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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 8:06:33 PM   
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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 8:10:16 PM   
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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 8:19:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey - i LIVE in a foreign country and would NEVER do that (and i love humiliation).  Not only do different standards apply in different places, but so do people's responses.  You don't want to know what other people might see you as if you do this (and think THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO DO TO YOU). 

You are traveling to a foreign country for WHOM?   No self-respecting Dom would expect you to kneel in public just as you get off the plane.  You are already vulnerable - jet lag, language barriers, unfamiliar territory.  You would be protected from this shit by a good Dom!  That's THEIR JOB - to protect you!!!!  This guy is either 1. a wanker boy who doesn't REALLY know how to top and you're his practice, 2. a wannabe, 3. DANGEROUS.       i'd go with DANGEROUS just to be on the safe side.

Regardless, even if he's just some guy jerking off, being in a foreign country in a submissive state of mind is DANGEROUS.  There are lots of other people who could hurt you, you could get lost, hell even figuring out how to call the police (if they are safe!) can be a frightening and difficult experience.

I've lived around the world and would be happy to chat with you offline about this if you want.   
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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 8:24:55 PM   
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Hey - i LIVE in a foreign country and would NEVER do that (and i love humiliation).  Not only do different standards apply in different places, but so do people's responses.  You don't want to know what other people might see you as if you do this (and think THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO DO TO YOU). 

You are traveling to a foreign country for WHOM?   No self-respecting Dom would expect you to kneel in public just as you get off the plane.  You are already vulnerable - jet lag, language barriers, unfamiliar territory.  You would be protected from this shit by a good Dom!  That's THEIR JOB - to protect you!!!!  This guy is either 1. a wanker boy who doesn't REALLY know how to top and you're his practice, 2. a wannabe, 3. DANGEROUS.       i'd go with DANGEROUS just to be on the safe side.

Regardless, even if he's just some guy jerking off, being in a foreign country in a submissive state of mind is DANGEROUS.  There are lots of other people who could hurt you, you could get lost, hell even figuring out how to call the police (if they are safe!) can be a frightening and difficult experience.

I've lived around the world and would be happy to chat with you offline about this if you want.   
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We have no idea how long they've talked online, on the phone, on cam or what the depth of their current relationship is.  I agree, it's odd for a first meeting at first blush, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's not a "true Dom". 
I'm trying to figure out a way I could check my "submissive state of mind" at the airport with TWA before I travel so I'm not "in danger".  Being in a submissive state of mind is obviously not dangerous, it's who we are.  Assuming she will act on that with anyone is just silly.

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 8:29:04 PM   
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one of my rules my Master has told me is that everytime i see Him that i am to kneel until told to rise even in public. 



I just had this mental image of looking up and seeing him, just as you are crossing a busy street, and one of those double decker buses........well, the image isn't pretty.


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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 8:33:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fsub4use

and think THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO DO TO YOU


Morons will not be dissuaded by the absence of simple gestures.
Someone always feels like they're entitled to what they want to do.

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No self-respecting Dom would expect you to kneel in public just as you get off the plane.


Will this be on the written test?

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That's THEIR JOB - to protect you!!!!


If you can't, or won't, protect yourself, nobody else will, either.
And this fictive self-respecting Dom of yours would run like hell the other way.

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3. DANGEROUS.


4. None of the above.

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i'd go with DANGEROUS just to be on the safe side.


She's already said she'll contact the embassy, just in case.
Just how much bubble wrap do you think subbies need to be wrapped in?

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being in a foreign country in a submissive state of mind is DANGEROUS.


Yeah. The Italians roast foreigners alive for being in a submissive state of mind.
Of course, the risk of being trampled in the rush for the best cuts is a lot higher, but...

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hell even figuring out how to call the police (if they are safe!)


Dial 112, unless you are in the US or some other oddball country. And I would point out that police around the world tend to understand that foreign nationals aren't good to beat up, lock up or harass. The US is one of the few exceptions to this rule, and that's where she's travelling from, not to. Are people really this scared to be kinky?

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 9:31:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: unsureslave
i'm curious what others think?


I think that would never fly in my life. That would not be acceptable in the dojo, at a reenactment, in front of my family or on my campus. It's not practical and it's not realistic. It also involves the public in my d/s relationship in a way that I have decided not to. I would not submit to a man who did not feel the same way.

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 9:52:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

No self-respecting Dom would expect you to kneel in public just as you get off the plane.

Will this be on the written test?  


No.  but again for those who missed it...   i won't be kneeling at the airport.  but i will be there for almost 2 weeks and i am sure to meet Him in public at some point during the trip, and i am not exactly comfortable kneeling in public especially in another country although i dont think i would be subjecting the public to my kink if i did.  and i may be 'stupid'/brave enough to go but not stupid enough to kneel in a busy street--i'm pretty sure my Master would be most upset with me for that.  i do have some common sense and sometimes i even use it.

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being in a foreign country in a submissive state of mind is DANGEROUS.

Yeah. The Italians roast foreigners alive for being in a submissive state of mind.
Of course, the risk of being trampled in the rush for the best cuts is a lot higher, but...



oh no...   roasting is a hard limit of mine.

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 10:08:12 PM   
Aswad


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Status: offline 		Sounds like you'll be just fine, kneeling or not, unsureslave.

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 10:17:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting that a lot of my prior partners are not self respecting then.  As well that also means that *I* am not a self respecting dominant because I've had my partners kneel in vanilla public next to me at times.

Heck I've even made my partner take shoes on and off of me in a shoe store before and watch as I walked around in them- how horrible of me!!

The balance between what's ok and what's not ok in public is anything BUT clear.  However two adults doing something quiet, private, not interfering with someone else, not TRYING to interfere with someone else, not doing anything even remotely offensive based on cultural standards- I really am not sure where all the backlash is coming from.  I've seen far worse on 15 year old cheerleader type tshirts and business men on cellphones.

My telling my boy to kneel next to me while I sit on a park bench is really something I don't understand as causing a problem in anyone's world.

Oh and my partner has also knelt next to me at family events, and I've knelt in Ireland and the US.

This relationship we are discussing here may have many problems- but I don't think saying she has to kneel in public as being one of them.

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/20/2007 11:42:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I remember when I flew halfway across the country to meet Master.  There were many who gave warnings; only a few who gave encouragement.  But in the end, I had to trust my own judgement before making the final decision.  You don't say how long you two have been talking (or I may have missed it, sorry).
My decision was based on over a year of excellent communication, and reality checks.  We both understood and continue to understand that our respective children come first, and our jobs, standing in the community, etc. are all a consideration.  Master would never do anything to endanger my safety or threaten my professional reputation or position, no matter how evil and sadistic He is :) 
What happened upon my arrival on my first visit was not what many would feel comfortable with, but that is what worked for us. (wonderfully, I might add!) And now here I am, living out here permanently, happy as a slave can be!
I hope you find the right decision that works for you, unsure.   Follow your instincts and I hope they lead you to happiness.

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 12:04:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: unsureslave

one of my rules my Master has told me is that everytime i see Him that i am to kneel until told to rise even in public.

so when you get off the plane and go through customs, you'll be kneeling until he says "rise"?   start investing in some knee pads

in all seriousness, this would be a red flag for me (and i would run like hell too)


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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 12:09:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I really am not sure where all the backlash is coming from.  I've seen far worse on 15 year old cheerleader type tshirts and business men on cellphones.


Must agree with you.  i don't get it, either.  What's the big deal about kneeling in public?  i don't think most people would look twice at that or automatically think, "ooh, kinky people", if they did look.  Go into any big city and see all sorts of behavior that is bizarre, to say the least, and people don't even notice or stop to wonder.
 
Now, flying to another country to meet someone is something i have done, although it was for a vanilla-type of relationship and in a country that was English speaking, with similar customs.  And, i found out real quick, just how alone, isolated and, vulnerable i was in that foreign place.  It took me 5 months to find a way out of there and get back home.  i wish i had told him that i would meet him only if he came to my home turf, instead of me going there.  He turned out to be very different in person, than he had portrayed himself to me, prior to that and i was scared to be there with him.
 
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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 12:42:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

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ORIGINAL: unsureslave

one of my rules my Master has told me is that everytime i see Him that i am to kneel until told to rise even in public.

so when you get off the plane and go through customs, you'll be kneeling until he says "rise"? start investing in some knee pads

in all seriousness, this would be a red flag for me (and i would run like hell too)



Sounds to me like a good way to weed out the girls that are not worth investing some time
and effort in. If a girl can not kneel upon seeing me what in the world will she do when
I ask her to do something hard like deliver a bunch of papers to a client, or wash my car?

This kneeling thing may weed out more non-serious girls than my usual first meeting
instruction of how to dress.

-CB

*edited to insert a missing word, my mind is slightly faster than my fingers!

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 4:18:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, what interesting and negative responses.

To Unsureslave,  I can't comment on your particular situation because there are too many unknowns.  I don't know how long you have known him, or what dynamic is in place between you both, or anything else about your situation.

As for myself, over 3 years ago I went to meet my Master (whom I had not yet met before but whom I already called Master) and was kneeling naked before him when he first saw me (not in public, however).  It was an amazing and powerful event, and I happily belong to him to this day.  And I still kneel before him every time I see him.

As for kneeling in public?  Any time, any place, I will kneel before him.  No one notices, comments, or looks twice.  I massaged his feet in a restaurant once - no one cared.  This wasn't inflicting "kink" on any public person.  It was showing devotion and care to a man I love.  Inflicting "kink" on the public would be if he were flogging me on the street (which he has threatened to do...heh). 

In any case, most often it is the person doing the kneeling who is most uncomfortable with it, until he/she gets used to it. 

I hope he is good for you, and things work well for you.

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 4:47:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		i absolutely see no problem in kneeling in public.  Why would kneeling be considered kink?  There are ways to kneel in a variety of public settings.  my only concern would be the cleanliness of the floor so maybe it would have to be more of a squat than a kneel or maybe on one knee but how would that be weird?  At a restaurant, a good server, puts themselves at eye-level or below by kneeling/ squatting.  Its done all the time.  *shrug* 

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 4:54:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		First, I wouldn't accept someone as a master if I hadn't met him and known him for some time.
Second, I value informed consent and since none of the other people there will have given consent to see you folks get your jollies this way, it's something I do not do.
Third, you're spending your money to go someplace to kneel to someone you've never met? Hope you won't feel taken when he doesn't show. Seriously, you need to plan this as a vacation for you to a place you want to visit. If he meets you for coffee and you enjoy the meet, then that's an additional bonus. But unless you are going to enjoy yourself anyway, that's too much money to risk. Plus you might discover if he shows that he's 3 feet tall and weighs 500 pounds and sounds like Donald Duck. Then what?

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 5:12:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		so why are we presuming she's going to some nice little civilized country to a big city?   i was in a country once where the POLICE decided they could take all my belongings and money before they let me cross the border - and that was after they screamed in my face, pattting their guns and told me that if i didn't they'd take me to jail.... my best friend was threatened with rape... nobody gives a shit in other countries whether you're an American or Brit or whatever... unless they think you should pay for the sins of your government.... The Paris Airport is very different from the one in, say, Bolivia or Saudi Arabia or Turkey. 

Am i gonna add getting on my knees to that shit?

Oh - who said it?  just trust your gut... Really trust your gut... and good luck

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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 6:13:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		this daughtersubmissive does not kneel even in public ...she's not a a slave or sub with slave tendencies.  yes i do think highly of myself and of her knees. 

you may use it to weed out the "non-serious" submissives/slaves - i would have excluded you before the first meeting if you asked me to kneel for you in public or dress how you want me to dress. i don't submit to requests like that before choosing you as dom. if that doesn't make me serious and/or "twue" - whatever. i would merely know that you weren't the one for me.


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RE: kneeling in public - 10/21/2007 6:31:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Second, I value informed consent and since none of the other people there will have given consent to see you folks get your jollies this way, it's something I do not do.


What's next?

Triplicate copies of a neighbourhood consent form for vanilla sex, or worse: kissing in public?

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