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cuddleheart50 -> Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/29/2007 7:17:20 PM)

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/217-million-pounds-of-beef-recalled/20070929194109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Nothing is safe to eat anymore.




Sanity -> RE: Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/29/2007 7:26:01 PM)

I raise my own beef.

I give my calves cute names too, like "beef steak" or "tenderloin".

And I know my butcher.




TheHeretic -> RE: Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/29/2007 8:45:46 PM)

       The bacteria is killed by heat.  Well Done is your friend with any kind of ground beef.  Simply put, cook the shit out of it.




GoddessMine -> RE: Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/29/2007 8:46:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

I raise my own beef.

I give my calves cute names too, like "beef steak" or "tenderloin".

And I know my butcher.



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Ponyboy7 -> RE: Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/29/2007 9:20:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     The bacteria is killed by heat.  Well Done is your friend with any kind of ground beef.  Simply put, cook the shit out of it.


This is true, but some strains of E. Coli can produce heat stable enterotoxins; so while the bacteria itself is destroyed by cooking, some of the toxins it produced will remain in the meat and can cause illness if ingested.




UR2Badored -> RE: Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/30/2007 1:32:13 AM)

a related concern:
Mad cow disease will not be affected or altered by heat (it is based in proteins so it cannot be broken down), and from what I understand, it has a four year gestation period before symptoms appear.    Scary! it seems many, not all, contaminated foods are caught after purchase.  I still love beef, but if there is ever an outbreak of this sort......we are screwed.




Level -> RE: Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/30/2007 4:49:44 AM)

Nothing is ever 100% safe, but if you buy grass-fed beef, you'll get a much healthier product. Or do like Sanity, grow your own.

quote:

Until he saw the light, Jon Taggart--6 ft. 5 in., jeans, white cowboy hat, Texas twang--was a rancher like any other in the southern Great Plains. He crowded his cattle onto pasture sprayed with weed killers and fertilizers. When they were half grown, he shipped them in diesel-fueled trucks to huge feedlots. There they were stuffed with corn and soy--pesticide treated, of course--and implanted with synthetic hormones to make them grow faster. To prevent disease, they were given antibiotics. They were trucked again to slaughterhouses, butchered and shrink-wrapped for far-flung supermarkets. "It was the chemical solution to everything," Taggart recalls.

Today his 500 steers stay home on the range. And they're in the forefront of a back-to-the-future movement: 100% grass-fed beef. In the seven years since Taggart began to "pay attention to Mother Nature," as he puts it, he has restored his 1,350 acres in Grandview, Texas, to native tallgrass prairie, thus eliminating the need for irrigation and chemicals. He rotates his cattle every few days among different fields to allow the grass to reach its nutritional peak. And when the steers have gained enough weight, he has them slaughtered just down the road. Finally, he and his wife Wendy dry-age and butcher the meat in their store, Burgundy Boucherie. Twice weekly, they deliver it to customers in Fort Worth and Dallas happy to pay a premium for what the Taggarts call "beef with integrity--straight from pasture to dinner plate."


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1200759,00.html

I buy mine from a Basic Foods store, and intend on ordering some from an online source:

http://www.americangrassfedbeef.com/grass-fed-steak-varpks.asp




Termyn8or -> RE: Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/30/2007 8:01:37 AM)

I used to really like my philadelphia style, or black and blue burgers but I do not eat them any more. For the uninitiated, black and blue means burnt to a crisp on the inside but still refrigerator cold on the inside. And for me, the only thing to touch that meat is fire and salt.

Being not stoooopid, I can no longer have that unless I grind my own beef. E coli generally is on the surface of the beef, and most usually on the whole damn carcass. When they cut it up, it can get to any surface of the meat because things are moving. This is a production facility, not a library.

So if you get a piece of meat, say a steak, the inside of it has not been exposed. When you burn it like I do, with FIRE, there will be no E coli, and I doubt many of their toxins will remain either. Plus it is only on the suface.

When you get ground meat you can never be sure what parts have been exposed. So it must be cooked. I've learned to suck it up and cook it, but now I add garlic and a few other things. Seasalt makes a big difference in how meat cooks, and can make a well done piece pallatable to a Man who would prefer it rare.

Even burgers are not hard to cook medium rare, which is pretty much safe. Try it with chicken. I have done it, just barely cooked. Nowadays I cook it more. I know what those production facilities are like and I cook things now.

I do not prefer it like this, but it has become a safety issue. I remember the good old days, Mom or Pop making meatballs and just grabbing some of the raw meat out the bowl. Those days are over. I think it's a shame, we should be able to trust our food sources, but they have infiltrated the agency which should be regulating them.

I have eaten rare pork as well. Thing is, it COULD be no good. It wasn't. Even if I had to pay more, to be able to trust that the meat was good, I'd go for it. But who can you trust ?

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Eaten A Hamburger Lately? (9/30/2007 8:18:43 AM)

hmmm. welll this ecoli- there is no excuse for. in a postmodern society where we are so advanced tthis should not happen. maybe i will send troops...as i self annoint myself ecoli  czar.




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