke to the affect that in my state it was going to be so that ANYONE could report you for DV and in my state, when the police are called for DV SOMEONE is going out in cuffs, no questions asked. So as soon as I have my dinner I will post the correct link... I am again sorry for posting the wrong link, but will do my best to find the right one for you Mike

Mystique567 -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 5:08:53 AM)
Thanks Mike

Twicehappy2x -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 5:27:56 AM)
Guy, domestic violence has zilch to do with WIITWD. Battered spouses do not have safe words nor do they consent to the type of abuse this bill was designed to stop.

instynctive -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 5:37:11 AM)
It's about damn time Baldacci did something good for this State.

SubinMaine -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 5:50:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMike04103 The artical I was looking to post spoke to the affect that in my state it was going to be so that ANYONE could report you for DV and in my state, when the police are called for DV SOMEONE is going out in cuffs, no questions asked. Incorrect. Just a few short days ago, Sir and i were scening and, well, let's just say i got a tad louder than usual with a window open in the room. Embarassing? Oh yes it was, but shrug it happens sometimes. Someone called the cops. They showed up at the house. NO ONE left in cuffs. It was very clear to them that there was not domestic violence going on. Some may try to make it seem that WIIWD is domestic violence, but that doesn't mean the written laws will view it in that light. Besides, think about it....You're watching a "scary" movie...someone's screaming in the movie...someone (a neighbor) calls the cops thinking you're murdering your girl, they show up...do you REALLY think they're hauling your ass to jail for watching a dvd? Signing the domestic violence bill is the ONLY thing Baldacci has done positive for this state. Just my experience and my opinion, as usual.

instynctive -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 5:59:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SubinMaine Incorrect. Just a few short days ago, Sir and i were scening and, well, let's just say i got a tad louder than usual with a window open in the room. Embarassing? Oh yes it was, but shrug it happens sometimes. Someone called the cops. They showed up at the house. NO ONE left in cuffs. It was very clear to them that there was not domestic violence going on. Some may try to make it seem that WIIWD is domestic violence, but that doesn't mean the written laws will view it in that light. Besides, think about it....You're watching a "scary" movie...someone's screaming in the movie...someone (a neighbor) calls the cops thinking you're murdering your girl, they show up...do you REALLY think they're hauling your ass to jail for watching a dvd? Signing the domestic violence bill is the ONLY thing Baldacci has done positive for this state. Just my experience and my opinion, as usual. That was My fault.. I should have gagged you, knowing how much pain you would be bearing that night. Kind of funny.. Wwe disrupted the neighbors but didn't wake up the UM... lol Between being a cop and a paramedic in previous lives, I've seen domestic violence in its most primal form. Unless there is a little something called "probable cause", the cops cannot take anyone away for any reason, regardless of who calls and reports a crime.

MisPandora -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 6:42:39 AM)
Mike, I can't help but wonder how you feel that defining domestic violence and spelling out the abusive nature of it is somehow damaging to those of us who follow tenets of safe, sane and consensual. For your enlightenment, there are a number of SM organizations who actively educate an SM vs Abuse/DV program -- and they all WANT clear definitions of what DV/abuse is because it emphatically demonstrates that BDSM is NOT abuse. http://www.nlaidvproject.us/ http://www.ncsfreedom.org/library/smvsabuse.htm http://www.lesbiansexmafia.org/smandabuse.html http://www.domsubfriends.com/library/bd-v-ab.shtml http://www.avp.org/ http://members.aol.com/NOWSM/Support.html (a bold retraction by NOW of their previous position against BDSM)

MisPandora -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 6:48:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMike04103 I am sorry I hit the send button before I could realize I posted the wrong link, I was trying to fire off a message for a few locals who read this board. In defence of this, where I live, BDSM in the eyes of the local puritanical legal system, is Domestic Violence. The uneducated vanilla public at times have spoken loud and clear that Lifestylers should be jailed because what we do is immoral, degrading, voilent acts towards another human... which I agree we do, but its consentual and they feel that we should be locked up in some psych prison for living our lives as we see fit. The artical I was looking to post spoke to the affect that in my state it was going to be so that ANYONE could report you for DV and in my state, when the police are called for DV SOMEONE is going out in cuffs, no questions asked. So as soon as I have my dinner I will post the correct link... I am again sorry for posting the wrong link, but will do my best to find the right one for you Mike Mike -- Meet the National Coalition of Sexual Freedom. They'll come help you do law enforcement outreach in your community to teach the officers, prosecutors and district attorneys the clear differences between SM and abuse, and they'll also spend time in your community talking you and your constituents through what to do if the cops come a-knockin. NCSF even distributes cool little business cards that can be handed out at parties and posted at the door, "What to do in case law enforcement arrives at your BDSM event." http://www.ncsfreedom.org/eop/index.htm

slaveluci -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 7:04:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64 don t you guys ever watch nancy grace [:'(]Now that would indeed be a "dark day" for this "kinkster." I'm a masochist but, come on, even I have limits...........luci

fungasm -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 7:15:50 AM)
Are you sure you have the right link?

LafayetteLady -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 7:48:12 AM)
Like so many others, I am glad to see that most people know the difference between domestic violence and BDSM. It saddens me every time I see someone make a post about a new domestic violence law saying how it is going to hurt their lifestyle. I makes you wonder if they actually know the difference between consensual acts and non consensual ones. I couldn't honestly say whether victims of domestic violence outnumber the number of people who practice some form of BDSM, but it doesn't really matter. There are enough victims that cause a need for a law. Same goes for the stories where BDSM is the subject of the case. Reading the rhetoric posted by the media, one is led to believe that the lifestyle is totally at fault, but when you research and find out more about the case, you almost always find that while BDSM may have been involved, consent was at some point rescinded and went unheeded, which then makes it a crime and the practice of someone who should be prosecuted. Thankfully, the majority seem to know the difference.

earthycouple -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 7:54:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMike04103 I am sorry I hit the send button before I could realize I posted the wrong link, I was trying to fire off a message for a few locals who read this board. In defence of this, where I live, BDSM in the eyes of the local puritanical legal system, is Domestic Violence. The uneducated vanilla public at times have spoken loud and clear that Lifestylers should be jailed because what we do is immoral, degrading, voilent acts towards another human... which I agree we do, but its consentual and they feel that we should be locked up in some psych prison for living our lives as we see fit. The artical I was looking to post spoke to the affect that in my state it was going to be so that ANYONE could report you for DV and in my state, when the police are called for DV SOMEONE is going out in cuffs, no questions asked. So as soon as I have my dinner I will post the correct link... I am again sorry for posting the wrong link, but will do my best to find the right one for you Mike Mike -- Meet the National Coalition of Sexual Freedom. They'll come help you do law enforcement outreach in your community to teach the officers, prosecutors and district attorneys the clear differences between SM and abuse, and they'll also spend time in your community talking you and your constituents through what to do if the cops come a-knockin. NCSF even distributes cool little business cards that can be handed out at parties and posted at the door, "What to do in case law enforcement arrives at your BDSM event." http://www.ncsfreedom.org/eop/index.htm Don't you love NCSF? I have their cards in my car, my toybag and my bedroom!!!

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: a Dark Day for gangsters (8/7/2007 7:59:28 AM)
Did you know if you goto the Dr and they see marks they will automatically report it in some states it is a law the have to..

instynctive -> RE: a Dark Day for gangsters (8/7/2007 8:14:52 AM)
It depends on the marks and the patient's response. If it's the old "I fell down the stairs" bit, then the Doc would be more likely to report them. If the patient says "My S/O and I participate in BDSM." then the doc would be less likely to report it. That's another reason to be HONEST with health care providers (docs, EMTs, etc).

FullfigRIMaam -> RE: a Dark Day for gangsters (8/7/2007 8:18:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64 Did you know if you goto the Dr and they see marks they will automatically report it in some states it is a law the have to.. Keep the harsh beatings to a minimum on the days prior to her going to the doctor, or find a doctor who knows about your partnership and wiitwd. I don't see the point the OP was trying to make either being that domestic violence and consentual kink are vastly different things. M

Jasmyn -> RE: a Dark Day for gangsters (8/7/2007 8:18:54 AM)
It will be policy soon in New Zealand, for health professionals as part of a medical check up to ask women and children, if they have suffered domestic abuse, physical//verbal/emotional/sexual ... and/or abuse outside the home. Applaud the move ... though I'd make it a blanket question to be asked of anyone ...

MisPandora -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 8:23:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthycouple http://www.ncsfreedom.org/eop/index.htm Don't you love NCSF? I have their cards in my car, my toybag and my bedroom!!! I sure do. They were there for me when I thought the sky was falling (outed at work) and they continue to have the best interests of sexual mavericks like us in mind in all of the work that they do. Viv and Glenda and the gang love to be invited to promote NCSF at events, love to have others promote and fundraise for them, and its a great "cause" to involve yourself in as a volunteer (or as a task to give your subject to involve him/herself in!)

lonlyrossInNeed -> RE: a Dark Day for kinksters (8/7/2007 8:45:33 AM)
I dont see this having anything to do with the comunity at all maybe im reading wrong but i dont see it

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