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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 7:45:09 AM   
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actually from survivalists articels I read- the poster is right. all the weapons and infastructure doesnt work on its lone self. bodies must sinc it. hence if you are say military you get 3 squares and a roof.

lets ask the troops at camp anacondo Iraq.  sounds like a country club.


Oh this is no where even close to simply the survivalist sites like thorn and 59 would have us believe.

These guys would like to divert our attention from the fact that is all over.  Anyone or site that believes in a sovereign america has long articles on this, libertarian sites, constitutional sites and on and on.  

It seems the people who would discount this as being limited to irrational survialists at the same time discount leaders like kenndy, ike, rooseveldt,  nixon,  ron paul and others and toss them all in some kind of survialist group.   rediculous frankly.

Sure the survivalists make the biggest fuss about it and may even be the first to pick up on it but with high level government officials speaking out against it and B1 announcing it out right to the world in this clip:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5567690278479396737

Hence my question....Just what does it take before people start to pull their heads out of the sand?

Take the remote away?








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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 9:12:45 AM   
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Another video with spooky music dubbed over a statement that has been taken out of context.  He used the phrase, "New World Order", so obviously there must be a plan called the New World Order.  If Bush and all these evil geniuses really were trying to pull the wool over our eyes, then why would he announce it on television to the entire world? 

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 9:15:25 AM   
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Why not? Rumsfeld went on the air to say that the Government would lie to us in September 2001, and then retracted it.

Was the retraction itself a lie?



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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 9:30:11 AM   
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Oh, and when we capture these "New World Order" guys or soldiers or whatever you call them we can strip them naked and make them do Butt Pyramids!
Then hang them, shoot them or drag them behind pickup trucks with chains.
None of that "Geneva Conventions" stuff for Traitors!

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 10:11:12 AM   
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Another video with spooky music dubbed over a statement that has been taken out of context.  He used the phrase, "New World Order", so obviously there must be a plan called the New World Order.  If Bush and all these evil geniuses really were trying to pull the wool over our eyes, then why would he announce it on television to the entire world? 


Frankly I did not think i would have to ask thes of all questions but just what do you think the "new world order" is?  And just what context did he mean it and why? Do you have a site to back up your position or is this just your opinion or??  I would frankly sleep a whole lot better knowing I was full of shit on this.





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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 10:35:28 AM   
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Frankly I did not think i would have to ask thes of all questions but just what do you think the "new world order" is?  And just what context did he mean it and why? Do you have a site to back up your position or is this just your opinion or??  I would frankly sleep a whole lot better knowing I was full of shit on this.


I don't use the internet to cite my positions generally.  About 95% of what you find on the internet is bullshit and/or from unreliable sources.  Of course it's my opinion.  The idea that there there are secret societies running the world behind the scenes is your opinion; it's not a fact.  Citing internet sources does not make your opinion a fact.  I don't believe in conspiracy theories like this, because I don't give these people the credit you do.  I find it ridiculous that people can call G.W. Bush an idiot in one sentence, then claim that he is some sort of evil genius, antichrist type of guy in the next sentence.  You can't have it both ways.  The idea of a world government is not new; it's been with us since the earliest days of civilization.  It hasn't happened, and it's not happening now.  The U.N. is a joke and they couldn't control the world if they wanted to. 

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 10:49:40 AM   
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Frankly I did not think i would have to ask thes of all questions but just what do you think the "new world order" is?  And just what context did he mean it and why? Do you have a site to back up your position or is this just your opinion or??  I would frankly sleep a whole lot better knowing I was full of shit on this.


I don't use the internet to cite my positions generally.  About 95% of what you find on the internet is bullshit and/or from unreliable sources.  Of course it's my opinion.  The idea that there there are secret societies running the world behind the scenes is your opinion; it's not a fact.  Citing internet sources does not make your opinion a fact.  I don't believe in conspiracy theories like this, because I don't give these people the credit you do.  I find it ridiculous that people can call G.W. Bush an idiot in one sentence, then claim that he is some sort of evil genius, antichrist type of guy in the next sentence.  You can't have it both ways.  The idea of a world government is not new; it's been with us since the earliest days of civilization.  It hasn't happened, and it's not happening now.  The U.N. is a joke and they couldn't control the world if they wanted to. 


Kool then i am sure you would be willing to supply your references regarding jekyl island as it fits into your version of the joke.

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 11:18:19 AM   
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Jekyll Island, Georgia?  I assume you are referring to the Federal Reserve Act.  Yeah there was a secret meeting of bankers to create a central bank.  I don't think there was anything ominous about this.  I have problems with it, but I don't believe it was part of a worldwide conspiracy to control people.  I find it a little odd that you mention it.  You made a post about a video concerning our involvement in South America a few days ago.  In that video, Milton Friedman and his followers in the Chicago school of thought are heavily criticized for their involvement with Pinochet.  Friedman heavily criticized the Federal Reserve, and thought that it should be abolished.  This is easily found in any of the number of books he wrote on the subject.  Greenspan who is another favorite target of conspiratorial thinkers has made several quotes favoring a return to the Gold Standard.  My point is that there is a healthy amount of debate among economists about the Federal Reserve.  They are not all sitting around in a smoke filled room scheming against us. 

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 12:07:23 PM   
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Yeah there was a secret meeting of bankers to create a central bank.


OK so you agree there was a conspiracy. 

And we have had that central bank ever since too havent we?

At least I am not losing sleep for nothing.

I hope i do not have to go to extremes like with some others and can avoid posting the definition of a conspiracy to make a point here.

anyway....

So if you know that much about it then you must also know these banking interests are owned and operated by the very wealthy elite.

So would you also elaborate on why that meeting had to be done in secrecy?

Would you also elaborate where in our constitution we grant these foreign bankers the authority to create policy or write legislation or control money in our republic?

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 3:39:54 PM   
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Yeah, well, tell em to come on down to Southern Georgia and take away the guns. We will show em how to open a can, about 6 feet tall. They may be able to do it in the more civilized areas, but they are going to have problems in a state where some cities have laws that you must own a firearm if you are a property owner.


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Well, looks like a lot of people need to get shot.
But seriously, how could anyone dissarm about 100-150 million people?


armored cars that HLS is dishing out around the country, bushs mercernaries, black water. little things like that.



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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 4:35:23 PM   
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OK so you agree there was a conspiracy. 

And we have had that central bank ever since too havent we?

At least I am not losing sleep for nothing.


*sighs*  A group of wealthy people gathered together on a island that was a resort during the turn of the century.  They talked, drank brandy, and smoked cigars.  They decided that a central bank was in their best interests.  I suppose you can call that a conspiracy.  Last Friday night, my friends and I met together.  We drank and we talked about what we were going to do that night.  We knew there was going to be a lot of women at a bar downtown.  So we decided it would be in our best interests to go.  I guess we were involved in a conspiracy too.  I also meet periodically with friends of mine to eat lunch.  We often talk about our finances and give advice to each other.  I suppose that is a conspiracy to defraud various government agencies, banking institutions, and utility companies.  These people at Jekyll Island were all in the banking industry.  They talked, and they decided to push for a central bank.  They believed it to be in their best interest.  This is a free country, and there is nothing illegal about meeting with your friends and formulating a plan to put into action.  You are on a BDSM personals site trying to convince people of conspiracy theories.  I'd say you are losing sleep for nothing.  Run for office if you really want to change things. 

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I hope i do not have to go to extremes like with some others and can avoid posting the definition of a conspiracy to make a point here.

anyway....

So if you know that much about it then you must also know these banking interests are owned and operated by the very wealthy elite.

So would you also elaborate on why that meeting had to be done in secrecy?

Would you also elaborate where in our constitution we grant these foreign bankers the authority to create policy or write legislation or control money in our republic?


You are going to extremes already with your definitions of conspiracy.  As I pointed out, any group of people meeting together for a purpose is a conspiracy.  Of course the banks are owned by the wealthy.  Who should own them?  The poor by definition own very little.  Are you a communist?  Are you proposing a collective ownership of banks?  The Constitution in it's original language defined black people as 2/3rds of a person.  Guess what?  Some events have occured in the last 220 years that have changed things.  The Constitution is not a commandment.  It is subject to change, and those changes are subject to challenge.  The Federal Reserve has survived those challenges.  I don't like it, and apparently you don't like it.  However, unlike you I don't believe that the Masons, Jews, aliens from outer space, etc are all in league to get us. 

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 6:54:02 PM   
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OK so you agree there was a conspiracy.

And we have had that central bank ever since too havent we?

At least I am not losing sleep for nothing.


1) A group of wealthy people gathered together on a island that was a resort during the turn of the century.  
2)They decided that a central bank was in their best interests.  


Ok well since when can "a small group of people, (not legislators), get together and decide what is in their best interest and then force it upon us"?

Just what could possibly motivate anyone to risk treason to pass unconstitutional legislation?   What could possibly motivate them to do that?

So then it seems these quotes based on what you said above agree totally then?

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"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.


"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election....It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!"
--George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress in1957.

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I suppose you can call that a conspiracy.  Last Friday night, my friends and I met together.  We drank and we talked about what we were going to do that night.  We knew there was going to be a lot of women at a bar downtown.  So we decided it would be in our best interests to go.  I guess we were involved in a conspiracy too.  I also meet periodically with friends of mine to eat lunch.  We often talk about our finances and give advice to each other.  I suppose that is a conspiracy to defraud various government agencies, banking institutions, and utility companies.  These people at Jekyll Island were all in the banking industry.  They talked, and they decided to push for a central bank.  They believed it to be in their best interest.  This is a free country, and there is nothing illegal about meeting with your friends and formulating a plan to put into action.  You are on a BDSM personals site trying to convince people of conspiracy theories.  I'd say you are losing sleep for nothing.  Run for office if you really want to change things.

You are going to extremes already with your definitions of conspiracy.  As I pointed out, any group of people meeting together for a purpose is a conspiracy.  Of course the banks are owned by the wealthy.  Who should own them?  The poor by definition own very little.  Are you a communist?  Are you proposing a collective ownership of banks?  The Constitution in it's original language defined black people as 2/3rds of a person.  Guess what?  Some events have occured in the last 220 years that have changed things.  The Constitution is not a commandment.  It is subject to change, and those changes are subject to challenge.  The Federal Reserve has survived those challenges.  I don't like it, and apparently you don't like it.  However, unlike you I don't believe that the Masons, Jews, aliens from outer space, etc are all in league to get us.


Are you a duly elected official who has sworn to uphold the constitution as they were?  

Are you planning to providing the motivation for our legislators to pass any unconstitutional legislation and force it on the people?  

Are you planning what you want to do with your finances outside of lawful parameters?

If you are then yes that is a conspiracy simple and plain as day.


The fact of the matter is that a very small group of people who were not legislators got together and used the influence to secretly make changes in the way of handling our monetary supply in ways that benenift them such that they reap huge profits whith huge fraud at the expense of the american people.

These changes are and were unconstitutional, which is no different than saying criminal or treason or unlawful.

talk with your buds about how to move money around to best benefit your is well with in normalcy and certainly not considered a conspiracy.

So your actions with your friends cannot correctly be described as a conspiracy and frankly you have shown how accurate the quotes really are.  Hence an onging conspiracy.

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 7:14:25 PM   
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Real, you took different parts of my post and broke them down out of context.  You did not address the questions I asked.  I knew you were going to do that.  I don't love our government.  I don't agree with a lot of the things it does.  I vote, and I try to spend my money responsibly.  I can't live a satisfactory life if I spend it worrying about the world's problems.  I do my best to be a good citizen and a good neighbor.  I know that the world is fucked up.  I have one life to live.  I will exist around 70 years according to the statistics ( I smoke and I have a family history of health problems.).  I am 32, so I have about 38 years to go.  I would much rather spend those years in happiness.  Like I said, I do what I can.  I vote and I read.  I pay attention and I pass my thoughts on to the youth I encounter.  I do not force my views on anyone.  I do not call people idiots if they don't agree with me.  I mean very little in the grand scheme of things.  I suggest you look at the post I made recently.  Watch this video:  http://youtube.com/watch?v=7FAcpGtJnvI.  According to your profile, you are in your early 50's.  Enjoy the rest of the life you have and stop worrying about this shit.

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 7:26:18 PM   
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Oh, and when we capture these "New World Order" guys or soldiers or whatever you call them we can strip them naked and make them do Butt Pyramids!
Then hang them, shoot them or drag them behind pickup trucks with chains.
None of that "Geneva Conventions" stuff for Traitors!


Man, that popeye is one crazy violent dude.

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 7:28:23 PM   
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Yeah, well, tell em to come on down to Southern Georgia and take away the guns. We will show em how to open a can, about 6 feet tall. They may be able to do it in the more civilized areas, but they are going to have problems in a state where some cities have laws that you must own a firearm if you are a property owner.

Orion, I wouldn't try it in New Hampshire either.
The State motto up there is "Live Free Or Die!"
Or here in South Carolina, they have some real red necks here, and I'm talking RED-NECK.
Then, there's the heavily armed "nice" people like me who'll crack a joke before we shoot someone in the head..


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Well, looks like a lot of people need to get shot.
But seriously, how could anyone dissarm about 100-150 million people?


armored cars that HLS is dishing out around the country, bushs mercernaries, black water. little things like that.




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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/28/2007 8:28:56 PM   
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Real, you took different parts of my post and broke them down out of context.  You did not address the questions I asked.  I knew you were going to do that.  I don't love our government.  I don't agree with a lot of the things it does.  I vote, and I try to spend my money responsibly.  I can't live a satisfactory life if I spend it worrying about the world's problems.  I do my best to be a good citizen and a good neighbor.  I know that the world is fucked up.  I have one life to live.  I will exist around 70 years according to the statistics ( I smoke and I have a family history of health problems.).  I am 32, so I have about 38 years to go.  I would much rather spend those years in happiness.  Like I said, I do what I can.  I vote and I read.  I pay attention and I pass my thoughts on to the youth I encounter.  I do not force my views on anyone.  I do not call people idiots if they don't agree with me.  I mean very little in the grand scheme of things.  I suggest you look at the post I made recently.  Watch this video:  http://youtube.com/watch?v=7FAcpGtJnvI.  According to your profile, you are in your early 50's.  Enjoy the rest of the life you have and stop worrying about this shit.


Ok the context may be that you just want to live your live and be happy.  trust me we all do.  Unfortunately our government has been usurped by the federalists who by the way did not want or feel it was necesary to have a bill of rights.

you see there is a huge difference in what you and your friends did (assuming it was all lawful), then those who legislate based on personal gain motivated by the few.

I am not just tearing apart what you say for the fun of it i am hoping to illustrate that hughe difference.   We have to know the difference before we can understand its character.

Like i said we all want to live life, but do you have any idea how we are being robbed of our hard earned money every day of our lives?   Its legalized extortion.  

I bitch because to down play this is to acquiesce to nothing short of the mafia.   It goes alaong with the saying i would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

To play this stuff as nonconspiratorial is frankly to live on your knees.  (which is fine with your partner btw but repugnant to a repuboican form of government.


Oh and just another thouight:
i see the least corruption at the city and county level and it get greater as we approach the state level and as you seen in the last couple administrations unbelievably bad at the federal level.

Imagine now with a one world government.  If you think corruption at the federal level is bad you aint seen nothing until you see the level of corruption that would be ata global level!!!!





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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/29/2007 12:30:18 PM   
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I guess we can all join groups like the Michigan Militia, listen to shortwave broadcasts from people like Mark Koernke, and seal our assholes shut to keep those damn alien probes away.  You give these so called leaders and our collective world governments way too much credit.  Honestly, do you really believe these nimrods could pull off a scheme like that? 


My usual response to conspiracy theorists.

Our government and it's contractors cannot build a satellite on time and under budget when they have the blueprints and all the parts in their spares bin (TDRSS F7)

They cannot protect our citizens from standing water (Katrina)

They cannot figure out what happened to 16.5 billion dollars shipped to Iraq. (How the government swindled the American People, latest Rolling Stone)

They cannot keep secret using our military cargo planes to smuggle drugs (Air America, Iran/Contra) and arms illegally.  Additionally, our government cannot figure out that other parts of our government are using military cargo planes to smuggle drugs and arms illegally.

Our law enforcement agencies have to be told by our 4th Estate that the President authorized the illegal wiretapping of the Democratic National Convention (Watergate).  Then our President cannot successfully avoid being impeached by Congress for his lame-ass attempt to cover his tracks.

Shall I go on?

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/29/2007 12:57:09 PM   
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No, just stop there and explain exactly what President was successfully impeached over Watergate...

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/29/2007 1:18:37 PM   
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No, just stop there and explain exactly what President was successfully impeached over Watergate...


My bad, he resigned before they could impeach him.

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RE: So What Does It Take? - 8/29/2007 1:22:53 PM   
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That's why they called him 'Tricky'

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