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Alumbrado -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 9:45:28 AM)

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And you can't seem to grasp the concept that not all BDSM events have anything to do with sex,


And oddly enough, a sure cure for that malady would be actual experience in the matter. [:D]



AquaticSub -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 9:46:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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And you can't seem to grasp the concept that not all BDSM events have anything to do with sex,


And oddly enough, a sure cure for that malady would be actual experience in the matter. [:D]


Or do what Bob himself advocates and learn from the people on the Internet who have actual experience with BDSM events.



Alumbrado -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 9:48:09 AM)

Or, become your own expert, like the Original Masters....[sm=biggrin.gif]



Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 9:48:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout
Bob, I have to say I'm disappointed that you would start an entire thread to "call out" another poster. We have only your interpretation.
This is unbecoming behavior.

I've already provided a link to the thread in the OP, TN.
But this will, perhaps, be clearer:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1334729/mpage_15/key_/tm.htm

Post #294
As for discussion, there is plenty of room for discussion on this topic.


Here is the referenced post, quoted by link because the words within it do not support the accusation of  'One True Way' ism.
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MadRabbit: 20 years of online experience huh? Hmm...not counting the last ten..so I assume your Internet exploits began 30 years ago.

You have been participating in Internet boards since 1977? That strikes me as a bit of an odd date for participating in the Internet.
Regardless, such amazing credentials...

You feel qualified to lecture and tell people about what is going on out there in the Scene based on all your years of exposure online? Perhaps teach someone about using a whip because you role-played using one for 20 years in an Internet chat-room?

Perhaps I should teach about surgery after reading a book on it. That explains a lot as to the inaccurate information you have tried to teach here.

I look forward to your future posts of false authority, deception, and ignorance. More fun for me. I can assure you the public scene is a lot different then the Internet, Bob. I hope day you have some contact with it so you may actually know what you are talking about at some point.


"Different" isn't within the definition of "better" let alone OTW. If there is creeping paranoia regarding the challenging of alleged experience that's another matter. One handed web surfing IS experience. Neither MR, or anyone else represent that hands on another is any better or worse than hands on yourself but I be on the side expressing the opinion that the feeling with another is much more enjoyable. If you can learn tactile sensation and measure response through on-line interaction good for you. How you learn is an individual issue. Opposing views are welcomed and respected.

Whether people attend social events has no impact on my respect for them, what they do, or how they live their lives. The hypocrisy of a position that speaks of inclusion but does not account for conflicting opinions or views is one I find reprehensible. If an argument provided by either side is so diametrically opposed to mine, its worthy of consideration, and perhaps an adamant response; but I do not find it distracting to my journey. If less people attended dungeons it would only mean that there would be more space for me to play on the occasions when I do attend.

There is too much contradiction to point out any one aspect in particular. Perhaps we are witnessing a lifestyle "philosophy" being written on the fly in an effort to cast the widest possible net to at least catch one, or in some cases two, naive fishes. Either that or we all are guilty of participating in a 3 month cyber scene with the internet version of 'Femcar'.  



IrishMist -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 9:52:16 AM)

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Furthermore, I think home-spun bdsm is far more likely to occur within committed relationships.

The public scene is just that: public.

are you insinuating that those who play in public are NOT in committed relationships? Inquiring minds want to know

[:D]



Bobkgin -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 9:57:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
Perhaps advocates of public scenes just don't understand not everyone shares their taste for voyeurism and exhibitionism.


And you can't seem to grasp the concept that not all BDSM events have anything to do with sex, meaning they have nothing to do with voyeurism and exhibitionism.


voyeur: one who habitually seeks sexual stimulation by visual means.

exhibitionism: a perversion marked by a tendency to indecent exposure.

Sex is not required.

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If anything, I have found that even the events designed to be play parties are lacking in people playing because they would just rather sit around and talk.


Thank you for your contribution.



Bobkgin -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:02:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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Furthermore, I think home-spun bdsm is far more likely to occur within committed relationships.

The public scene is just that: public.

are you insinuating that those who play in public are NOT in committed relationships? Inquiring minds want to know

[:D]


I have often seen newbies given the advice to attend the public scene as a way of meeting new people and new partners.

So I suspect there is a greater chance that some of those attending a public scene will be unattached than occurs in home-spun bdsm.



Alumbrado -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:02:30 AM)

So, 'Bo', exactly how long have you been afraid of perverts? [sm=whoa.gif]



mistoferin -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:04:41 AM)

Bob, did you ever stop and think that a LOT of BDSM events and get togethers have nothing to do with sex, exhibitionism or voyeurism. That they are much like the discussions you have here....only in person. That no one takes off their clothing, fondles, beats or plays with anyone? They are just gatherings of like minded people bouncing ideas off each other, sharing experiences or tips with each other?



Bobkgin -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:07:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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And you can't seem to grasp the concept that not all BDSM events have anything to do with sex,


And oddly enough, a sure cure for that malady would be actual experience in the matter. [:D]


And now we get to "One True Wayism".

'our way is better. you don't know because you've never tried it.'

Isn't this what the fundamentalists tell gays: you're sick if you don't do it our way?

Thanks Al. That's one more saying public scening is the "One True Way" for all of us.




IrishMist -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:07:49 AM)

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I have often seen newbies given the advice to attend the public scene as a way of meeting new people and new partners.

So I suspect there is a greater chance that some of those attending a public scene will be unattached than occurs in home-spun bdsm.

You did not answer the question bobbypin

a simple YES or NO will suffice. It's really not that hard to do you know.



mistoferin -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:09:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

And you can't seem to grasp the concept that not all BDSM events have anything to do with sex,


And oddly enough, a sure cure for that malady would be actual experience in the matter. [:D]


And now we get to "One True Wayism".

'our way is better. you don't know because you've never tried it.'

Isn't this what the fundamentalists tell gays: you're sick if you don't do it our way?

Thanks Al. That's one more saying public scening is the "One True Way" for all of us.




Wow, when you do find a sub (which will be difficult if she knows how to read) I certainly hope that she comes with her own pick axe and crow bar so that she at least has a fair shot at prying open your mind.



Bobkgin -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:14:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Bob, did you ever stop and think that a LOT of BDSM events and get togethers have nothing to do with sex, exhibitionism or voyeurism. That they are much like the discussions you have here....only in person. That no one takes off their clothing, fondles, beats or plays with anyone? They are just gatherings of like minded people bouncing ideas off each other, sharing experiences or tips with each other?


That would take all the steam out of Rabbit's position as quoted in the OP.

But it has been his position that the public scene provides lessons in r/l bdsm and anyone who does not attend is clue-less. At least he has when speaking to me about it.

I make no claims beyond the one public event in Toronto I attended: no sex but plenty of nudity and bdsm. It was open to the public, there were perhaps 250 spectators (no ID required for admission, just a cover charge) and perhaps ten couples on display.

Neither my wife nor I ever wanted to return.



Alumbrado -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:14:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

And you can't seem to grasp the concept that not all BDSM events have anything to do with sex,


And oddly enough, a sure cure for that malady would be actual experience in the matter. [:D]


And now we get to "One True Wayism".

'our way is better. you don't know because you've never tried it.'

Isn't this what the fundamentalists tell gays: you're sick if you don't do it our way?

Thanks Al. That's one more saying public scening is the "One True Way" for all of us.




LOL!  Project much?


Anyone outside of KingBob Land find anything resembling 'OTW' in my expressed desire to learn from a variety of sources?



IrishMist -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:16:22 AM)

Actually Alumbrado

you said pretty much what MadRabbit said... therefore... according the the laws of the bobbypin... it's one true wayism

personally, I'll take the OTW over his way any day



Archer -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:16:51 AM)

The idea that what amounts to a private study coreespondence course in BDSM (Home Spun) can teach just the same as attending classes given by experts. Is like comparing those learn at home schools that advertise on late night TV can teach you as much about a subject as an apprenticship under an experienced Master in that field.

Silly idea at best.

Nothing beats face to face learning for speed and effectiveness of learning. Can you reinvent the wheel every time within each relationship? Sure but why?????
If there are experts available to teach to the skills then why start over from scratch?

The "Public Scene" is far more about meeting to exchange ideas, socialize, learn new things and network than to be exhibitionistic for most of the people I know. Kinda like these forums but face to face where one can read all the non verbal things that make up something like 80% of communication.

In essance I guess th chice would amount to "Would you rather read the book or attend the class and be able to interact with the author?"



Bobkgin -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:26:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Archer

The idea that what amounts to a private study coreespondence course in BDSM (Home Spun) can teach just the same as attending classes given by experts. Is like comparing those learn at home schools that advertise on late night TV can teach you as much about a subject as an apprenticship under an experienced Master in that field.

Silly idea at best.

Nothing beats face to face learning for speed and effectiveness of learning. Can you reinvent the wheel every time within each relationship? Sure but why?????
If there are experts available to teach to the skills then why start over from scratch?

The "Public Scene" is far more about meeting to exchange ideas, socialize, learn new things and network than to be exhibitionistic for most of the people I know. Kinda like these forums but face to face where one can read all the non verbal things that make up something like 80% of communication.

In essance I guess th chice would amount to "Would you rather read the book or attend the class and be able to interact with the author?"


Thank you, Archer. Another One True Wayer comes out in favour of the public scene.

And since you mention "experts", I'll ask you what I asked Beverley (who has yet to answer):

..., how do you think the "experts" learned their skills? From "experts" who came before them?

And what of those older "experts", how did they learn? From "experts" who came before them?

How far back does this unbroken lineage go? And how did the first of the "experts" learn when there were no experts before him/her?




Archer -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:28:12 AM)

OMFG you mkean in that one experience you know everything there is to know about the public scene??????
What an idiotic possition to take. Basicly you got hammered here on matters of Experience, and above that Integrity.
You have been found lacking and failed the very first test of basic debate When you find yourself in a hole quit digging.

You have misrepresented Rabbits words to the point I consider it a bald faced lie.



Alumbrado -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:29:44 AM)

 Original Masters don't lie, they just make it up from 'home-spun'.[:D]



Archer -> RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? (10/12/2007 10:31:09 AM)

Ah And now you do it to me as well. CAN you simply read.

Did I say it couldn't be done the other way? No I did not.
You have been found lacking in character again



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