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A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" my b... - 10/23/2007 8:02:31 AM   
Zephyr46


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I had my first play session with the Mistress who is considering me as her beta submissive. Things didn't go as we had hoped and I needed to ask if anyone else has had a similar experience.

Forgive me if this is long. I have an annoying propensity for detail.

The scene was at a public gathering of lifestylers that meets for a play party once a month.

This was my first "real" scene (prior things were some cbt and spankings but nothing coming close to this intensity).

Though very experienced, this was my Mistresses first scene with me. We had negotiated rather well, I thought, before the scene and both of us were looking forward to it.

I had eaten well about two hours before the scene and I was taking precautions to keep hydrated as well.

I was placed naked except for my collar on a St. Andrews in the play space's dungeon and blindfolded. Focussing mainly on my bottom, Mistress worked slowly from light to heavier implements. (scratching, pinching, light floggers, leather paddle, wood paddle).  I was enjoying it and seemed to be processing the pain well. (Truth be told, I was enjoying the heck out of the experience.)

Mistress was attentive to my well being and continued to check on it as we progressed and I took comfort in her attentiveness. She told me that she was going to take it up to the next level and I was ok with this.

She then went to a rattan cane focussing primarily on my bottom I received about 10 strokes with the cane which were intense. Then she went to a riding crop. After about 5 strokes with the crop things unexpectedly turned sour. I began to get dizzy and slightly nauseated. I reported these senstations and the scene immediately stopped.

I was taken down from the cross, I put my head between my knees and felt better in a short time.

Mistress and the DM on duty were both attending me. They put a blanket over me then had me sit down.

Symptoms that were noted by others after the dizziness and nausea passed was that I was pale, sweating profusely but cold to the touch, my pulse was taken and surprisingly it was very low (54 beats/min) where it might have been expected that my heart rate would have been in the 90's considering what I had been through up to that point.

The scene did not resume (for good reason) and emotionally I felt as though I had failed Her and that we both were disappointed in this turn of events that surprised both of us. Future scenes are presently out of the question until I can figure out what happened. I feel sad that this will jeopardize my being under consideration with this Mistress.

In order to try to understand possible causes to this episode, I have scheduled an appointment with a cardiologist even though I have never had any heart distress symptoms and a resting EKG done about 14 days prior was normal. At that time the doctor noted that my heart rate was low then too.

Does anyone know if there might be other things that might have caused this reaction? Is this the way my body processes a pain/stress overload, perhaps? If it is, are there methods other people employ to get beyond this barrier?

That night my mind was still saying "Green" but my body called a "red" and I don't know why.
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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/23/2007 8:18:06 AM   
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I've had a similar reaction to what you described during play while I was bound to a whipping post. Mine was a familiar one for me though. I'm hypoglycemic and when my blood sugar bottoms I get that way as I move towards passing out and other symptoms come into play as well and I know I have to sit or lie down RIGHT NOW or I'm going to hit the floor out cold. For that reason, I don't do long scenes on a cross or post as it tends to happen when I'm standing. I'm usually on a spanking bench or spanking horse for the longest part of any scene I bottom for and am standing for singletail work or other short term tortures.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/23/2007 9:05:56 AM   
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My slave has experienced something similar several times to varying degrees.  We've found that it is usually caused by a combination of several different factors:  Having recently eaten a large meal, having her arms raised - especially over her head, high intensity activities, a scene that more intense than what has been the norm, or increasing the intensity of the scene quickly are all factors for her.  The more of these factors that are present, the more severe the symtoms she exhibits and more rapidly as well.  The remedy has been to first have as few of the factors present as possible.  But when it happens, I get her immediately seated or lying down.  She recovers in a matter of minutes and is able and eager to continue.  She has since learned to monitor herself for the first signs of light headedness.  Quite often, lowering her arms or even changing up the activity performed at the first sign of trouble allows her to continue without having to take any break.  She has been experiencing this for many years and has had no medical issues.  My guess as to what is happening is that her body gets overwhelmed and goes into a sort of "shock".  The two factors that I've found most easily prevent the situation are allowing more time after a large or heavy meal for digestion and slower build up of intensity during the scene.  Hope this helps you.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/23/2007 1:20:03 PM   
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What you are describing are clinical signs of shock. A cardiology work up is a good idea. Wether or not you tell the cardiologist of your experience is up to you, but it would help them to know you experienced these symptoms during a period of intense physical and emotional stress. Luckily you were with someone who is responsible and took correct action when required, kudos to her.

Read up on 'Fight or Flight'  it is a series of biochemical and physiological events that the body produces when exposed to a threat, actual or perceived. Although you describe a brady cardia, the response usually increases heart rate, respiratory rate, dilates pupils, stops gut activity and begins breaking down reserves to increase blood sugar availability. All of this is to increase a persons surivival in an extreme situation, ie. it gives you the resources of enough oxygenated blood for muscles to engage in strenuous activity(heart rate, resp rate) increases visual acuity ( pupil dilation) blood sugar is for energy. This enables a person to stop and fight or run like hell to get away. It used to be from tigers and enemies, wayback when we were cave people.. Not sure if this makes sense, it is late and I am tired.

As an aside, I am very interested in bio-chemical events during S&M play, and if anyone has some links I would appreciate them.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/23/2007 3:24:44 PM   
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What you are describing are clinical signs of shock.


Shelly,
BINGO! Don't know if anyone remembers this old story dating back to 1994, but is was a topic for a while in the New York City dungeons I used to frequent.

Remember the case of Michael Fay, of Dayton Ohio who got caught spray painting cars in Singapore? His sentence was a $2,230.00 fine and a "caning". For many in the US it was their first experience with corporal punishment and it led to a discussion of the repercussions.

One was "shock":
quote:

Prisoners often go into shock during caning and the punishment leaves permanent scars on their buttocks. Source: http://www-tech.mit.edu/V114/N11/briefs2.11w.html 


Now in my small circle of friends none of us ever heard of that or had the experience of seeing someone go into shock but it made us aware that is COULD happen, especially in the instance described by the OP of increased intensity. Ten intense strokes with the cane felt for the first time could produce that result.

Nice catch there Shelly D. That was the first reference to that possibility in a long time and point out how aware a Dominant must be with their charge. Come to think of it, I've not heard the possibility previously covered on CM or at any Club Munch or presentation since I've been on the Left Coast. It should be. Shock is difficult to diagnose.  

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/23/2007 6:20:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zephyr46


I had my first play session with the Mistress who is considering me as her beta submissive. Things didn't go as we had hoped and I needed to ask if anyone else has had a similar experience.

Forgive me if this is long. I have an annoying propensity for detail.

The scene was at a public gathering of lifestylers that meets for a play party once a month.

This was my first "real" scene (prior things were some cbt and spankings but nothing coming close to this intensity).

Though very experienced, this was my Mistresses first scene with me. We had negotiated rather well, I thought, before the scene and both of us were looking forward to it.

I had eaten well about two hours before the scene and I was taking precautions to keep hydrated as well.

I was placed naked except for my collar on a St. Andrews in the play space's dungeon and blindfolded. Focussing mainly on my bottom, Mistress worked slowly from light to heavier implements. (scratching, pinching, light floggers, leather paddle, wood paddle).  I was enjoying it and seemed to be processing the pain well. (Truth be told, I was enjoying the heck out of the experience.)

Mistress was attentive to my well being and continued to check on it as we progressed and I took comfort in her attentiveness. She told me that she was going to take it up to the next level and I was ok with this.

She then went to a rattan cane focussing primarily on my bottom I received about 10 strokes with the cane which were intense. Then she went to a riding crop. After about 5 strokes with the crop things unexpectedly turned sour. I began to get dizzy and slightly nauseated. I reported these senstations and the scene immediately stopped.

I was taken down from the cross, I put my head between my knees and felt better in a short time.

Mistress and the DM on duty were both attending me. They put a blanket over me then had me sit down.

Symptoms that were noted by others after the dizziness and nausea passed was that I was pale, sweating profusely but cold to the touch, my pulse was taken and surprisingly it was very low (54 beats/min) where it might have been expected that my heart rate would have been in the 90's considering what I had been through up to that point.

The scene did not resume (for good reason) and emotionally I felt as though I had failed Her and that we both were disappointed in this turn of events that surprised both of us. Future scenes are presently out of the question until I can figure out what happened. I feel sad that this will jeopardize my being under consideration with this Mistress.

In order to try to understand possible causes to this episode, I have scheduled an appointment with a cardiologist even though I have never had any heart distress symptoms and a resting EKG done about 14 days prior was normal. At that time the doctor noted that my heart rate was low then too.

Does anyone know if there might be other things that might have caused this reaction? Is this the way my body processes a pain/stress overload, perhaps? If it is, are there methods other people employ to get beyond this barrier?

That night my mind was still saying "Green" but my body called a "red" and I don't know why.



Your body went into shock. It does happen, and you need to obey the dictates of your body immediately - unless heart attack is appealing to you. You have to understand that your body exists seperately to your mind, and that it must be attended to equally, it has its strengths and capacities, and these can be pushed, and slowly extended, but they must be observed.

Don't worry too much about it - it's clear that the Mistress knew exactly what she was doing, and you were in no danger at all. Take your time, and you will grow.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/23/2007 8:27:16 PM   
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I would be more concerned about the possibility of a heart related problem, than shock. While shock is definitely a fairly common reaction, and your symptoms do sound a lot like that, the low heart rate rather than elevated is what causes red flags for me.

In shock, BP drops, causing pallor, sweating, dizziness, nausea, faintness. The body compensates by constricting blood vessels to raise the BP (cold extremities, faint pulses in extremities), and also by increasing heart rate and respiration in order to push the blood faster through the veins and increase oxygenation, and bring glucose to the cells that are stressed.

Your heart rate was low, despite the other compensation mechanisms your body was attempting. There is a cardiac arrythmia called "heart block" where the electrical signals from the heart's natural pacemaker do not make it to the contracting heart muscle without interference. There are degrees of heart block, from first, second, third, to complete heart block. In complete heart block the heart rate will not rise above 40, despite the needs of the body, and a pacemaker is needed. You definitely need the EKG and probably a stress test as well, before you do any further stressful play. Any weakness, cold sweats, nausea, dizziness, chest or arm discomfort, would signal need for 911, at any time, until your heart has been proven ship shape. Good luck to you in finding the answers to your heatlh questions.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/23/2007 9:01:18 PM   
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Zephyr46,

everyone else has given you sterling advice and i do hope you find out what happened and feel better. as for this incident affecting further consideration; based on what you have written, it appears that your Mistress was concerned about your well being and took the appropriate steps to take care of you. there are so many other ways to serve. don't worry about her rejecting you because of this one incident. talk to her about your fears and most importantly take care of your very precious self!

dream well,
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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/24/2007 2:45:07 AM   
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I want to thank each and everyone who has posted here on this topic.  Often times I see questions from OPs answered with flippant responses and sort of expected the "Doctor, it hurts when I do this.... Well, Don't do this then."  answer.  All the advice here has been wonderful and helpful. BTW An appointment with a cardiologist for a stress test has been made to either verify or refute any heart issues.  Other physical activities (mowing lawn, splitting firewood for the winter, working the video crew for footballl games) have not produced symptoms.

If I didn't have complete trust in my Mistress and her experience, we would not have scened at all. I'm sure it scared her and the people in the play space that night too and we both are stepping back a bit until we can better understand the causes. The ramifications of calling EMS for a potential heart attack would have been far reaching for the group and even if I get a clean bill of health from the cardiologist it is doubtful that I will be able to have another session there again.

As her beta submissive I think my role was to fill in a gap that the dynamics between her and her Alpha submissive had... active sceneing in play space venues was one such activity. I don't see much success in this happening now.  If heart problems are there, bye bye submissive.  If this is simply my body's way of dealing with the stress/pain and I am nowhere near the level she had expected me to receive then it is bye bye submissive anyhow.  Her Alpha fills all her other needs/wants and I certainly would not wish to compete with him for her attention. 

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/24/2007 3:32:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zephyr46

I want to thank each and everyone who has posted here on this topic.  Often times I see questions from OPs answered with flippant responses and sort of expected the "Doctor, it hurts when I do this.... Well, Don't do this then."  answer.  All the advice here has been wonderful and helpful. BTW An appointment with a cardiologist for a stress test has been made to either verify or refute any heart issues.  Other physical activities (mowing lawn, splitting firewood for the winter, working the video crew for footballl games) have not produced symptoms.

If I didn't have complete trust in my Mistress and her experience, we would not have scened at all. I'm sure it scared her and the people in the play space that night too and we both are stepping back a bit until we can better understand the causes. The ramifications of calling EMS for a potential heart attack would have been far reaching for the group and even if I get a clean bill of health from the cardiologist it is doubtful that I will be able to have another session there again.

As her beta submissive I think my role was to fill in a gap that the dynamics between her and her Alpha submissive had... active sceneing in play space venues was one such activity. I don't see much success in this happening now.  If heart problems are there, bye bye submissive.  If this is simply my body's way of dealing with the stress/pain and I am nowhere near the level she had expected me to receive then it is bye bye submissive anyhow.  Her Alpha fills all her other needs/wants and I certainly would not wish to compete with him for her attention. 


With all respect , Zephyr, that is for her to decide, and if she chooses to take you as a project and to extend and build your physical limits as well as your mental and emotional ones, then that is her choice. I sense your sadness, and I would encourage you not to give in to it - the future is not known until it is visited. Could be a clean bill of health, or could be that your heart is in good enough shape that you'll be back on the ol' cross before you know it. Allow her to judge what is best for both of you, and try not to second guess her or pull yourself down worrying about things that may never transpire.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/24/2007 6:18:24 AM   
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Ouch... tough break doing your first intense scene in a public venue and having it go bad like that 

While i think that you're definitely doing the responsible thing in visiting a cardiologist and having a stress test done, one other thing i would recommend doing some research on (and discussing with your doctor) is vasovagal response (may also see it as vaso-vagal syncope).

The reason i bring this up is that i once had an identical reaction to yours under completely different circumstances- having a pending medical procedure explained to me- and when i described the sensations i was experiencing to the doctor that was his immediate diagnosis. As in your situation, it was something i'd never experienced before, and came completely out of the blue (although i am somewhat phobic of medical procedures, i had done my own research and had already known everything being discussed).

Hopefully, as responsible and experienced as your Mistress sounds, She will not not simply write you off. i certainly wouldn't consider this a "failure" on either of your parts... The things we do can push the limits of the body and mind in unaccustomed ways, and outside of the fantasy novels, there's always a learning curve involved.

Best wishes for a clean bill of health

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/24/2007 6:28:14 AM   
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First of all this was well written and a good experience for you. 
There are a couple of things I have learned in my public scenes especially with the cross.
No matter what level we are on, sometimes the endorphins can really become alive and not only that there is energy being generated from all of the action.
Never having being bound like that in public caused fear.  Fear can cause panic attacks.  It is possible you could have had a panic attack.
I would have if someone tied me on the cross and used a cane.   I stay away from canes as much as possible. That crop is intense as well.
I think that is probably what happened to you there.  
Don't worry, you did very well for your first time in public.  Public scening is very different from private.

Regards and best of luck to you.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/24/2007 4:59:58 PM   
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Hi Pet Dave,

<quoting>The reason i bring this up is that i once had an identical reaction to yours under completely different circumstances- having a pending medical procedure explained to me- and when i described the sensations i was experiencing to the doctor that was his immediate diagnosis. As in your situation, it was something i'd never experienced before, and came completely out of the blue (although i am somewhat phobic of medical procedures, i had done my own research and had already known everything being discussed). <end quote>

It is interesting to me that you mentioned this. I have been going back over my personal history and can recall three other times in my life when I felt the way I did during the scene. One involved a heavy blow to the sternum but the other two were when chatty doctors wanted to give me an adventure in anatomy as they described the procedures they were doing to my locally anesthetized body. The first doctor, a plastic surgeon was pointing out tendons and blood vessels on my hand that was being treated for third degree burns. The second was telling me how he was fishing the vasdeferens from the incision he had made in my scrotum when I had my vasectomy.

Neither of the last two were painful to me but the descriptions were what "squicked" me.

Hopefully this was the same thing as what my research says is Vasovagal Syncope (a form of shock that can result in fainting)

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/24/2007 5:47:06 PM   
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I have been in shock twice in my life - the first time, when confronted with a kerosene blaze of significant size when a Colman lantern valve gave out and sprayed kerosene under pressure directly past a flame source.

The second, when exploring bush and creekland, I stepped on the end of some fishing tracer, the other end rusted and broken off to a fine point spun up into the air and penetrated the side of my thumb into the bone.

In the first, my heart beat was rapid, I felt clamy and cold, and suffered shaking.

In the second, I felt nausea, had a very slow but powerful heartbeat, light headed and dizzy, cold, red splotches encroaching on my vision to the point of almost completely obscuring it (that is to say, I nearnly blacked out).

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 10/24/2007 7:41:11 PM   
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quote:

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It is interesting to me that you mentioned this. I have been going back over my personal history and can recall three other times in my life when I felt the way I did during the scene. One involved a heavy blow to the sternum but the other two were when chatty doctors wanted to give me an adventure in anatomy as they described the procedures they were doing to my locally anesthetized body. The first doctor, a plastic surgeon was pointing out tendons and blood vessels on my hand that was being treated for third degree burns. The second was telling me how he was fishing the vasdeferens from the incision he had made in my scrotum when I had my vasectomy.


Heh, the incident that i mentioned was also regarding a vasectomy
Fortunately my wife drove me to and from the actual procedure, so a couple-three shots of vodka went a long way towards keeping me from passing out on the table

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 11/5/2007 3:20:38 PM   
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It is official. The trip to the cardiologist gave me the results that I thought they would.

The good news... My heart is fine. No abnormalities, and even an ultrasound of it showed that things were good. Based on my medical history and the fact that this has happened only rarely, the Cardiologist did not think a stress test was warranted.

The bad news... The cardiologist seemed to think that what I had was a vasovagal response to what was happening. I didn't go into details but merely stated that at the time I got dizzy and exhibited the other symptoms I was going through both phyiscal and emotional stress.

While this isn't life threatening and is simply the precurser to a faint, it is evidently the way my body processes pain. The Dominant Lady who was considering me has decided that she will look elsewhere for a submissive who is more of a pain slut than I evidently will ever be. I could see this coming since she began to distance herself from me during the time we were waiting to get the Cardio work-up done.

Looks like I'm back to square one and looking for a Dominant Lady. On the other hand, I'm a bit wiser about myself now than I had been so perhaps this is a good thing.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 11/5/2007 7:54:53 PM   
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There were lot of extra stressors there.
-You two hadn't played together before. 
-You didn't know how fast or far she would take you. 
-You were also in a public party, which can add to the how you will perform stressors.
-Anticipation can add to performance stressors.
-You were experiencing more intensity than you had before, which you didn't know how you would react to.

Too much stress usually leads to lower pain tolerance. In a hindsight I would be inclined to say that things where taken little too far little too fast.  I'm blaming neither of you, this is just a thing that can always happen and can be very difficult to avoid in a stressful environment.

You need to listen very carefully to your body.   Before your body "called" red you often get small yellow signs which you need to listen to.  It is very tempting to just keep going, to be able to take what is being done to you but if you don't listen to your own body you are making sure that you won't.
During every long scenes I have with my Mistress I need to give my her a sign when I need fluid or sugars, so that I can better take what she wants to do.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 11/5/2007 8:30:14 PM   
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 Zephyr46, I am so glad for the clean bill of health and i understand your sadness about your Mistress looking somewhere else. I think maybe that this is a good thing, you learned , you need to go alittle slower and build up to these new things. Its hard, I know, everytime my Master would tie my hands above my head after a few minutes i would get lightheaded, but he was willing to train me, take it slow and let my body and mind learn. Just learn relax and keep looking.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 11/7/2007 12:15:04 PM   
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This may seem like a flippant response, but your former "Mistress" did you a favor by looking elsewhere.  Anyone who believes that someone can be a "pain slut" their first time playing is just plain stupid.  And then to go ahead and do a very heavy scene, in public, introducing all kinds of new activities and sensations - at an extreme level of intensity is just plain asking for trouble and not in keeping with someone taking care of the power that has been transferred to them.  Granted I've never met her nor do I know anything other that what has been presented, but she sounds to me to just be a plain old sadist - not a SSC or RACK sadist.  Better that she dump you than for you to have to dump her when she pulls out a chain saw during scene #2 in order to inflict pain via limb removal.

As for the pain slut you may or may not ever be, consider this - how intelligent is it to judge the kind of runner someone can be if you have them compete in one marathon without training?  That isn't very different from your situation.  You had no "real" (to quote you) prior experience or training (yes, you have to train to take higher levels of pain) and the scene you described was on par with a marathon - very long and very intense.  Maybe with some more understanding of your limitations and some intelligent "training" (building up of intesity and proper warm-up), you can be the pain slut that you'd like to be.  As I said previously, my slave has a similar response from time to time and that hasn't prevented us from having scenes where quite frankly I have to stop because the intensity is too high - not too intense for her, but too intense for me and I'm a caring sadist.

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RE: A scene went wrong. My mind said "Green" ... - 11/11/2007 4:20:52 AM   
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zephyr46,
 
I haven't read the entire thread except up to you getting a clean bill of health.  I would tell you that I also am an intense player, and my first reaction to your earlier postings describing the first scene publicly w/ your Mistress was, that I would have worked you privately more before going to that level anywhere, and especially publicly.  I think it was just all too much for you and if you were played with a bit slower and privately you would work up to your expectations...and Hers.
 
I realized early on that in public scenes, if you aren't totally focused on your Mistress you worry about so many other things, then your energy is too defused to make a heavy scene work well.  It takes concentration. With time you both tune out everything and stay in the scene together.  The public situation adds it's own unique (not worse or better) tension, and it is best once a bit of practice is under the belt.  I'd get back on that horse with someone else that would give you the chance to work up to that intensity, understanding that you have had that past reaction and could handle you so as to stay ahead of you and bring it down when there are even any subtle signs of too much stress.  In time you'll be back to the painslut you so desire LOL.
 
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