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Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain" - 10/4/2007 9:54:12 AM

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As the subject says, Psychology Today published an article titled The Pleasure of Pain: Find out why one in ten of us is into S&M.

I thought it was interesting and worth passing on.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19990901-000039.html

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/4/2007 1:29:23 PM

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This part:

Despite the research indicating that S & M does no real harm and is not associated with pathology, Freud's successors in psychoanalysis continue to use mental illness overtones when discussing S & M. Sheldon Bach, Ph.D., clinical professor of psychology at New York University and supervising analyst at the New York Freudian Society, maintains that people are addicted to S & M. They feel compelled to be "anally abused or crawl on their knees and lick a boot or a penis or who knows what else. The problem," he continues, "is that they can't love. They are searching for love, and S & M is the only way they can try to find it because they are locked into sadomasochistic interactions they had with a parent."

Offended me, because it just kind of ended the section it was in. No explanation of the quote, nothing to contradict what was said. Whereas it's a completely bias, and overgeneralized statement, completely dismissing my ability to really love my partner, or anyone else. Other than that, it's an interesting article.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/5/2007 11:02:02 AM

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i think the fact that the man quoted is a disciple of Freud tends to discredit him. Freud was a nutcase himself, IMO.

It is ludicrous to suppose that anyone involved in S&M is unable to love. Nor do i personally crave humilation or abuse. It would have been nice had the article had a rebuttal quote from a psych profession with actual knowledge of the lifestyle or someone who is in it.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 1:56:47 PM

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Freud wasn't too bad. I'm taking a class now called Freud & Feminism where we go over his original work. Mostly it's people after him that warped his views and misinterpreted things.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 2:53:12 PM

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Does anyone have a copy of the article? I cannot get it to open and I would love to read it.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 3:35:39 PM

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quote:

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Does anyone have a copy of the article? I cannot get it to open and I would love to read it.

Thanks,
jen

Did you try typing it into your browser? I've had to do that with some links in order to get them to open.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 3:45:05 PM

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I believe the whole article is way out of line and individualized to certain people, but not all. It has a one way thought that all from abusive situations etc, are in BDSM. That is a reflection of one individual, not all.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 3:49:01 PM

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And to add to that thought, it seems the author has given his opinion based on "facts" that he has not experienced, therefore to me, they are not "facts".

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 4:02:28 PM

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quote:

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Did you try typing it into your browser? I've had to do that with some links in order to get them to open.

I tried that, but it didn't work. However, I did get it to open when I used a different browser. Thanks.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 4:14:08 PM

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if we follow this train of thoughts, everything you'll not experience will not be facts, because you didnt have a personal view of it? whoa. I'm glad i'm not the person who think that, cause i'll have a narrow-minded view of my universe...
A psychologist will examine theories often based on a case-by-case scenarios, as you said. Maybe he didnt get all the facts, but from those that he did get from, he forms a theory. It's up to his studies to prove him wrong, not to him alone.
At times, it seems like the author of the article may have a biased opinion on the subject...let's remember she's a journalist, reporting information from other sources, therefore very well placed to put an inconscient opinion in her text, which may not always be objective.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 4:25:24 PM

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Freud did a lot of good work in consciousness with his theories on the Ego, Id, and Superego, but his ideas on child development and sexuality have largly been disgarded over the years. Freud had children developing on a weird sexual level as children with the anal, oral, etc stages, which if anyone has ever taken a class on childhood development knows that it is ten times more complicated than that.

This article talks about BDSM in a past and present light, showing people how it was previously viewed by psychologists and how it is viewed today, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are right. Such things are relative anyway. Science tries too hard to objectify things which that doesn't work most of the time.

Thanks for posting the article by the way. I may end up using part of it for my psychoanalytical take on Mathiew Lewis's The Monk for my British Romantic Literature Class.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 4:30:54 PM

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nevermind

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 4:32:59 PM

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Great article. Thank you.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/6/2007 5:06:20 PM

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After reading this article, all I can say is that the author of it does have some good points. But as far as Freud goes, if I want any advice on BDSM and romance, I'll seek the advice of Dr. Susan Block or Jay Wiseman's readings, thank you very much. :D

P.S. Okay, so I can't spell! But at least I know how to use a flogger! LMAO

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/7/2007 6:15:00 AM

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What about the D/s aspects of the lifestyle. i mean not everybody has interests in the S/m parts. it's so misunderstoon in the mainstream areas..

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/10/2007 6:51:39 AM

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Well, from my read, the D/s aspects were lightly touched upon in the author's discussion on the need for control and submission. All in all, I thought the article was basically ok...kind of right on in some parts and totally off on others. In general I thought her treatment of the subject was even-handed and she was careful to present other people's opinions as clearly theirs and not hers. What amazed me tho, was the attitude of the psychoanalyst person in NYC of all places, who maintains that SM is about addiction and that those who practice SM are incapable of love...to me, nothing could be further from the truth. I know I get off on whackin' the shit out of a willing boy, but I am one of the most loving ppl I know. And yes, I'm biased, in my own favor, but so what? I can say the same thing about lots of other ppl I know in the life.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/19/2007 7:02:11 PM

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Good analysis and some food for thought. Alas, the essence here is not whether Freud is right or wrong, but the concept and acceptance in a study (not the ultimate). Remember bdsm is about honesty and has a wide scope - any body's interpretation and acceptance is by and large, by that person and his/her partner.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/20/2007 6:02:14 AM

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And to add to that thought, it seems the author has given his opinion based on "facts" that he has not experienced, therefore to me, they are not "facts".

Fairly typical for that worthless magazine.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/20/2007 7:03:43 AM

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I found the article to be quite positive. At least researchers are looking into this lifestyle more seriously.

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RE: Psychology Today article "The Pleasure of Pain... - 10/20/2007 7:13:16 AM

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Do we really need resesarch to point out the obvious.

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