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Termyn8or -> RE: Over population (10/16/2007 12:14:00 PM)
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Indeed what did happen to ZPG ? Touted as a needed solution back when there were about 100,000,000 fewer people in this country it seemed like a rational approach.
And it was. Now for some reason it has been abandoned, why ? I think I know why, and it ain't pretty. As always, follow the money. It boils down to this, big money sees each of us as a potential source of revenue.
So big money will countinue to build mansions on sprawling estates, as they just stick the rest of us in little boxes, caring not one iota for our quality of life.
And it seems the more well off a family is, the less kids they have. I don't mean rich, but at least having someone with a good job. At least not being on any public assistance. At least holding their own. These are the responsible people that should have kids.
I know I mentioned that we were almost dirt poor when i was a kid. But when my sister and I were concieved it was before the divorce, things were going well. Of course the divorce wrecked pretty much everything, but we still turned out alright. (relatively)
I have always made decent money, except when I was a teenager. But I declined to have kids, because I am well aware that there is more to it than just money. I could easily afford two or three if I quit partying and spending money like a drunken sailor. But there is alot of time involved. There is certain amount of time that both Parents must spend with the kids interacting with them, teaching them the proper social skills. That is what I lacked. Yes there was food on the table and books on the shelf, but I was a little asshole for quite some time.
Ironically if the human lifespan were longer it might help, with certain other qualifications. People do not mature mentally fast enough, so if puberty occurred at say age 40, people would make better decisions. The problem now is that kids are having kids. And too many of them. You need quality time with each and every one of them. Lots of it. Your influence must supercede peer and other societal influences.
And no matter how hard you try, your daughter could still show up pregnant at thirteen. In today's day and age, that is a bad thing. I didn't say that the people involved are bad, but they certainly made a mistake. Thirteen is too young. In the past when people had a farm and worked the land, perhaps thirteen was not too young, but it is now.
Now to mention one more thing, the media. Of course sex is everywhere, it sells. Sometimes it is subtle or even subliminal, but it is there. But the point is, with the morass of advertising today, what portion of it has to do with contraception ? Almost none.
I think the ZPG people should dust themselves off and start a new campign. I think they should gather up every picture they can find of babies found in dumpsters and say "This could be your child, in fact, what if it was you ? Still don't like condoms ?". The next ad could come from the projects, put a few families together in one apartment. Have a card game going on with people doing drugs and drinking. Show someone throwing up or something. Have one kid start messing around with one of the player's money and knock some of it on the floor. This one has to be a little older IMO to handle doing the scene, but have someone get on the kid's case about it. Then have the cops show u[p and bust everyone. Include the trip down to CPS. The say "Is that the life you want for your kids ? ".
Harsh ? Yes. The conditions that will occur if something is not done ? Harsher. And as put to me by a friend years ago "The wrong people are reproducing" . People run the gamut from those who literally put their daughters in chastity belts, to those who are happy to be Grandparents before they are thirty. And as nasty as it may sound, the difference is the source of the money. When you can pop out more kids and get a bigger welfare check, what is to stop you ? If I go to one of my bosses and tell him I need a raise because I have kids now I know the response I'll get. "For Pete's sake you are almost making as much as me now !". So if I have one or two, that would be where it has to stop. I would have to work more, and that would take away from that quality time.
Responsibility is the key word. Y^es I have shirked mine, I have not contributed to the gene pool, nor any would be productive members of society, perhaps leader who might find some solutions to the problems that plague humanity. But if I don't have the time to do that correctly, it would be irresponsible for me just to have a bunch of kids, and scam the government to support them whiole I dealt drugs or something for my side money.
I've known people who deliberately got divorced and put their olady on welfare to get medical care for the kids. That is something I wouldn't be proud of, but we talked about it and when I found out the reason, well, I just can't argue. It's either that or we can't afford good food, to fix the car, to make the house payment. That is another influence caused by big money.
My opinions are very strong on this subject and I am pretty much holding back, but there is one thing that will not leave my thoughts. Imagine if 90% of the people in this country, world eve, just left. Or dropped dead, whichever. That means we would have 30,000,000 in the US instead of ten times that many. Think what life would be like.
Look at most of the strife in the world. In this society people get on each others' nerves because they live too damn close together. And in the whole world in general, most wars and other skirmishes of the sort are fought either for territory or the natural resources thereon. It is only logical.
The ZPG people are needed now more than ever. I could look this up, but the population of the US was 30,000,000 in what year ? Now consider this, it had decadrupled in that time (I may have invented a word here, so what) And it is clear that this will lead to the eventual demise of the human race if the current trend continues. You see it is exponential. How many decades will it take for the world population to double this time, how many years next time, the time after that. Do we eventually get down to months at some point ?
Anyone should be able to see that this is the road to ruin.
T
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