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RE: toilet training - 3/6/2006 2:05:16 PM

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MsNichole, You are 100% correct about discussing things between Mistress and slave (but of course i would say that anyways). The comfort level must be there, especially for the Mistress, because peeing or pooping isn't something most people are used to in front of strangers. On the toilet training level, it is so much more intense and personal, that it must be something that both Mistress and slave/sub understand what is involved and the potential risks. A/anyone who takes it lightly both risks something with serious potential consequences and with serious rewards (for T/those so inclined). Thank You for letting me ramble.

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RE: toilet training - 3/6/2006 2:08:47 PM

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toilet training? toilet training? i don't need no toilet training, i already know where it is and how to use it, thank you very much...LOL

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RE: toilet training - 3/22/2006 12:51:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsNichole

As for the scat debate, some people are just never going to get it, like it, or think that it is a safe, or sane thing to do. Personally, if I'm healthy, no diseases, and my diet is fairly good, then what comes out of me can surely be recycled through my slave..

By the way, the above, it's just my opinion..

Ms Nichole.

Oh my gosh, Ms. Nichole...Your opinion is prepared in a most tantalizing and almost welcoming image...To be able to share an audible and tactile piece of yourself as it passes from you into me! Sounds like you are confidentally comfortable with your body, which is typically such a strong and welcoming influence on the male psyche.

However, what is your perspective on the current and longterm consequences that the recipient would be left to endure due to the ever abundant presence of especially Esherisha Coli 0157H7 (E.Coli) and Listeria monocytogenes pathogens within every human's intestines and subsequent feces? How would you be impacted if the man you use as a full toilet today becomes your loving husband for less time than genetically possible, due to a physical or mental expression of illness resulting from being your toilet?

I ask you this with my biased viewpoint, which I admit (as expressed above) has been challenged by your confident image. Furthermore, I am not so much criticizing your view...I think we can coexist in the same big world with differing worldviews. I guess you can say: since your post challenged me to revisit my view on the scat aspect of toilet training, I wonder how my post may challenge your view.

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RE: toilet training - 3/23/2006 5:23:06 PM

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Scat is a HARD limit for me.

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RE: toilet training - 3/23/2006 5:25:35 PM

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There is something so amazing about the whole idea of being used and treated like nothing more than a toilet. This slave has licked its share of toilets clean, and performed alot of rimming but never full scat... Perhaps someday

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RE: toilet training - 3/23/2006 11:40:58 PM

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There is something so amazing about the whole idea of being used and treated like nothing more than a toilet. This slave has licked its share of toilets clean, and performed alot of rimming but never full scat... Perhaps someday

worthlessobject...Would you care to be more specific as to what you mean by rimming? I have just recently discovered, with the help of MsSonnetMarwood's and GoddessDustyGold's textual dialogues and message board posts, that I have nothing more than a few fetishes...I do not qualify for this BDSM lifestyle. However, in getting to know how I can't identify with even standard BDSM practices, I have discovered interesting individuals outside their BDSM context. I think if you could build a realtionship with MsSonnetMarwood here through Collarme.com, you may find somewhat of a capatibility, although her proactive personal life may require some of your flexibility with time.

One of my male fantasy fetishes has been to rim a woman. But I am not sure what that TECHNICALLY means...Does it mean licking her profological orifice after it has just passed its intestinal content...Or is it licking the same area but without any residue? Or can rimming refer to both contexts? If you have had the messier version of these rimming experiences, do you feel carefree to share a perception? I know this question will sound very naive...and in many areas I am...I was wondering if the female hormones FSH, Estrogen, Progesterone,etc. create a tendency toward womens' unwipped fecal residue to smell and/or taste somewhat sweet and/or desirable. I would suppose the objective, sensory scientific answer would be something like,

"NO! It is no bouquet of flowers." I guess if you put your heart into it, you could focus any adverse sensations into a desired one...Or then again, the female excetory area carries a mystical welcoming aroma!

I have no idea, I never attempted this act, but it does carry a mystically powerful image in a sensory inconsequential sort of way.

Also, with the risk of E.Coli 0157H7 pathogen along with other pathogenic contamination, the messier version of rimming might be pretty risky to one's health...But at least it's not involving mass quantities of fecal product passing into one's mouth!

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RE: toilet training - 3/25/2006 12:32:37 PM

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Hello...I've just gone through all posted messages above and i want to tell of my personnal experience...For some reason, i stay away from scat...For me it's not only disgusting but it's not so healthy...But the most important thing i think is that a sub that really loves or veneres his Goddess doesn't begins to have problems looking in his personnal mirror...As long as a sub can look at himself without problem while letting his Mistress humiliating him and degrading him, there's no problem...but as soon as you can't envision yourself doing something without feeling disgusted by what you are (a pig with a mask?), problems begin to appear...Personnally, i think that the limit i'd avoid systematically is being shitted on or having to eat shit...That's too much for me at this moment! But at the same time, i've always been bossed around by all the Women in my life...My mother, my two ex-girlfriends (who cheated on me openly), etc...I simply am not enough "man" for any woman and i began to develop strong fantasies and desires about being enslaved forever by women supremacists who really enjoy using boys to affirm their superiority...So i naturally began to make steps to please Women...I've paid Mistresses to get trained to drink female urine...I did it because for me, pleasing a goddess at (almost) any cost is the most important thing in life...So i now wait eagerly each time to feel my belly filled with hot nectar...I also have the responsability to swallow everything until the last drop just in case that'd upset the Mistress...It's very important to me to prove her i'm ready to do it just for her pleasure...So i guess that the most exciting for a slave would be to feel he's on the same level as his Goddess...So the little advice i'd give you would be to stay frank with yourself at all times...Do you strongly want to do it? Well, let's go! If you're motivated and that your Mistress feels you're very excited to do it, she will like it! This said, if one day a Mistress would ask me to eat her shit, i don't say i'll never do it, but our complicity should be very strong if she wants me to do it...Perhaps, if i,d strongly want to please her (as i suspect), that i'd do it...I'd feel very strongly driven by the idea of being really exploited to the extreme, an idea that really turns me on...As for golden showers, i'd tell that even with a Mistress you meet for one night, ANY slave should let a strange mistress use him as her personnal toilet IF she requests it...A slave is a slave and he or she has to prove himself/herself to the stronger sex...

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RE: toilet training - 4/5/2006 12:08:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

drg how do you know years and years from now your kidnies will not fail from constant misuse of them. What doesn't hurt you now may in a few years. IT's like obesiety, while being fat now won't hurt me in 5 years if I am still fat I could get diabeties. or develope medical conditions from being fat,

Even if you could go through your entire life totally avoiding all things and behaviors which might be dangerous to your health, you'll still wind up dead.

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RE: toilet training - 4/5/2006 8:32:26 PM

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i just wanted to comment on how, for the most part, this thread is of exceptional note. Too many threads that i have read, in my humble opinion, rapidly devolve from the question into polarizing statements of right and wrong. While some people understand the attraction, others feel the risk is too great. Risk and risk assessment are the single most defining issues of who W/we are. i will admit to carrying a bias when it comes to this area as all of my training and experience in life has brought me to the position that i am only really alive when sliding along the razors edge.

Dare to fly where you and your partner are comfortable. Understand all of the risks associated, and the levels that each of you is comfortable with. If your eyes are open to all of the dangers and still both of Y/you care to proceed, than God bless Y/you both for this is the state where true happiness is found.

Life itself is fundamentally risky, after all not a single one of us ever survives it.

This discussion has done an exemplary job of staying more focused than most, and i felt it was just worth pointing out.

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RE: toilet training - 4/5/2006 9:26:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: DRGMCH

This Scat debate is always doing the rounds,about the dangers,etc.
I get fed up explaining that no ive never become ill,it took some getting used too granted,but i am healthy and fine.
Read some of the previous messages on Scat and ToiletSlaves,if you dont want to do something you dont have to do it.
I havent been ill,so i dont take notice of so called experts telling me otherwise.

have you been checked for hepatitis?

do some research on hepatitis. scat play is a major cause.

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RE: toilet training - 4/6/2006 5:10:47 AM

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I too have long yearned to serve as a toilet for a powerful woman; partaking of her hot nectar is an easy one for me. Her poo, while sacred also, causes me pause. Conceptually, it is exciting. However, I do find it hard to believe that ingesting solid waste would not carry health risks (at least in the long run if not the short). But I do completely understand the exhiliration and desire to be a Goddess's dumping grounds...talk about objectification! "Queening" is the term...just the word itself makes my heart skip a beat or two...

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RE: toilet training - 4/29/2006 9:38:51 AM

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What You said about toilet service being highly personal is so true. i have had an experience of a dominant lady freezing at the moment, even though She had me so deep in subspace i would have done whatever She wanted.

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RE: toilet training - 4/29/2006 9:48:37 AM

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I explored enema training with a Dominant many, many years ago.

He followed me into the bathroom when I emptied my bowels and stood beside me. At first I was mortified (and we had been dating for months, so having the bathroom door open was never an issue) but then .. the way he cradled my head against his side brought out different feelings for me. The experience was a good one. It only happened for us once.

Beyond that, I'm not into toilet play anymore. That was my only experience in scat play - though it really was much more an exercise in being humbled and being drawn even closer to my Man.

I changed enough diapers already. No need to play in that stuff!

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RE: toilet training - 4/29/2006 9:48:45 AM

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I agree with the status qou on this one....being used as a toilet is Both extremely humiliating and exciting....However it is Also a Very intamite act and or experiance..

As for scat it is a Hard limit for me as well......However i do agree with the health concerns of this type of play

In fact urine play is Not all that healthy either....The risk however is Faaar less than scat

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RE: toilet training - 4/30/2006 1:21:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: WorshippingYou1

"Queening" is the term...just the word itself makes my heart skip a beat or two...

I thought Queening was the term used for facesitting? Am I wrong here?

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RE: toilet training - 4/30/2006 2:09:29 PM

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Queening is the 'active' form of face sitting ...cunninglus... Sometimes face sitting is a smothering game.

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RE: toilet training - 5/14/2006 8:28:23 PM

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Your opinion is certainly a great one. Recycling is the best way for a sub to become one with his Mistress as long as She enjoys it. Getting to know each other first is a big requirement,you are so right. Perhaps sharing it with a toilet bowlcam is the safest to start and proceed from there to the point of hard limits. A woman in your position has many offers, many no shows and many dropouts. I'm sure when you finally find the genuine one, now You need the time to become comfortable. For your enjoyment may you find several that you are comfortable with.
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RE: toilet training - 5/14/2006 11:54:47 PM

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i've long ago stopped attempting to rationalize or justify my serving as a human toilet. after over 10 years, with no problems (including the heps), i can only speak for myself.

i did want to mention that i enjoyed MsNichole's comments and agree with them 102%.

and ultimately, what some enjoy, want, or crave, others will loathe, eschew, and condemn. its life - live it.

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RE: toilet training - 5/30/2006 8:26:12 PM

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I enjoy golden showers and have had brown but only on my chest and cock.

We should all understand the following biological facts.

Urine is generally sterile upon excretion, unless the person has an infection or is taking certain medications (e.g., antibiotics).

Feces, on the other hand, is never sterile and always toxic to some degree. The posters above who regularly ingest feces and have not been ill are lucky - thus far. The odds are high that regular ingestion of feces will cause serious illnesses, the most predictable being acute hepatitis A, and can cause death. Understanding this fact does not require medical knowledge. The signs in restaurant bathrooms about the law requiring all employees to wash their hands are specifically targeting hepatitis A, caused by ingestion of even relatively minute amounts of feces that gets in food when food handlers don't properly wash their hands after taking a dump. Hepatitis A is a serious illness that goes away eventually but causes liver damage. If minute amounts of feces in food can cause serious hepatitis A, logic dictates that regular ingestion of substantial amounts of feces is much more likely to cause it.

I am not trying to discourage anyone from doing their thing, but you should do your thing with your eyes open. Knowledge that regular ingestion of feces will invariably make you seriously ill may not affect your decision to take the risk. You should know, however, that there is a high rsik.

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RE: toilet training - 5/31/2006 4:18:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: kannis1

I’m new to being a slave or submissive and I have a mistress that I’m slowly getting to know. I'm interested in experiencing toilet training. When I asked her if she would train me, she said that it’s a very dramatic and exciting experience. She said that perhaps I should take it slow and start with something like a simple golden shower. She also went on to say that it’s a total mind f***k and once you do it, you'll never be able to stop. She seems a bit reluctant in introducing me to it. Like I said I’m new to this whole thing and I don’t know anything really about this lifestyle. Could you please tell me why it’s such a big deal? Should I be fearful of it? In your experience, what happens to the men that have under gone it? Also, how can I get her to believe I’m ready for it?

Thanks,

Phillip

Well I tend to be blader shy with strangers. But I don't think it's particularly addicting. Your first time you most likely will get sick, maybe a few times after that too, that's O.K. The next dozen times after that you will most likely get nausious. Just don't do it with strangers. Alot of medications will pass thru the body and flush out in the urine. Other diseases as well would be my guess.

One time I punk a slave. Made him eat a peace of my fresh poop as a condition of ending the session.

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