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mistoferin -> RE: No limits - and what it really means (10/18/2007 9:40:43 PM)
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ORIGINAL: PapiNsweet
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy
Don't we all have the right to determine what is right for our own life and our own happiness and fulfillment? Why can't someone live this way? Why shouldn't they?
Yes. They can....and they should if that is what they so desire. Provided of course....and I will say it again and again regardless of those who want to continue to ignore it or treat it like it has absolutely no bearing....because it DOES....that the involved parties are CAPABLE of making that choice and consenting from a MENTALLY COMPETENT perspective that would make that consent valid. When someone is LEGALLY declared MENTALLY INCOMPETENT they can NOT give VALID consent.
yes, you've said this over and over again, and it amazes me that you make these statements with such conviction and such faith in the law, as if it is this all-knowing, all-mighty, perfect and just entity that is the ultimate word in judging what is good or bad, right or wrong. everyday our legal and mental health system flocks up countless lives, many times their judgements have proven to be unsound, illogical, biased, ignorant. if you personally wish to believe that myself and anyone else who has ever been legally declared mentally incompetent incapable of ever giving valid consent, that is your perogative to do so, but i would hope that most would use their minds, heart and good sense.
-prop
prop, once again, I didn't mention you specifically and I have explained to you numerous times that my issue is not with you personally....but with anyone who is in a situation like yours. If someone has psychiatric problems, especially if it is of the magnitude of hospitalizations and declared incompetence.....they can NOT give VALID consent. PERIOD.
I do have some degree of faith in the system, because I KNOW just exactly how complicated it is to have someone declared legally incompetent....and it is no small process. You just so happen to be the only example on these boards, at least to the extreme of having legal incompetence declared. But there are others who certainly fall under the category that makes valid consent questionable. Annabelle, as another example, stated that both her psychiatrist and her therapist have concerns over her. Well, the fact that she is under the care of a psychiatrist is certainly cause for pause when attempting to evaluate whether or not a person is capable of giving valid consent, at least in my book. Now that may have something to do with the fact that I worked for many years in the mental health field and I have a pretty damn good understanding of how it all works....and needing to be under the care of a psychiatrist is a far different thing than talking out a few problems with a counselor. It generally indicates that there is something of a serious nature going on that would require such care.
As for your own situation, I will again point out that I am not making this shit up and it is YOUR words and YOUR words alone that I am left with to form an opinion one way or another. YOU have stated that you were involuntarily committed. YOU have also stated that that hospitalization was not an isolated event. YOU have stated that your Master used that situation to his advantage to make his ownership of you complete, permanent and irreversible. YOU have stated that the ONLY reason you were let out of the hospital is because he agreed to become completely responsible for you. YOU have stated that he has ABUSED (your word, not mine) you in many ways. YOU have stated that he takes out his anger physically upon your person, even when that anger has nothing to do with you. YOU have stated that he frequently has other men ABUSE you and RAPE you. YOU have stated that you have been SUICIDAL as a result of your relationship with him. YOU have stated that you KNOW that he COULD end up killing you. YOU have stated that he has ordered you to NEVER resist anyone....even if a stranger was to attack you on the street. YOU have stated that the decision to declare you incompetent has never been reversed....and you have further, by YOUR OWN ADMISSION, stated that you are indeed still incompetent and would be, in the event that your Master for whatever reason was no longer in your life....be INCAPABLE of caring for your own needs.
These are all of YOUR words...not mine prop. And you KNOW the reaction that your words bring, not just from me, but from a whole bunch of other people. And yet every single time one of these threads pops up, you are right here espousing that being "no limits" is simply part of slavery. You talk in one sentence of how he could likely kill you and when people react to such extreme statements you come back and talk about him like he is some grand savior who can practically walk on water and you can't understand how anyone could think badly of him.
Well I have to tell you prop, in the ways that you have described him and the things that he does to you, I don't know how your story hasn't attracted the attentions and scrutiny of law enforcement. Many people, if they had knowledge of a loved one in such a situation, would be likely to have him prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Personally? If I were to find out that someone was abusing a loved one of mine to the proportions that you claim this man is abusing you....I would have that worthless mother fucker strung up by his balls and skinned alive....and not lose one fucking moment's sleep over it.
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