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hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by the ... - 10/1/2007 2:08:58 AM   
madame2u


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Status: offline 		My sub asked Me a question I could not answer. Will someone please give feedback on the subject matter noted above. Why would a Dom/Domme want to require their hetero sub to perform on a same sex Dom/Domme if this sub is not bi oriented? Their are many ways to prove submission, show obedience, etc.  Just curious. Ty in advance for your responses.
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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 2:40:08 AM   
MsLilac


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Status: offline 		Hi Madame,

The reasons would be limitless. For me, it’s not my thing, so I‘m probably not best qualified to answer, but I‘ll have a go. I do believe though, this is a common fantasy normally held by many subs actually, and some Dommes to a lesser extent.

I suspect a Dom/me would request this of their sub/slave because it is their kink. Might turn them on, might get off on flexing those Dom/me muscles, might enjoy the free porno show, might get off on the sub/slave being so devoted they would do it, might get off on the ‘seediness’ (which would depend on context), there are probably some who get off on the mind fuck that they are ‘making’ them ‘bi’. Those are just a few I could think of. I suspect there are many more reasons.

It’s all down to the individuals concerned, and what limits have been agreed etc.

May I ask why and what context your sub was asking this?

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 5:16:43 AM   
madame2u


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Status: offline 		Madame,

Ty for your response and honesty. My sub and I were talking of one of his fantasies about being obedient and to what extent he would go. he told Me of his desire to please his Mistress however and that if asked he would do out of obedience. However, he is not bi so not his kink. his willingness to do what asked was reasoning should I ever ask that of him.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 5:47:07 AM   
LaMistressa


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Status: offline 		I've had a lot of potential submissives and submissives say they would do this to show obedience, even if they don't identify as bi. As for reasons, it could be seen as emasculating, it could be used in a humiliation scene, there's a taboo aspect to it, it's fun to watch (in my opinion at least)...or, they could have a closet curiosity, and want to explore this within the mental safety zone of a directed or "forced" situation. 


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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 5:55:41 AM   
laurell3


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Status: offline 		I'm never into making someone do something that is emotionally charged and really outside of their comfort zone, however, having a hetero sub male demonstrate how he would suck a cock on a toy might be a good start and is something I have done before with men that said they were curious but unsure.
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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 5:56:39 AM   
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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 6:08:37 AM   
slaafcuck


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Status: offline 		i agree with earlier responses on emphasizing the humiliating effect of being forced to perform homosexual activities. also it would highlight again how eager a slave is (how eager i would be..) to serve and please a Mistress..  for that reason i have put in my ad that i am bi although i am not really.  i would even serve a Master for these same reasons. 

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 6:31:34 AM   
defiantbadgirl


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ORIGINAL: madame2u

My sub asked Me a question I could not answer. Will someone please give feedback on the subject matter noted above. Why would a Dom/Domme want to require their hetero sub to perform on a same sex Dom/Domme if this sub is not bi oriented? Their are many ways to prove submission, show obedience, etc.  Just curious. Ty in advance for your responses.


This is something I would never require, but it's extremely common. In fact, it's difficult to find a male sub that has never and would never engage in same sex acts. When I was listed as a switch, I constantly received messages from male subs seeking a mistress to "force" them to have same sex acts. This is the reason I now list myself as a submissive.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 9:59:58 AM   
Koala


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Status: offline 		It stems from the fact that almost nobody is 100% straight or 100% gay... remember the Kinsey scale? Sometimes it takes a little outside pressure to make a fantasy become a reality, which can be very rewarding for all parties. Sometimes it doesn't work.

As long as there's the implicit understanding between sub and Mistress, it's likely to be a positive, learning experience, whether or not it's deemed worth repeating.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 2:16:13 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		Just off of the top of My head, I think the two most common are showing the depth of submission and fantasy fulfillment for the Domme or the sub.  In My personal opinion, it is very hot to watch.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 6:48:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: madame2u

My sub asked Me a question I could not answer. Will someone please give feedback on the subject matter noted above. Why would a Dom/Domme want to require their hetero sub to perform on a same sex Dom/Domme if this sub is not bi oriented? Their are many ways to prove submission, show obedience, etc.  Just curious. Ty in advance for your responses.


Because, along with other methods, it *is* one of the ways to show submission through doing something one does not personally find appealing and does purely for their dominant.  Added to that, depending on the people involved, it's a rather extreme way for some.

And those are just two easy ones.  Plenty of other reasons out there.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/1/2007 7:09:28 PM   
SubJordanTyler


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Status: offline 		For me, it was to show my complete submission and devotion.  I've sucked many strap-ons and taken even more in my ass, but never the real thing in either hole.  While I still have yet to experience either of those things for real, I have had cum shot on my face and in my mouth - and that was for the humiliation factor.  I was made to kneel, look up, open my mouth, and wait while guys stood above me, jerked off and came all over me.  Now that is very humiliating - but it was to please Mistress, so I did it.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/2/2007 12:33:28 AM   
DarkLovelyDomme


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Status: offline 		Hmmm. In my personal experience, all the slaves interested in this type of scene were "forced" in the same way I might "force" myself to eat a plate of delicious cookies.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/2/2007 3:02:25 AM   
MaamJay


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Status: offline 		I would hesitate to demand this of a male sub who is genuinely not interested or curious, I think there could be some psychological repercussions that just aren't worth the risk. I don't get off on the "pretend to force me" thing ... if he's curious, I would love to arrange it with an agreeing male and watch the show! If he's not, fine, W/we don't go there! Since Master's not keen to be on the receiving end ... I'd need 2 curious willing male subs here simultaneously ... well, I don't expect to see that show any time soon *smile*.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/2/2007 5:57:45 AM   
Koala


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ORIGINAL: DarkLovelyDomme

Hmmm. In my personal experience, all the slaves interested in this type of scene were "forced" in the same way I might "force" myself to eat a plate of delicious cookies.


That made me laugh hard enough to startle the neighbours.


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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/2/2007 10:48:00 AM   
Unrepentant1


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Status: offline 		Any sub who has done this for a Domme, particularly the first time, will tell you it was worth the significant effort it takes, as the peasure you see in her eyes and face is priceless.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/2/2007 11:20:04 AM   
Maxer


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Status: offline 		I didnt try it ever before but for me the ultimate humiliation is when a mistress want to see me sucking cock of other man. My mistress often talks about that and I think that only she could make me do that. I cant imagine any other situation I can accept it.
Bi sex in sessions, on mistresses wish, is maybe just higher level of strapon??? I dont know, it is only my humble opinion. 

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/2/2007 1:54:08 PM   
beeble


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DarkLovelyDomme wrote: Hmmm. In my personal experience, all the slaves interested in this type of scene were "forced" in the same way I might "force" myself to eat a plate of delicious cookies.

What, you mean that it seemed initially appealing but, after five or six, they start to feel a bit, er, full?

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/3/2007 4:41:34 PM   
slavedoggieboy


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Status: offline 		My very first Mistress and her Sister, had me give blow jobs to their Brother and their Brother-in-Law on many occassions. It was just something tht they demanded, and i obeyed. SInce that time, (50 years ago) i have never wanted to do so again, and in fact the thought of doing it makes my stomach feel sick. That being said, if my present Mistress asked me to do it for her, or ordered me to do it, i would Obey without question. She does have a male friend that she is very fond of, and i think maybe she is working toward having me take him in my mouth and brink him off.

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RE: hetero submissives required to perform bisexual by ... - 10/3/2007 6:09:00 PM   
AFlyInYourWeb


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ORIGINAL: DarkLovelyDomme

Hmmm. In my personal experience, all the slaves interested in this type of scene were "forced" in the same way I might "force" myself to eat a plate of delicious cookies.


Good point.  The sub can always refuse, even leave the relationship if necessary, to avoid the bi-sexual experience. 

The whole concept is fantasy, since if any true force were used, it would be a criminal act.  So I see it as a sort of male equivalent to the "play rape" fantasy that some female subs have.

Instead of "forced", I'd substitute "seduced". 

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