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darkinshadows -> Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/4/2005 4:19:08 PM)

Question open to everyone who wishes to place their thoughts -

I recently became more aware of the philosophy of Objectivistism (sp?)

Now my question is - that why does it 'seem' to be more acceptable than Gorean - when essentially - they both come from works of fiction books/writers - (although I do understand that Rand was more than fiction)

I am not all that 'up to date ' with the whole philosophy, so these are just observation - not fact.

Peace and Love



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/4/2005 4:40:49 PM)

Why do people love the Story of O and think fantasies from that are cool but Gor is not?

I'm sure it's something to do with how the sub-culture evolved, and its overall perception.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/4/2005 7:13:47 PM)

Objectivists vs. Goreans sounds like one of those roller-rink matches.

I guess I'm rooting for the Goreans.



darkinshadows -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/5/2005 1:19:36 AM)

Hmmm... yeah - I guess I would root for the Goreans - but purely for selfish reasons, of course -

[;)]

Peace and Love



lonewolf05 -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/5/2005 11:19:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

Why do people love the Story of O and think fantasies from that are cool but Gor is not?
=-----------------------
personally i despise them both. "I" have found NO texts of Gor OR so called bdsm that "I" give 10 cents worth to.
i hate em all.
too much mouth and not enough facts. any "book" is written out of someone's opinion. so i have MY opinion. they suck!

but it's just me here. i am always the cynic and the critic.

thanks
the wolf.



LICruelty -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/10/2005 7:25:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dark~angel



I recently became more aware of the philosophy of Objectivistism (sp?)

Now my question is - that why does it 'seem' to be more acceptable than Gorean - when essentially - they both come from works of fiction books/writers - (although I do understand that Rand was more than fiction)



The difference is vital. In Gor, whatever a man says, goes. In Objectivism, whatever Ayn Rand says, goes.

LIC



perverseangelic -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/10/2005 7:30:54 PM)

Heh, I HATE the Story of O. The beauty books were fun when I was 13, but not so much anymore.

I do like the Marketplace books, but I think that might be b/c I care about the characters as well as the kinky sex.



Ssilver -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/10/2005 9:29:14 PM)

My favorite Ayn Rand joke:

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Lordandmaster -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/10/2005 9:29:44 PM)

I dislike the Story of O for two reasons.

First, the chateau stuff isn't very realistic. It makes for an amusing fantasy, but BDSM isn't just for the chateau crowd. And, you know, I have been to chateaux--they don't have crazy BDSM orgies in them at night.

Second, O's psyche is unrealistic and kind of disturbing. Slavery is all about self-abnegation for her. That's not how most real slaves I've known have experienced it. Being a slave is not being nothing. If anything, being a slave is about self-assertion.



onceburned -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/10/2005 11:03:48 PM)

As Ssilver alluded to, Objectivism has plenty of opponents. Probably more of them than of people who espouse that philosophy.

Like Lam, in an Objectivism vs Gorean grudge match I would root for the Goreans.



LICruelty -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/11/2005 4:32:59 PM)

Remember that Story of O was written as a love story from a French literary type to her lover - so there wouldn't necessarily be any realistic intent. He responded, btw, by writing "L'image".



domtimothy46176 -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/11/2005 5:53:41 PM)

I think you'll find there are detractors of both philosophies. Goreans get short shrift on a regular basis because so many interpret their philosophy as myogenistic. OTOH, plenty of folks think Ayn Rand is close kin to the Anti-Christ for her percieved lack of sympathy for the "common man".
Personally, I think there's a lot of truth in both philosophies. I doubt, however, that either ever get much respect from a significant percentage of the population. IMO, there's not that much interest in philosophy these days. Perhaps I'm getting cynical as I approach 40, but it seems like the majority of folks walk around with no deeper thought than what's for dinner.
Timothy



kisshou -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/11/2005 6:14:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176
IMO, there's not that much interest in philosophy these days.
Timothy


you need to read some of anthrosub's posts :)



domtimothy46176 -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/11/2005 6:17:42 PM)

I wasn't saying there is NO interest, just not much among the population at large. As with most any generalization, there are exceptions.
Timothy



kisshou -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/11/2005 6:48:03 PM)

I know , I was trying to be helpful because you seem interested in having philisophical discussions , it is so hard to convey stuff in type.... :)



domtimothy46176 -> RE: Objectivists Vs. Goreans (7/11/2005 7:05:45 PM)

I appreciate it, I do. I have learned, however, that some discussions are better avoided. While I do find Anthrosubs's thread to be interesting, I don't have anything productive to interject and there's been enough knee-jerk reactionism already, I think.
Timothy



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