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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:37:37 AM   
Mercnbeth


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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

what if the Creator/God or whatever you believe in says, it's her time to die before you, then what?

that you have NO control over ...no matter what your title is



reposted from the "where is My soulmate?" thread:

"Is a soul mate necessary? NO

Having a soul mate isn't even a situation that can be valued good or better than not having one. It is very scary living with the fear of losing such a 'mate'. Actually loosing one must be a feeling far exceeds any disappointment of never finding one. When tied so close the very thought of being untied for reasons out of your control weighs heavy in your heart and spirit.

Wanting a soul mate doesn't or shouldn't "blind us to the potential happiness all around us". It does however present a goal which may be as painful to obtain as it is to fail to achieve."

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:43:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		if rights only qualify as such if they cannot be revoked, then i suppose i have no rights, only privileges. however people have their "rights" revoked all the time, legally sanctioned at that (i.e. prisoners).

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:43:10 AM   
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just to clear things up...all the rights this slave has AS MASTER'S SLAVE are given to her by Master....and can be revoked by Him as well.


That sounds like "privilege", not "rights".

Rights are irrevocable. Privileges can be revoked.



Bob,
your irrelevancy is staggering...

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:47:20 AM   
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It is very scary living with the fear of losing such a 'mate'. Actually loosing one must be a feeling far exceeds any disappointment of never finding one. When tied so close the very thought of being untied for reasons out of your control weighs heavy in your heart and spirit.

Ok, this hit me RIGHT between the eyes. The above statement is SO strong inside me that it is almost interfering with my ability to fully enjoy my relationship with my Master, and I'm honest to God at a loss as to what and how to fix it. I SUCK!


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:49:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

if rights only qualify as such if they cannot be revoked, then i suppose i have no rights, only privileges. however people have their "rights" revoked all the time, legally sanctioned at that (i.e. prisoners).


And slaves 'revoke' their rights, despite the fact any court in the land would enforce those rights if requested.

When I speak of "rights" in an M/s relationship I am thinking the master will not, indeed vows to never revoke the right to XYZ.

Any other liberty is a "privilege" which can be revoked anytime (or under special conditions, whatever has been negotiated/agreed upon).


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:51:40 AM   
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It is very scary living with the fear of losing such a 'mate'. Actually loosing one must be a feeling far exceeds any disappointment of never finding one. When tied so close the very thought of being untied for reasons out of your control weighs heavy in your heart and spirit.

Ok, this hit me RIGHT between the eyes. The above statement is SO strong inside me that it is almost interfering with my ability to fully enjoy my relationship with my Master, and I'm honest to God at a loss as to what and how to fix it. I SUCK!

Sincerely sorry about that.

It was only meant to reflect us and how I feel. beth quoted it to give perspective to the 'die first' challenge.

< Message edited by Mercnbeth -- 10/5/2007 11:55:36 AM >

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RE: I have the right!! - 10/5/2007 11:53:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm curious as to what other sub's /slaves etc think their rights are?

 
I don't have rights but I do have the honor of carrying his name and the priviledges which he grants me. I also have several abilities. For example, I have the ability to ask for release, but not the 'right' to ask for release just as I have the ability to rob a bank but not the right to rob a bank. Himself has set down his laws and I obey those laws by vow and action.
 
Celeste
 





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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:54:59 AM   
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When I speak of "rights" in an M/s relationship I am thinking the master will not, indeed vows to never revoke the right to XYZ.





well again by that definition of rights, i have none. He's always made it clear that he giveth, and he can taketh away...this applies to all things: rights/privileges, food, shelter, life, the cat, my doll collection, etc.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:55:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

quote:

It is very scary living with the fear of losing such a 'mate'. Actually loosing one must be a feeling far exceeds any disappointment of never finding one. When tied so close the very thought of being untied for reasons out of your control weighs heavy in your heart and spirit.

Ok, this hit me RIGHT between the eyes. The above statement is SO strong inside me that it is almost interfering with my ability to fully enjoy my relationship with my Master, and I'm honest to God at a loss as to what and how to fix it. I SUCK!



You let it inspire you to do your best at all times, and hope you never have to face that loss.

With my wife, a few years younger than me, I thought she would be the one to face this loss, not me.

Life decided to surprise me.


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:55:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Rights are irrevocable. Privileges can be revoked.


Bob, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this.  Please name me one "right" that anyone has that cannot be taken away in one fashion or another.

As I said above...

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Unfortunately, that takes us into a philosophical debate over what exactly a "right" is.  All I can say is that in order for a right to be inalienable, it must be acknowledged and respected.   I may say I have the right to live, but if an individual deprives me of my life (murders me), have they not denied me my right?  Does that mean that my "right" was really only a privilege?


Essentially, "rights" and "privileges" differ only in how they are accepted and respected by those around us. 

In other words, those around us are the ones to determine what is a right and what is a privilege.  Our only "right" is to change who we associate with... except in cases where we have no choice (as in being imprisioned).

In which case maybe it's just a privilege, after all. 

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 11:57:25 AM   
Bobkgin


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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

When I speak of "rights" in an M/s relationship I am thinking the master will not, indeed vows to never revoke the right to XYZ.



well again by that definition of rights, i have none. He's always made it clear that he giveth, and he can taketh away...this applies to all things: rights/privileges, food, shelter, life, the cat, my doll collection, etc.


That's why I said when I first posted that you'd disagree with my list. You previous contributions make clear you don't see yourself having any irrevocable rights.


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:01:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

just to clear things up...all the rights this slave has AS MASTER'S SLAVE are given to her by Master....and can be revoked by Him as well.


That sounds like "privilege", not "rights".

Rights are irrevocable. Privileges can be revoked.



On what planet, Bob?  Even in your own country...a liberal mecca if there ever was one...rights can be revoked by the courts depending on your actions.  Assault a little old lady on the street, get caught, go to court and have your "right" to live free revoked by the magistrate.

It has been argued by many scholars that the only rights we have are those granted to us by the government of the country we are living in.  One argument against the "inalienable" rights granted in our own constitution is that the phrase "We hold these truths to be self-evident...." which then leads into a statement about what "the Creator" has granted to be merely a more eloquent example of "because WE say so".

Someone noted on here that they have the right to be happy....in all honesty, show me the law or the theological doctrine that states that.  We BELIEVE we have the right to be happy but there is no law granting that right.  If there were, than that makes someone responsible for breaking the law when it comes to homeless people...as an example...because they surely are not happy.

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:05:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

quote:

It is very scary living with the fear of losing such a 'mate'. Actually loosing one must be a feeling far exceeds any disappointment of never finding one. When tied so close the very thought of being untied for reasons out of your control weighs heavy in your heart and spirit.

Ok, this hit me RIGHT between the eyes. The above statement is SO strong inside me that it is almost interfering with my ability to fully enjoy my relationship with my Master, and I'm honest to God at a loss as to what and how to fix it. I SUCK!

Sincerely sorry about that.

It was only meant to reflect us and how I feel. beth quoted it to give perspective to the 'die first' challenge.

Oh my no...please don't be sorry or anything....its just when i saw that staring back at me in print I went "Holy shit!  It was like a light bulb went on...and I KNEW that is what the "fear" I have in me is from....NOT that Master will "do" anything really...but that "something" will happen. You know...like waiting for the other shoe to fall. I need to figure this out, because I WILL NOT live the rest of my life in fear...I just won't. I CAN'T.


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:05:43 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Bob -
Guess you are back "peeking" - How brave!

By my count, and admittedly I don't hang on your every post as it seems you do with us, you've had a "pain-slut" wife of 10 years, 5 slaves (one "falsely represented bi-sexual"), and a number of subs. Your computer keys must be practically wore out.

All withdrawn from your dominance due to their "betrayal of trust", even after going through your stringent and all exposing "evaluation" and "interview" process? Perhaps you need to reassess the effectiveness of your process.

However I'm happy to know you believe my words are inspiration. I'll quote you on that in the future.

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RE: I have the right!! - 10/5/2007 12:14:08 PM   
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I think the one inviolable "right" that every slave should have is the right to be happy.  All the limits, privileges, negotiations seem to stem from that. 


I don't believe that anyone has the right to be happy.  Some people don't have the luxury of happiness in their life.  I think that being allowed 'the pursuit of happiness' is about the best that one could hope to be granted by another human being.

  Laura

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:14:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Oh my no...please don't be sorry or anything....its just when i saw that staring back at me in print I went "Holy shit!  It was like a light bulb went on...and I KNEW that is what the "fear" I have in me is from....NOT that Master will "do" anything really...but that "something" will happen. You know...like waiting for the other shoe to fall. I need to figure this out, because I WILL NOT live the rest of my life in fear...I just won't. I CAN'T.



What helps me with this issue is to appreciate each moment that I have with him and not dwell on the inevitable time when those moments are gone and all that are left are memories. Like Merc, Himself has ordered me not to die before him unless he's the one who kills me. I'm not allowed to die by natural causes, accidents, acts of God or my own hand. As he said, he'll see just what kind of slave I am by how well I follow that decree.  You don't have to live in fear when you can choose to live in joy.

Celeste

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:18:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

just to clear things up...all the rights this slave has AS MASTER'S SLAVE are given to her by Master....and can be revoked by Him as well.


That sounds like "privilege", not "rights".

Rights are irrevocable. Privileges can be revoked.



On what planet, Bob?  Even in your own country...a liberal mecca if there ever was one...rights can be revoked by the courts depending on your actions.  Assault a little old lady on the street, get caught, go to court and have your "right" to live free revoked by the magistrate.

It has been argued by many scholars that the only rights we have are those granted to us by the government of the country we are living in.  One argument against the "inalienable" rights granted in our own constitution is that the phrase "We hold these truths to be self-evident...." which then leads into a statement about what "the Creator" has granted to be merely a more eloquent example of "because WE say so".

Someone noted on here that they have the right to be happy....in all honesty, show me the law or the theological doctrine that states that.  We BELIEVE we have the right to be happy but there is no law granting that right.  If there were, than that makes someone responsible for breaking the law when it comes to homeless people...as an example...because they surely are not happy.


I suppose *rights* are determined by what authority you live under and who's governing them. We can assume all the rights we like, but if no-one recognises them they would be pretty meaningless, except to ourselves.

Being *happy* simply isn't a right, it might be a right we decide we have, but if no-one assumes the duty of providing or is governing it, then that's all it is.

agirl




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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:21:57 PM   
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you can choose to live in joy.

Well I wish I would hurry up, and chose to do that then...


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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:22:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

just to clear things up...all the rights this slave has AS MASTER'S SLAVE are given to her by Master....and can be revoked by Him as well.


That sounds like "privilege", not "rights".

Rights are irrevocable. Privileges can be revoked.



On what planet, Bob?  Even in your own country...a liberal mecca if there ever was one...rights can be revoked by the courts depending on your actions.  Assault a little old lady on the street, get caught, go to court and have your "right" to live free revoked by the magistrate.

It has been argued by many scholars that the only rights we have are those granted to us by the government of the country we are living in.  One argument against the "inalienable" rights granted in our own constitution is that the phrase "We hold these truths to be self-evident...." which then leads into a statement about what "the Creator" has granted to be merely a more eloquent example of "because WE say so".

Someone noted on here that they have the right to be happy....in all honesty, show me the law or the theological doctrine that states that.  We BELIEVE we have the right to be happy but there is no law granting that right.  If there were, than that makes someone responsible for breaking the law when it comes to homeless people...as an example...because they surely are not happy.


I suppose *rights* are determined by what authority you live under and who's governing them. We can assume all the rights we like, but if no-one recognises them they would be pretty meaningless, except to ourselves.

Being *happy* simply isn't a right, it might be a right we decide we have, but if no-one assumes the duty of providing or is governing it, then that's all it is.

agirl



Just one of the many things to check before selecting a partner: do you both recognize the same rights?

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When all is said and done, what will you regret?

That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

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RE: I have the Right!!! - 10/5/2007 12:24:20 PM   
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Oh my no...please don't be sorry or anything....its just when i saw that staring back at me in print I went "Holy shit!  It was like a light bulb went on...and I KNEW that is what the "fear" I have in me is from....NOT that Master will "do" anything really...but that "something" will happen. You know...like waiting for the other shoe to fall. I need to figure this out, because I WILL NOT live the rest of my life in fear...I just won't. I CAN'T.


breath as one, (GREAT reflection of the concept by the way!)
The key is not to live the rest of your life in fear. The key it to LIVE! Experience all you can together. The goal is not to let these feeling be a barrier to fun and enjoyment you share but a foundation for fun and enjoyment experienced together.

Too often people compromise time with people doing things they enjoy with doing things they "have to". It should be the other way around. The conscience effort should be in doing those things together. It speaks to many of our "rules" people don't understand or smirk at. The "no master - but Master" rule for instance. Next Monday, I'm on the road on business for three days in Sacramento; beth will be with me. We just came back from 4 days at Folsom. If beth had an outside job it would be difficult, if not impossible, for her to accompany me. Could we live "better" if she was bringing more money into the household? NO. Not by our definition, because there is no "living", and no "better" being apart. 

Coming back from this year's Folsom where we learned an acquaintance who we saw and talked to for the past three years died, we were reminded of the fragile nature of life. Our most recent journal post reflects our feelings, summarized by "Suck the bone from the marrow of life!" The quote is a reference to the movie, "Dead Poets Society"; the more know quote, "Carpe Diem!" also serves.  

Obviously there are no teeth in the "you must die first" rule for beth. The reality is it is an illustration of my weakness and cowardliness while as the same time showing my confident belief in beth's strength. Of course she denies that strength as she would argue against my weakness. It's a purely theoretical and unenforceable Master's privilege "rule". Funny - until the superficiality of the words are digested within the context of a relationship.

Edited to add paragraph 2.

< Message edited by Mercnbeth -- 10/5/2007 12:41:39 PM >

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