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VadFarkas -> This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (8/31/2007 6:17:29 AM)

An Introduction,
I have been making round "Turian" style collars in various styles and
sizes for many years. Every so often a customer has a special request,
the Iron Maiden stared her life in this way. At first she was to be an
only child but the customer was so happy with the final result that he
keeps trying to persuade me to make more and offer them to others.
I'm actually proud of the way she turned out under my firm guidance
and stern hand. [;)]
So if you are interested in seeing her photo and reading the
testimonial, visit her here:
http://www.ringofsteel.net/ironmaiden.html
--
Vad Farkas
Ringsmith



RRafe -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (8/31/2007 6:23:52 AM)

Very nicely executed and finished. It's good to see that there are still craftsmen out there to whom details and finish matter.[:)]



MisPandora -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (8/31/2007 12:17:47 PM)

I'm curious as to why you chose to call this particular product an "Iron Maiden" since historically, an iron maiden was a solid cabinet filled with spikes or other sharp objects intended to impale the subject placed in it.



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (8/31/2007 8:25:10 PM)

I like Bruce Dickerson?Seriously you are right about the description but Iron Maiden was the first thing to pop into my mind after I made it....well actually the second thing. [;)] 



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (8/31/2007 8:27:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

Very nicely executed and finished. It's good to see that there are still craftsmen out there to whom details and finish matter.[:)]


Thank you very much and you don't know how right you are.



hardbodysub -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 8:44:04 AM)

Looks like a great product.

It would seem that the tamper-resistant screw should be more secure than a padlock, wouldn't it? Can you describe what makes it "tamper-resistant"? Does it have a custom-shaped head which only a custom-made tool will fit?



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 11:46:25 AM)

Yes you are right about the screw head needing a special wrench. This particular screw and wrench is not real rare but not readily available at the local Dom Depot. A lot of schools use them to cut down unwanted "removal" of equipment. I can get a more specialized head however... for more money of course. That's why I'm just using this one for most applications. The padlock prolly looks more impressive for a psychological effect but I went for the streamlined look.I've only made two and I'm sure things will change depending on the customer's requests, that is after all the most important factor. Thanks for the compliment, I try hard to make a quality product. From what I hear back from I customers, I'm on the right track.



mnottertail -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 11:49:30 AM)

well, you can simply include the red locktite with it (cheaper than special screws)......but that leaves nothing left for choices of getting it off, ever.

Ron

or hep them to the automotive section on their own and be less liable.



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 12:01:39 PM)

Yes I know what you mean and that is why I started offering this type of screw on my collars.
Loctite or Crazy Glue is cheaper and easier but then a little more permanent.
If one wants, some wax can be also used to fill the cavity (in the screw) to detect tampering.



mnottertail -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 12:09:33 PM)

Ja, I would sweat the liability as well as the cost tho, Vad.  you have a drill bit you could make the holes in the ring, get those deals like they got for electrical crimps of ground wires (go to like grey bar and ask for buchannans, that is what I called them all my life, my father was an electrician (little copper sleeves you can crimp , and not plentiful at all, not at home depot or such)and  you could sick a clasped wire thru it, I would not make or sell a non-standard like that out of hand. THEY would be the ones making the decision, just for that liability reason.

Ron



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 12:14:21 PM)

I do offer both types of screws with the collars and I'll do the same for this now that you mention it.
I'm just a one man shop, what do these big companies do about their product locked on with padlocks?



mnottertail -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 12:19:28 PM)

you are given a key(and a spare), they are standard locks...........the act of locking will be viewed differently by the tort system than the common act of screwing (and non-standard or not readily available wrenches) kinda thing.

That is the best shot I can give you here.

Ron



pixelslave -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 12:21:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: VadFarkas

Yes you are right about the screw head needing a special wrench. This particular screw and wrench is not real rare but not readily available at the local Dom Depot. A lot of schools use them to cut down unwanted "removal" of equipment. I can get a more specialized head however... for more money of course. That's why I'm just using this one for most applications. The padlock prolly looks more impressive for a psychological effect but I went for the streamlined look.I've only made two and I'm sure things will change depending on the customer's requests, that is after all the most important factor. Thanks for the compliment, I try hard to make a quality product. From what I hear back from I customers, I'm on the right track.


Looks nice Vad.  Only problem would be the people handy like me who would know exactly where to get the right tools to release themselves.  LOL!  Not that I'd do that if collared to a woman who desired that from me, but I'm confident there are those who would. [;)]
 
Fortunately Mistress is not into chastity!  I've already had enough of that to last me a lifetime and sadly it does have it's longterm effects that can effect one's ability to enjoy stimulation given enough time and the right kind of training. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]
 
I'm fortunate in that Mistress is working with me to overcome the effects of the damage my last Mistress inflicted. [:D] 
 
 - pixel
 
   Collared to Majik
 



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 12:55:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you are given a key(and a spare), they are standard locks...........the act of locking will be viewed differently by the tort system than the common act of screwing (and non-standard or not readily available wrenches) kinda thing.

That is the best shot I can give you here.

Ron



Thanks I appreciate that info.
I just finished editing my web page to reflect this.



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 1:03:45 PM)

Thanks pixel. I'm new to all of this from the male submissive side but am learning a lot.[;)]
This version is a little more secure since the original customer also managed to get himself out of the 1st model. So here I am caught between secure and too secure. I think I might have solved the problem with Ron's help.

I would rather have someone figure out where to get the wrench than try to use a drill or TNT. [&:]



mnottertail -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 1:09:20 PM)

I would sell a standard screw, and sell the non-standard separately, both companies LLC...........NEVER as one package.

sign a waiver for the special screw as part of buying it....

I would make it an knowing, informed and deliberate act, so you can't have a 'reasonable man' tort brought against you easily.

That is me, and of course it wouldn't stop a lawsuit, but it would mitigate the risk and give your voicebox a handle to crank on, if it ever came to that.

Ron



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (9/1/2007 1:12:30 PM)

OK I'm gonna copy and paste this to my legal consultant.
Thanks.



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (12/13/2007 6:56:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

you are given a key(and a spare), they are standard locks...........the act of locking will be viewed differently by the tort system than the common act of screwing (and non-standard or not readily available wrenches) kinda thing.

That is the best shot I can give you here.

Ron



Thanks Ron,
After reading this and other comments regarding a key and padlock option,
I came up with this version:
http://www.ringofsteel.net/images/lockinback.jpg
The lock can be either in the back like the photo or up front by inserting the pin
from the opposite direction but didn't like the bulky look.
So I came up with this latest design that has the padlock fixed to the cage:
http://www.ringofsteel.net/images/imlock.jpg

I still don't like the idea of the lock because in both cases, it is the weak point.
Wear as the screw is also Stainless Steel and there is no worry about corrosion problems,
that is not the case with the padlocks. However this second version eliminates the loose
padlock but creates another in that if the lock gets damaged, the whole unit is useless
as opposed to just cutting off the padlock and replacing it.

The question is how this would be worn... for play, then either padlock versions would be OK
or if a more lengthy less maintenance use, the screw closing.
I believe that only Death & Taxes are totally escape proof, so my items are not meant to be.
Anyway, as always, I enjoy all your comments that might result in a better product.
Thanks once again.


Not sure why the photos don't open, let me repost the links.http://www.ringofsteel.net/images/lockinback.jpghttp://www.ringofsteel.net/images/imlock.jpg



mnottertail -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (12/13/2007 7:25:14 AM)

Vad, that is some extra sporty shit right there.

My point was that you would need a standard head on any screwing device, internal hex or whatever and send a wrench or two so there is no problem with a claim of you made something absolutely impossible to get out of, even for a doctor thingie......

Ron
 



VadFarkas -> RE: This Iron Maiden is not just another Cruel Mistress (12/13/2007 7:38:58 AM)

I made one yesterday and it just went out in the mail.
The customer ordered the Tamper Resistant screw and wrench.
I also sent the standard screws and wrenches along with some short screws.
These screws can be removed with any appropriate allen wrench, so not as secure.
The short screws by the way are so the retaining ring can be worn without the cage.
This is a sort of bonus... two items for the price of one.
Nothing is impossible to get out of like I said above, so I don't try.[:D]



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