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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 6:34:21 PM

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I just want to say shouts out to my homie Jiggaboo Jones!

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RE: Be Counted (was RE: Jena 6 Day) - 9/20/2007 6:34:43 PM

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Be counted!

How many of you would sit under the "white tree"?

Like I said in a previous post. This is not uncommon. Go into any high school cafeteria today and you will see segregation all over the place. You will see lunch tables with only black kids and lunch tables with only white kids. You will see tables with only girls, others with only boys. You will see tables with only kids on the football team and others with just cheerleaders. This is not something uncommon. High school cliques like to claim their own territory to congregate. And they will defend that territory.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 7:01:25 PM

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I dont think anyone is claiming that the noose incident wasn't offensive. No one is denfending it. But put it in perspective. No one's necks were in those nooses. A 6 on 1 beat down is not a school yard brawl by any means. It's criminal. And a real persons head was the target. A hanging in effigy is horrible, a beating in reality is far, far worse. The kid that's still in jail had 4 priors before this incident! Two for assault! That's not just because white society is picking on him. Listen - I know, I think most people know, that blacks are disproportional charged with higher crimes. The are disproportionally given larger sentances. I believe in 'the cause'. I just think this is a really, really poor example of it.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 7:15:00 PM

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Amy Goodman had in interview with a fucking Cracker on the school board, and I suggest you hit democracynow.com for the podcast of it...

I got the subtext, "We came a long way since the 50's... They woulda all been lynched... THEY SHOULD BE GLAD THEY WEREN'T".

Anyway, listen for yourself and see if you "Read Between The Lines" the same way I did...

Thank you FB,a little context goes a long way.

Most people here are spouting personal views,w/ no clue of the context and history of the tension.

IMO,nobody has clean hands here,especially the adults.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 7:17:32 PM

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There was an overall air of intimidation against the black kids and the white kids were pointedly being let off the hook for their overtly racist acts. And there's other context to consider here also - there were prior white vs black skirmishes and even a shotgun toting white kid at one point.

Do you know how effective mere words are against a shotgun?

You are taking one incident out of context and whining about it. Look at the whole story and you will see that the actions of the six were probably provoked and acceptable in the air of intimidation and second class citizenship under which they were being forced to live.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

Ah, that changes everything. I guess they were justified in beating up a white kid who had nothing to do with any of it. Spoken like a true Victicrat.

The boy who was beaten up was at the party slinging racial slurs regarding the boys who were involved in the fight. They jumped him because of that. ALL of this was a product of the situation with the tree and nooses and hate crimes being called a high school prank.

And it doesn't happen only in Jena. It's happening everywhere.

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Even on Mars? How ridiculous can you be?

I suppose if YOU come from Mars that might be a viable question, but since I live on this earth, AND specifically, the United States, I was referencing my comments to the United States. However, if there's nothing more viable to offer as support of your point of view other than ridiculous comments regarding racism on other planets in our solar system, I'll just take this as a concession on your part.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 7:38:58 PM

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My question to daddysprop is...

If six white kids beat one black kid that badly in Jena LA and were similarly prosecuted, would you be as outraged?

And if black kids hung up something that has historically been a symbol of terrorism toward white kids, would you be as nonchalante regarding their actions?

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I am not being nonchalant at all.

Did you see the photos of the young man who was beaten?

A six against one lynching (which is EXACTLY what it was) cannot be justified because the one kid was friend with some white kids who put hangman's ropes in a tree. Sure it was beyond bad taste, done to provoke hate and worthy of suspension and the like but hanging a noose, no matter how distasteful is no a cause for mob violence. Even if the kid was dress up and black face and singing Camptown Races in front of them, you cannot justify the six of them beating him.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 7:46:02 PM

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If you call a group of kids the "n" word,you`re gonna get your ass kicked.
If he had call 8 kids the "n" word,it would have been 8 on 1.If he had called 3 kids the "n" word,it would have been 3 on 1.
The lesson here is,don`t call someone the "n" word,you`re gonna get you ass kicked.

Calling it a lynching is wrong, on many levels.That is an exaggeration,plain and simple.We don`t need to muddy the waters w/ charged words,like "lynching".Can we be adults here.We don`t need to make things worse.

2nd,there is a horrible history of people who were lynched(actually,as in it really happened),because they were black.Lynching doesn`t involve just a hanging.It involves merciless torture(while still alive),burning and cutting off of the genitals,usually with a carnival atmosphere,as well as hanging.
That`s what the nose stands for,and what the nose hangers,wanted to say.The nose hangers were no better than terrorists.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 7:52:16 PM

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My question to daddysprop is...

If six white kids beat one black kid that badly in Jena LA and were similarly prosecuted, would you be as outraged?

And if black kids hung up something that has historically been a symbol of terrorism toward white kids, would you be as nonchalante regarding their actions?

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I am not being nonchalant at all.

Did you see the photos of the young man who was beaten?

A six against one lynching (which is EXACTLY) what it was cannot be justified because the one kid was friend with some white kids who put hangman's ropes in a tree. Sure it was beyond bad taste, done to provoke hate and worthy of suspension and the like but hanging a noose, no matter how distasteful is no a cause for mob violence. Even if the kid was dress up and black face and singing Camptown Races in front of them, you cannot justify the six of them beating him.

Actually, no one is justifying the beating - including daddysprop. However, what people ARE saying is that consequences for ALL the boys - black and white - should have been more even handed. 22 to 25 years in prison for a school fight when those engaging in hate crimes are given in school suspension is not even handed by any means.

And not coincidentally, a member of the school board who helped to move this whole situation in the general direction of even more flared tempers, by offering the white kids in school suspension when a recommendation for expulsion had come from the principal and then just HAPPENED to be the person prosecuting the case...smells real real bad to more people than just the black population who have been smelling that smell for years and years and years.

Enough is enough. It's not so much about racism as it is simply (if simple is what you can call a complex case) a matter of equality.

The Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana said one thing right today when he said that the final chapter of this story hasn't been written yet. Once the protestors and media have left Jena there is still the process of finding a way through all of this so that those who live in Jena, both the 888% white and the 12% black can find some peace there again, Only this time, it'd be real nice if that peace can include a reasonable sense of parity between the cultures - at the very least with regard to law enforcement and the judicial system.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 7:56:23 PM

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If you call a group of kids the "n" word,you`re gonna get your ass kicked.

If he had call 8 kids the "n" word,it would have been 8 on 1.If he had called 3 kids the "n" word,it would have been 3 on 1.

The lesson here is,don`t call someone the "n" word,you`re gonna get you ass kicked.

sticks and stones will break my bones....

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 7:59:24 PM

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The lesson here is,don`t call someone the "n" word,you`re gonna get you ass kicked.

The lesson here is no one can act with impunity. Whether you hang nooses, point loaded guns or jump classmates, there are consequences. All anyone's asking is for the consequences to be meted out more fairly than they've been in Jena.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:08:10 PM

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The lesson here is,don`t call someone the "n" word,you`re gonna get you ass kicked.

The lesson here is no one can act with impunity. Whether you hang nooses, point loaded guns or jump classmates, there are consequences. All anyone's asking is for the consequences to be meted out more fairly than they've been in Jena.

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Fair enough.I think that`s what everyone,eccept a very few ,wants.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:14:25 PM

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If you call a group of kids the "n" word,you`re gonna get your ass kicked.

If he had call 8 kids the "n" word,it would have been 8 on 1.If he had called 3 kids the "n" word,it would have been 3 on 1.

The lesson here is,don`t call someone the "n" word,you`re gonna get you ass kicked.

sticks and stones will break my bones....

How about a noose in your yard?Or a burning cross?How about a dead animal thrown down your well?

Remember the context,here.

Also,it was kids.I think the adults need to be more adult,and stop poking at this,and making it a political horse to beat on.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:29:56 PM

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           A 6/1 stomping needs some serious penalties. That the recipient wasn't a lot worse for wear just says the 6 were incompetent about it.

         That said, (and realizing I'm siding-up with Al Sharpton <shudder>) the charges are outrageous under the circumstances. A NOOSE!?!? I'm a west coast white boy, but I know what that one means. Those responsible should have been expelled, and tried for making terrorist threats or on federal civil rights charges (not too late either).

      The unequal justice is disgusting. Charge the initiators, or FREE THE JENA 6!!!

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:36:12 PM

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The principal wanted the boys expelled and he recommended that the boys be expelled for hanging the noose. But it isn't his call to make that decision. Like in most districts around the country, that is up to the school board. And the school board said no. So maybe the people that these black activists need to have beef with is the school board. Not the school administrators or the justice system.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:37:40 PM

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What an interesting four word statement

'Product of the situation'... what an easy way out. Not deliberate choices. Not intent... Not free will...they were the 'product of the situation'. They were helpless in making their decisions. 6 people kicked 1 persons body much like frost forms patterns on windows or clouds look like snowmen. It was inevitable and they are not responsible. When a man murders his wife because she is cheating his actions are the 'product of the situation', right? There comes a point when despite how you were wrong'd it is also wrong to take it to the next level.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:42:55 PM

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Six to one is a lynching and the Civil Rights movement, which was pretty much founded to curtail and pass anti-lynching laws (they were always blocked by progressive Democrats btw) did not toil in blood and pain just so Blacks could turn the lynchings around and target Whites.

The NAACP and other like minded groups lobbied and fought for years for harsh and tough anti-lynching laws and finally won them. The six black students lynched the one white student. They now face the conseqences of their actions.

Large groups of Whites used to lynch single Black men. Often as not the lynching was resulted murder or disfigurement of the victim. Mobs get out of hand quickly and the line between severe beating and death can come in a second. That is why anti-lynching measures made such acts "attempted murder". The State will have to prove attempted murder of course but it must be consistent and bring these actions regardless the color of the mob.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:45:29 PM

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General response.

How did some people here take the original post as a call for these people to get away with what they did? That just isn't what this thread was about, and certainly isn't what she said.

Come on now people ... forget the accused are black. Just put that aside. They wanted to charge people with murder, when nobody died ... which does tend to be a requirement for murder, right? Now, they want to burn them with up to twenty-five years, for a fight. I've seen fights at my old High School, where nobody was arrested, where people looked as bad as that guy.

Maybe this was worth a night in the can, and made a civil matter at that point.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:50:35 PM

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What an interesting four word statement

'Product of the situation'... what an easy way out. Not deliberate choices. Not intent... Not free will...they were the 'product of the situation'. They were helpless in making their decisions. 6 people kicked 1 persons body much like frost forms patterns on windows or clouds look like snowmen. It was inevitable and they are not responsible. When a man murders his wife because she is cheating his actions are the 'product of the situation', right? There comes a point when despite how you were wrong'd it is also wrong to take it to the next level.

Well,is a sense,yes.

If I called you a fagot,in front of your kids and your wife/girl,call your SO a puss filled whore,in front of you and your kids,and/or called your kids bastards,in front of you,I`d expect a beating.Or at least I`d expect you to try,just as naturally as frost forming on my window.

Understand?

note:this is not meant for anyone in particular.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 8:59:16 PM

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Six to one is a lynching and the Civil Rights movement, which was pretty much founded to curtail and pass anti-lynching laws (they were always blocked by progressive Democrats btw) did not toil in blood and pain just so Blacks could turn the lynchings around and target Whites.

The NAACP and other like minded groups lobbied and fought for years for harsh and tough anti-lynching laws and finally won them. The six black students lynched the one white student. They now face the conseqences of their actions.

Large groups of Whites used to lynch single Black men. Often as not the lynching was resulted murder or disfigurement of the victim. Mobs get out of hand quickly and the line between severe beating and death can come in a second. That is why anti-lynching measures made such acts "attempted murder". The State will have to prove attempted murder of course but it must be consistent and bring these actions regardless the color of the mob.

(they were always blocked by progressive Democrats btw)

No need to revise history,Fatdom.

No need to revise history,Fatdom.

No need to exaggerate either.Your use of the word lynching is insulting to victims of lynching.I think you know that.The caviler use of the word is reckless.
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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 9:00:02 PM

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      The school board is for later, Cyber. They get theirs in the class-action suit by every black family with a student under their jurisdiction.

     The initial incident was a death threat, not a prank. The school board should have no say in how they are prosecuted. What we have at the moment is a perversion of justice.

     Let's see if this new AG is gonna be worth damn.

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