Rule
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO Care to answer how this really relates to my only real question on this thread: Insinuating this negates the value of her entire life, and the good she managed to do I already answered that. The evil one does, does not negate the good that one does - and vice versa. I suppose that at some time she may have fed some ducks. In the end she has already been weighed and judged by the God of the Dead. I wonder what happened to her mind. Were parts or all of it sent to eternal oblivion? How does one hold a vulture accountable for doing what she was born to do? quote:
ORIGINAL: SusanofO and would you care to venture guessing placing a monetary value on the lives she enriched and-or helped? In this I agree with kittinSol. It is Satan that puts a value on human life - and that is his prerogative. I do not. I consider all human life valuable. quote:
ORIGINAL: SusanofO Yes, I can definitely be stubborn, but don't see that as a bad thing, necessarily. Nor do I, necessarily. In specific circumstances being stubborn is an admirable ability. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol Rule, I know you disagree with Susan. That is not relevant. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol But I think you're taking your 'analysis of a submissive' too far. Perchance. However, it is my nature to explore far beyond the boundaries that bar the way of other people. Analysis to the last decimal, to infinity, is what I do. It is the only way to achieve enlightenment. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol She has been fiery and she has fought for her opinion; I admire that ability. However, it is indeed an opinion; it does not make her right. Indeed, she was wrong. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol I see that you are arguing against her from a Dominant/submissive point of view, which of course, is an interesting way to approach it. I was not trying to dominate her. Indeed, considering my model of subs, I am convinced that a sub cannot be dominated if she is absolutely opposed to being dominated. My purpose was to make her self-aware, both of her strong abilities as a sub and of her limitations as a sub; this not in a dominant-submissive context, but in the context of knowing oneself. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol My only worry is that it's very personal, and it's completely off-topic. In that you are correct, both times. But then, she is presenting and I am observing her presenting. So by definition the interaction is personal. It might as well have been another sub and I would have studied him or her in the same manner. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol I wonder whether you fancy Susan and if that's not why you're going to those lengths. I am going to such lengths because that is my nature whenever I am investigating a phenomenon. I want to know. I see and this is the reason that I do not stumble around in the eternal darkness of blind people. As to fancying Susan. Her presenting as a sub and me recognizing this and taking an interest into this phenomenon and looking into her mind does draw me, yes. Presumably it will pass. quote:
ORIGINAL: SusanofO Actually I don't think he disagrees w/me that much re: My main questions on this thrread - and I'm not particularly insulted (really). And I don't really care much if he disagrees with me, either (and hope he's not insulted by that). But I see your point - if I disagree, and that makes me a super-sub, though, I am quite happy to disagree. I suspect that this 'he' refers to me, considering the use of the word super sub. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol Rule named you a sub a few pages up, and kept on doing so... It got thick, yes. As you noted, I do go to extreme lengths, and that may be misinterpreted. It was for that reason, because I did not want to push a dominant-submissive interaction, that in my post 467 I decided to address her not by her nature, but by her personal name. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol I'm not on Rule's side (I have clashed with him on a few occasions, because of his whacky ideas about us, Jews), but still... Is someone carrying a grudge? I know that I am whacky. I know that other people consider me whacky. They are quite right most of the time. I suspect that very few people do not consider me whacky. And of course I am also the man with the ability to see where ordinary humans cannot. When I say "I see!", the blind people will say to each other "What is that whacky guy talking about now again?" quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol I am trying to dig deep into your psyche). Ah, see? We have something in common. quote:
ORIGINAL: SusanofO also since he is entitled to his own POV This sub talk is driving me to despair. I would elaborate on this, but I have forgotten my arguments. quote:
ORIGINAL: SusanofO But kittensol, IMO, makes a good point in that maybe some would think I am not a "twue" sub, because I debate (relative strangers, I might add). That argument is not relevant to me. quote:
ORIGINAL: SusanofO And me saying this is Not a slam at Rule Nor do I perceive it as such. quote:
ORIGINAL: SusanofO (who thinks this makes me a super-sub, which is not an insult). At all. ;-) quote:
ORIGINAL: SusanofO I think I know Rule, a little anyway You do? I am shocked. (I would use a shocked smiley, but I do not know which one that is.) quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol I was really trying to touch upon the fact that Rule, instead of using your name, kept on calling you 'the sub'. Merely drawing attention to her nature, perhaps a bit too often. Subs are different from other humans, though there is some overlap with other types of humans. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol I realise you are a switch: I have read your profile. More than once: you are an interesting woman. That a sub may switch is immaterial. I have read her profile also. Last year, and perhaps a month ago. I frankly do not remember. I do not recall what is in it, nor do I know if she has a picture up or what she looks like. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol You know by calling you 'the sub' (and he alluded to me, 'the other sub, kittinsol' - I was touched), he was trying to put you back in your place. Hm. Yes and no. As I said, I wanted her to be aware both of her strengths and of her limitations. It is all right to be stubborn and to want to go logically by the shortest route from A to B, but if that results in blindly running into an intervening crocodile invested swamp or over the edge of a ravine because of those limitations, then stubbornness and logic does not serve one well. quote:
ORIGINAL: kittinSol He is attempting to argue that submissives conduct discussions alongside a particular pattern. Quite, though there may be minor variations between subs. In fact, I had formulated my model already before I registered at CM, and I was quite shocked to discover that females could present as subs (I did not even know what that was) and dommes and that males could present as slaves. Observing people at CM has taught me a lot.
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