Wickad
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I would always want to know about the health problems of any prospective partner - and pretty early on. Like before I start a physical relationship. It wouldnt be grounds for elimination (metaphorically or, probably, literally) as long as they wanted to sort themselves out ie get to the point where they are healthy without any tablets. Even if thats a long haul for them, as long as they are up for taking that journey I'd be OK. We are all mentally ill, there is not one perfectly balanced person alive or in existence now or ever; its just a matter of degree. Health does not come from a medicine cabinet. Health comes from how we deal with who we are and from taking part in objective reality and living life.
I added the bold.
I find this statement incredibly ignorant. Someone taking medication to combat any type of illness should not stop taking said medication if that medication is necessary. Suggesting to a diabetic that you would be happy to have a relationship with them as soon as they quit taking their insulin would never be suggested. However, suggesting to a bipolar person that they quit taking the medication that corrects an imbalance in brain chemicals is some how acceptable.
I suggest that folks look into some of the illness they are talking about before they do all the judging based on false information or prejudice.
Wickad
I am baffled by your response here. As you are calling me ignorant, then its ok for me to call you illiterate I assume? read the bold you put in there - where does it say I would not start the relationship if they were ill? I would want to KNOW THE SCORE before starting the relationship is what I said in the previous two sentences. The bit in bold means that their problems wouldnt necessarily mean I was going to eliminate them from consideration, so long as they were willing to work on their problems and ideally to the point where they no longer need their pills.(Its called healing)
Wickad, please answer
1. Where does it say I think they should stop taking the medication if that medication is necessary?
(What I actually say is they should stop taking the medication if they can get to the point where it is not necessary.)
2. And where do I suggest that I would only be happy to have a relationship after they had stopped taking their medications?
(What I actually say is that I would want to see that they had a desire to sort themselves out, even if that was a long process (and usually its hard work, with no shortcuts and often with crap advice ))
I know what you are trying to say, and I agree with your points. However, you have not understood me at all. What you have done is put a slant on my post to suit your view of what I am saying, without actually looking at the facts ie what I have actually written.
As I said, baffled.
PS you think I am prejudiced as well? Explain that one too if you reply. I get to call you another name for that: Muppet.
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Note: I am not about to get into a long running debate on this topic, thus, if my answer contained herein is does not answer your questions ... well, to bad - lol.
GoldStallion,
You have stated that you would not preclude a relationship with someone on medication "...as long as they wanted to sort themselves out ie get to the point where they are healthy without any tablets." The point I was making is that you would never have this same expectation of people who were taking .... ohhh, lets say insulin. The reason for this (and this is a presumption mind you) is that insulin is necessary for the diabetic person to ... ohhh, live. Without insulin a diabetic will wither away and die. Without proper medication, many people who suffer from mood disorders would ... well, jump off a bridge, engage in risky behaviour, or simply lie in bed until they die. In both cases the person is dead. These folks, diabetics or those suffering from a chemical mood disorder, will always need to take some form of medication (ie: a tablet) or they will not survive. Both the diabetic and the person suffering from a chemical brain disorder will never "...get to the point where they are healthy without any tablets." For this reason I believe you are speaking about something you do not know anything about and thus speak (aka type) out of ignorance.
ig·no·rance [ig-ner-uh ns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.
No place in your original post do you ever state "(What I actually say is they should stop taking the medication if they can get to the point where it is not necessary.)". This is only brought up in your second post. If I have misunderstood your position then I suggest you re-read your original post with a critical eye and see what is actually in it as opposed to what you thought was actually in it. In fact what you do say is,
"Health does not come from a medicine cabinet. Health comes from how we deal with who we are and from taking part in objective reality and living life".
Though I may agree that health is not solely derived from medications (ie: a medicine cabinet), for some people a large part of them maintaining and being healthy does come from some form of medication. To get back to the insulin dependant person, I doubt any form of exercise, meditation, balanced lifestyle choices, stress management, etc is going to effect their life as much as insulin. The same can be said for persons whose disorder is of a brain chemical nature that manifests itself in a mood disorder.
I hope this has cleared this up for you and any other reading this thread.
As someone else has commented on ... I hope the mods close this thread very soon as it is simply a re-hashing of previous threads on people 'being crazy' and is really leading no where.
Wickad
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