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Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 9:16:33 PM

Wiplash

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Being relatively new to this life style I am curious to find out what others think as to the type of Infraction that would lead to disciple or punishment.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 9:33:27 PM

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I'm as new as you are, but from what I've read so far that infraction you speak of could be anythiung depending on who you are, what type of limits have been set for your sub/slave, and how far they push/break those limits. Depending on that you decide what the punishment should be.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 9:35:28 PM

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A dom who thinks he needs to come up with a list of punishments before even understanding what behaviors they want to train in a particular submissive is DEFINITELY something that merits being punished, big time.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 9:44:52 PM

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oh yeah, definitely what she said; now i'm wondering what sort of punishment would fit that circumstance....

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 9:56:03 PM

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Something that goes against my rules or the intent behind my rules warrents discussion and possible correction. But, usually, slaves want to be pleasing and so they auto correct.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 10:12:09 PM

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In my relationship? None. We do not have a punishment dynamic. They are really optional. When he wants to hurt me he does. When I want to be hurt I ask. We both know I do the best I can. When that falls short we figure out why and adjust. Works for us.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 10:31:13 PM

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I agree with the comment above about auto-correcting. Ideally, I should never need to punish my slave. A formulated list of possible infractions doesn't work for me. I prefer to deal with issues as they occur. Pretty much like the rest of my life.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 11:21:43 PM

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Personally, coming up with 'infractions' and what each merits doesn't work. I personally enjoy dealing pain; it's not a method of correction for me. Yay for sadism. I think the thing my girl would dislike more than anything is knowing I'm disappointed and facing, in some manner, a level of isolation.

Auto-correction sounds like it'd be nice, and I did see the comment that included 'usually', but with no certainty about what is known, what is known to be expected, and what ways will fix a situation/scenario, it feels too open-ended to me. For clarity's sake, I'd want to identify what was problematic and what I think would be a good solution. If this causes concern from my girl, I'd want to sort out why to see if there's a reasonable compromise or if I'd need to work on training to accomplish what I desire and get her to accept it.

There is no one answer. What works for one person won't for another, and it still takes two to tango. As my girl would chant, in her mantra, communication, communication, communication. And she's right.

But.. what would be an infraction? Again, depends on the person. Some people like sassy subs (ahem), while others will take the first sarcastic response as a sign of impertinence that's deemed worthy of.. well, you can see where that's going, I imagine.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/26/2007 11:51:09 PM

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What if you are into pushing the envelope, and you do these "infractions" for the punishment. They are things that are not serious enough to be relinquished of position as slave/sub, but enough to warrant punishment. Perhaps that is something that is between a Master and a slave?

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 12:15:08 AM

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rules? i am not sure Master or i could work under sets fo rules for punishsment... the variances and nuances make that too complicated... From the onset he took a more simple approach... i was supposed to learn what He preferred and be able to anticipate Him.... Punishemnts may be simply a means to correct habits or knacks that run counter to this....

Regrading obedience, that is an absolute... Here discpline is more severe because failure to obey is consideered intention or negligent rather than incidental....

Finally, discpline is also a means toward self improvement.... Master is constantly setting His standards higher making me work at the quality of my service, my care for self and care for His home..... Always expecting slightly better than i provide and holding me accountable with His discpline....

BTW....   He is great at understanding the value of rewards too....   but that is another topic; this topic was punsihment

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 8:41:17 AM

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quote:

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What if you are into pushing the envelope, and you do these "infractions" for the punishment. They are things that are not serious enough to be relinquished of position as slave/sub, but enough to warrant punishment. Perhaps that is something that is between a Master and a slave?

I'm not interested in being with someone who consistently needs to "push the envelope" in anything but an obvious playful "we all know what's going on" sort of way. Too much energy and reinforcement on my part.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 8:58:26 AM

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I hear that. My slave doesn't want or need to be set up for failure and punishment. Similarly, I don't want or need to be tested to affirm my domliness. Trials and tribulations occur naturally in this life and there is no need to manufacture them.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 9:02:46 AM

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No punishment dynamic here. His rules have to work with my life, not make things harder. Setting me up to fail either my family or him is not appropriate. We do something novel here, we talk things over.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 12:16:38 PM

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Master and i have differing views on punishment...but since i'm the slave He gets His way and i don't....LOL. 1 example comes to mind for me...Master corrected me once for saying something sharp to Him....it wasnt overly harsh...but knowing that i had caused Him to need to do that, just about killed me...

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 12:41:57 PM

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So I'm not a dominant, but I have some input.

As a girl who is still very much in the training phase with her new Master, we don't have any hard and fast "if you do this, this will happen" rules. We're still very much exploring the dynamic of our relationship, pushing my boundaries and giving me the experience to know what it is I am really looking for. Excessive reticence and petulance are not tolerated, but by no means are they (physically) punished with any real severity. The shame of having dissapointed is quite sufficient for me. I think to outline more than a basic list of expectations, at least in the beginning, is setting the dynamic up for failure. I know that I am to be honest, graceful, respectful, and to strive to do my best and be beautiful. I am told when I fail, and I do everything within my power to make up for any errors. Allowing me to punish myself in my own mind puts any of de Sades contemplations to shame, and my Master knows it. A list of infractions smacks highly of high protocol, which isn't my kink at all. Something about the vagueness of my responsibilities forces me to strive harder, to push myself to please as best I can because I can't really know what the minimum is. In my experience, it can be deliciously effective.
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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 1:33:59 PM

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I suppose I never had hard rules about what would warrant punishment. In about 10 years I have only punished her twice. She doesn't want to displease, so any "violation" has been a mistake on her part and we talk about that and I know she will be better about it. We have never come close to what I think would be the harshest punishment, which would be to tell her to leave.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 1:46:33 PM

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I'm with LeadingHand on this one... I can count the number of times I've had to dole out punishment on one hand. I find that rational adults are quite capable of learning what I expect of them without resorting to such tactics, and can only surmise that the seemingly common reliance upon punishment is for mutual pleasure as a form of role play.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 1:55:48 PM

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No list of infractions here to be a set inventory of violations and the appropriate corrections, but more our views on discipline and punishments.

If i don't do thing to the standard we have set, (i forget, get lax or even a bit lazy in things) then Sir will increase or implement discipline. It might be to tighten up on my privileges, or just getting stricter in the area needing improvement. Discipline might increase, however, i am not punished for these things. Discipline is on-going work to improve and tighten up sloppy behavior. Most of it my own self-discipline, self-checking, monitoring of my attitude and behavior.

If i knowingly willfully break a rule, or become defiant or disrespectful, then i warrant a punishment. Punishments vary, depends on the intent, the results, the aftereffects, and my attitude, such as being contrite or not after the occurrence as to the severity of the punishment.

Since I strive to be a “good pet” I get punished very seldom and very little, but I am given discipline on a regular basis.

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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 2:26:48 PM

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I'm not sure what you mean by the word "infraction". The simple answer is don't piss him off. All the times, I've been disciplined and punished were caused by me. I failed to do what I should have done. I knew what was expected and it was my fault that I didn't do what was expected. So there's no such thing as an"infraction". You either peform as you know you should or you willfully don't.
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RE: Infractions leading to punishment - 8/27/2007 3:48:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

A dom who thinks he needs to come up with a list of punishments before even understanding what behaviors they want to train in a particular submissive is DEFINITELY something that merits being punished, big time.

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