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Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 9/24/2007 4:56:35 AM

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 9/26/2007 8:02:40 PM

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geez, now when relocate I suppose you're supposed to ask if its zoned Bondage or Sadist? Thank heavens for Muli zoned areas

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 9/26/2007 10:06:21 PM

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Oh no...ropes, chains, and handcuffs....were all going to die...

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/2/2007 5:32:46 AM

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This is a serious concern for us pro doms. Not all of us can afford to work and live in two separate locations, and have to be very, very discreet about what we do. Zoning is but one of many laws that we must be concerned about, but local and state obscenity laws are the real bad boys to keep an eye on. Anyone who plays privately, ie- no money exchanges hands, does not have to think about such concerns normally. But for anyone who takes a picture, video or uses another form of medium, such as webcams, does need to be aware that other laws have been revised and added to in recent years which do take away our rights. Look up US 2257 for a start and see where your research trail leads you... if you are unaware of these nation-wide laws, you will not like what you read. There was another thread about the law cracking down on slavery... but what of these laws that govern the professional players here? Or am I the only one?!

I had been following this woman from Indy's story for a while now and this was the first bit of recent news about her I'd seen. I figured she would be forced to shut down. It's sad to think that a few years back, she was on good terms with the mayor of her city, even listed on that website as a guest at one of the mayoral functions... my how the times change, and quickly with the right political pressure.

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/2/2007 11:55:31 AM

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Not all of us can afford to work and live in two separate locations, and have to be very, very discreet about what we do.

I thought this was an interesting case and I would not have known about it had I not seen it here.

I found it interesting that it had been deemed prostitution yet apparently no prostitution or tax evasion charges have been filed.

I wonder if "the clients" were being discreet outside the establishment . How did anyone know what was going on in there?

I wonder if the rule is being applied to those running marketing, consulting and other like business from home.

I had a contracting company, I didn't run it from home but I could have easily and saved a lot of money. I charged what it took to run a business from a business premises as most people do. A business that doesn't make money usually doesn't survive, that's the nature of the beast. Now I don't know in this case if financial transactions were taking place but if they were, it's a business. If they weren't I guess it's a passion or a hobby, for fun when one gets home from work, in which case there might be an injustice here.

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/2/2007 12:23:49 PM

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that mistress was charging for sessions as a pro. she had also not been discreet in the past when in public... the last clip on the news video showed her walking a rubber clad slave outside... that was done in the park in the middle of the day... so little discretion was used, as the mistress thought she could get away with it, change the views of society around her or some other such grand, crazy notion.

also, there have been other stories of pro doms who have been run out of town by police because they have coerced clients into ratting out their mistresses to save their own necks. what those subs don not realize is that they would get a slap on the wrist, a fine and some humiliation at worst... the mistress faces possible jail time in such cases though.

paid sessions are in no way comparable to lifestyle, private play since no money exchanges hands. when the latter factor is present, at least in the state of ohio, it is illegal to accept money from someone simply to spend time with them, as our obscenity laws have not been updated since the 50's! so many people do not even consider the laws when they phone or email asking me to do all kinds of things that would be most risky to me, and it is so frustrating because the information is out there for all to read. Anderson's Law has a brilliant site that will assist those in search of laws that apply to us in the bdsm scene, particularly pros.

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/3/2007 5:11:35 AM

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/3/2007 7:39:55 AM

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Greetings everyone

I know Miss Ann, and to say she put up the fight is an understatement. The real issue, is that an undercover cop, tried to get her to solicit for sex. Which she doesnt do. Thus they had to go for the "zoning" issue since she couldnt be charged with prostititution. To me the real hoot, is the guy got all dressed up and paraded around, while "undercover".

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/3/2007 9:20:35 AM

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Greetings everyone

I know Miss Ann, and to say she put up the fight is an understatement. The real issue, is that an undercover cop, tried to get her to solicit for sex. Which she doesnt do. Thus they had to go for the "zoning" issue since she couldnt be charged with prostititution. To me the real hoot, is the guy got all dressed up and paraded around, while "undercover".

I want pictures of the undercover cop, now that IS kinky!!!! Dominatrix's , seen plenty of those

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/3/2007 3:40:14 PM

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Hey thanks, I never would have found this!

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/3/2007 5:02:43 PM

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At first I thought it said "Dommes become crossing guards" I thought that was probably a good idea. Keeps the kids, and the drivers, in line! (Whissssstaaak! You can cross when I SAY you can...)

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/3/2007 6:32:39 PM

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You might also be intrested in this article. http://nuvo.net/articles/article_5796/ Spicificly this quote from the NCSF

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.....the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, a nationwide legal support group, said that Donaghy is picking the wrong fight; that while the NCSF supports the legal establishment of domination businesses in proper zones, residential neighborhoods are the wrong place for it. “Donaghy is denying the obvious by stating that her work is not sexually oriented,” said Susan Wright, national spokesperson for the NCSF.

I have been folowing the case on and off for years now. Mostly because the people 'oppressing' her were democratic politicians and the people suporting her were consertive talk radio. But I know that dosent stop people from their standard kneejerk reaction of "damn those evil republicians and their puriticinal morality"

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/4/2007 12:17:26 AM

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Speaking of other doms not helping but hurting a fellow gal, a similar thing happened to me in Denver a number of years back. I set up a dungeon in a business and residential zoned warehouse/artist commune type building. I did get the dancer's license that the city required (and that is what they told me I needed when I said what it was I was going to do- set up a dungeon). I had undercover cops calling me for days before I agreed to take one on in a session. When I met with him for coffee, I asked what he did for a living- he said construction; looking at his clean, manicured nails, I knew my gut was right and he was indeed a cop. I thought that if I did the session as legally as possible that they might leave me alone. I did make him dress as a maid and sweep up the entire studio with a tiny broom and mop, on hands and knees. He repeatedly asked for some kind of sexual contact - but back then, I was not as well versed as I am now, so I did not kick him out asap. After he cleaned for me, I gave him the option of facing a corner and doing his business with his back to me, or dressing and leaving. He chose to leave of course, saying, "Nice racket you got here." Not two seconds after I closed the door, I had 15 cops knock on it, then burst thru my door when I answered it. I did ask if they had a warrant, as they didn't have my permission to come in, but they said they had a complaint and that was enough- and no, I did not need to know who made it. They took pics, seized things and treated me like a whore on the street. I was told to come downtown the next morning to talk to the detectives after they had spoken with the DA... cause they didn't know what to do with me. I went the next day and they couldn't even write me a ticket! They told me I was free to go on operating, as they couldn't find anything at that time to get me on. But I was panic-stricken that they would find, or plant, something at a later date. I had to cancel all work I'd lined up for fear of what would come next. Well, homelessness for a few months came next. I was unwilling to put myself out on a limb again when I had no money for legal help and was new in town and didn't have any regulars to help me or give advice. The short of the story turned out to be that only a few dommes worked in town then. One of them did not want anyone else coming to town who was a threat to their biz. I am thinking of one woman who ran an outcall service that did domme work too... but it all matters not now, I suppose. When the time came for a shakedown, I had no cash and no options other than the car, or moving home to Dayton again... which I eventually ended up doing. Good times!!

It is just sad that there is no comraderie when there really needs to be some, to help ensure everyone's freedom down the line.

Thanks for the link to the old posts about this Mistress's story... I appreciate it!

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/4/2007 12:23:00 AM

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So, the difference between you and me is you have azoning issue with cops and I have a life when they come knocking? A street whore? LOL.

you come by my house and maybe I will come by yours.

You are not owed a goddamn thing.

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/25/2007 11:11:21 PM

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I think she crosses some decency laws by going out of the house.

Yeesh.

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RE: Dominatrix crosses zoning laws - 10/26/2007 5:19:57 AM

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Indiana, the home of open and free thought.....What was she thinking? I believe Mike Tyson decided to take up residence there awhile back. It would actually be nice to have her live next door....Maybe during some of her "down" time she might be willing to watch the kids.

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