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Bobkgin -> Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 5:30:08 PM)
"He stands before the raging spectators, a God in their midst. Machismo and testosterone strewn about him like a train wreck. "He roars, like a beast, a lion challenging one and all to defy his will and step into the arena. "A man takes up the challenge. Smaller, lighter of frame and build. Quiet, alert ... focused. "One bellows as a bull from Hell. The other cocks an eyebrow." My apologies if my use of archetypes offends you. I am seriously curious when it comes to machismo, and why some women find it appealing while others find it repulsive. My parents taught me ethics that would preclude machismo, and I cannot say I miss what I've never had nor truly understood. But every BDSM forum I've visited includes ample displays of machismo as well as a bevy of women who find it appealing. And then there are the men and women who are not in any way impressed by it. Thus I am starting this thread for the purpose of discussing machismo as it relates to BDSM.

TNstepsout -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 5:47:39 PM)
Machismo is a self confident, self assured, poised man is sexy. Machismo is an arrogant, self absorbed, pompous man is disgusting. So, I guess it's not the suit, but the man who wears it.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 5:58:15 PM)
Id agree with TN. It is how a man carrys himself that impresses me. There are some men that can absolutely ooze machismo and yet not shove it down our throats. If they are self possessed, sexy in that they are not trying to be and confident in that it is who they are and not what they are trying to prove they are... thats hot. Those who think that putting on machismo, acting the part to impress, and not actually BEING as self confident and together as they act... is just repulsive. It is one thing to be a real man, and quite another to just try and act like one to impress the ladies. DV

mistoferin -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:02:07 PM)
I find that generally, the majority of the posturing and grandstanding is done by those who are insecure. Those who actually have "it" don't have to broadcast it.

KnightofMists -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:06:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin I find that generally, the majority of the posturing and grandstanding is done by those who are insecure. Those who actually have "it" don't have to broadcast it. hide's it*

mistoferin -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:08:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin I find that generally, the majority of the posturing and grandstanding is done by those who are insecure. Those who actually have "it" don't have to broadcast it. hide's it* Well, you can't really do that either.....cause those that actually have it....ooze it.

camille65 -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:18:34 PM)
Oooooooooooooooze.I like that word.Ooooooooooozzzzzzzzeeee. Bob why do you say that ethics preclude machismo? I don't understand what you mean.

BitaTruble -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:37:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNstepsout Machismo is a self confident, self assured, poised man is sexy. Machismo is an arrogant, self absorbed, pompous man is disgusting. So, I guess it's not the suit, but the man who wears it. I love the way you worded this and I agree 100%. I can't think of a single male dominant who posts to these forums who hasn't, at one time or another, exhibited some form of machismo. Sometimes it's the former, sometimes it's the latter, but to my recollection, without exception, it has been present. Celeste

KnightofMists -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:38:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin Well, you can't really do that either.....cause those that actually have it....ooze it. oh I like that.... next time a girl calls me "Slimy"... I will respond with... "NO baby... I am just ooooooooozzzzzzzzingggggg it"

Bobkgin -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:49:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 Bob why do you say that ethics preclude machismo? I don't understand what you mean. Machismo, as it existed in the world I grew up in, was about men being superior to women. It was about the presumption that it was the male perogative to take what he wanted from women. It was also considered vulgar and rude. It might help to put it into context to know these discussions were being held in the first half of the 1970s, a time when liberalism and egalitarianism were immensely popular, at least in middle-class suburban Toronto.

Aileen68 -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:55:38 PM)
I just absolutely love manly men and testosterone. Give me machismo and tattoos and I'm all yours. To me it's confidence and a dominant quality. Edited to add...whether you like that kind of personality or not is all just a matter of preference.

Redoubt -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:56:04 PM)
At the risk of sounding trite... I'd have to say... "Different strokes for different folks". Just as slutty and obvious (and I mean that in a good way) works for some guys, demure and angelic works for others... Neither are "bad" - just in the same way that ball gags excite some to pinnacles of orgasmic bliss and outright repel others... I know you're looking for discussion Bob... but, honestly, don't think its much more than that.

Aileen68 -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 6:57:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Machismo, as it existed in the world I grew up in, was about men being superior to women. It was about the presumption that it was the male perogative to take what he wanted from women. It was also considered vulgar and rude. You've just descibed a lot of female fantasies and ways of life here on this message board.

xolarkinxo -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 7:11:01 PM)
*Machismo is by definition an exaggerated sense of masculinity. I'd take that over a man displaying effeminate behavior any day.*

Bobkgin -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 7:23:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Machismo, as it existed in the world I grew up in, was about men being superior to women. It was about the presumption that it was the male perogative to take what he wanted from women. It was also considered vulgar and rude. You've just descibed a lot of female fantasies and ways of life here on this message board. I'm aware of that. What I do not have is an understanding of why this is so.

Bobkgin -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 7:28:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Redoubt At the risk of sounding trite... I'd have to say... "Different strokes for different folks". Just as slutty and obvious (and I mean that in a good way) works for some guys, demure and angelic works for others... Neither are "bad" - just in the same way that ball gags excite some to pinnacles of orgasmic bliss and outright repel others... I know you're looking for discussion Bob... but, honestly, don't think its much more than that. Thank you, Redoubt. I'm sure at some level this is true. We choose what we choose because we like it. I'm hoping to get to the reasons why we like it, or not, as the case may be. Questions that start with "why" are amongst the most educational, and the most enjoyable for me personally. This is one of those kinds of discussions (or at least, so I hope).

catize -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 7:30:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Machismo, as it existed in the world I grew up in, was about men being superior to women. It was about the presumption that it was the male perogative to take what he wanted from women. It was also considered vulgar and rude. You've just descibed a lot of female fantasies and ways of life here on this message board. I'm aware of that. What I do not have is an understanding of why this is so. Machismo: an exaggerated sense or display of masculinity, emphasizing characteristics that are conventionally regarded as male; usually physical strength and courage, aggressiveness, and lack of emotional response. ‘nuff said?

Bobkgin -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 7:33:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Machismo, as it existed in the world I grew up in, was about men being superior to women. It was about the presumption that it was the male perogative to take what he wanted from women. It was also considered vulgar and rude. You've just descibed a lot of female fantasies and ways of life here on this message board. I'm aware of that. What I do not have is an understanding of why this is so. Machismo: an exaggerated sense or display of masculinity, emphasizing characteristics that are conventionally regarded as male; usually physical strength and courage, aggressiveness, and lack of emotional response. ‘nuff said? I wish [;)] It tells me "what", but not "why".

Aileen68 -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 7:36:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Machismo, as it existed in the world I grew up in, was about men being superior to women. It was about the presumption that it was the male perogative to take what he wanted from women. It was also considered vulgar and rude. You've just descibed a lot of female fantasies and ways of life here on this message board. I'm aware of that. What I do not have is an understanding of why this is so. I have no clue why certain things attract me and certain things don't. I really don't. I can say that my preferences in things are pretty consistent throughout my life. I tend to think that most people's are.

MistressDolly -> RE: Machismo and BDSM (10/8/2007 7:36:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin "He stands before the raging spectators, a God in their midst. Machismo and testosterone strewn about him like a train wreck. "He roars, like a beast, a lion challenging one and all to defy his will and step into the arena. "A man takes up the challenge. Smaller, lighter of frame and build. Quiet, alert ... focused. "One bellows as a bull from Hell. The other cocks an eyebrow." Those are fabulous qualities from a male :) Especially when utilized for the benefit of a Woman. ;)

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